I’ve consistently told the people I serve that when the culture lets the Sodomites out of the closet, the corresponding inevitability is that Christians will take their (the sodomites) former place in the closet. It is the Christian and their love for the Lord Christ that will be shunned in and by the public square. It was said of sodomy, once upon a time, that it was “the love that dare not speak its name.” Now, it is the love that won’t shut the hell up and the Biblical Christian’s love for the Lord Christ is the love that dare not speak its name.
When Robertson’s GQ statements hit the press yesterday I had a friend contact me saying that this might reverse the sodomite tide. I told him, “Robertson will be fired within days.” I should have said “hours.” My friend dissented, insisting that A & E would never fire because of much money they would lose. I just said, “wait and see.” I’m not a prophet. I don’t see into the future. It is merely a matter of knowing which way the cultural winds are blowing. When a social order embraces a worldview, money alone, will not be able to halt the progress of that (in this case — Sodomite) worldview.
A & E is only and their corporate base is only confirming that two antithetical worldviews can not co-exist unless one of them is willing to live as considered Taboo in the Public Square. So, now we are at the decided point where to speak publicly of our great Liege Lord, Christ, and His standard is now considered worthy of being publicly sanctioned. The sodomites now hold the whip hand and they are determined that they are not going back into the closet and that Christians will stay in the closet.
Unless Islam comes to play as a worldview social order contestant, the decided opposition of the social order will be for either Sodomites or for Christians. Never for both. The worldview war in favor of sodomy is a war against Biblical Christianity.
This reminds us that the whole “tolerance” thing that has been screamed for decades now was just a ruse. It is always so when worldview transitions among a people are taking place. Those who initially scream for tolerance and understanding (in this case the sodomites) don’t really wan’t tolerance long term. They merely plead for tolerance in order to give them time to marshal and build their momentum to the day when they can practice intolerance against their enemies. The plea for tolerance is the ploy of the minority who intends to one day become a majority which will shut down any opposition against them.
Do you and your children a favor. Put the sodomites back in the closet.
And I do agree with Phil Robertson. There is something seriously demented and twisted about a man who thinks that another man’s orifice — an orifice that produces excrement — is more alluring than a woman’s orifice that issues life.
Postscript – Keep in mind that R2K tells you that the Church must not speak on sodomy in the public square because that is not the Church’s job. If Phil Robertson were to attend a R2K church he would find no support from the R2K Ministers and Elders because there could be people in the congregation who opposed Phil Robertson and who do, themselves, see it as reasonable that in terms of public square legislation men might prefer other men’s anuses over women’s vaginas. R2K is all for pluralism. And of course R2K Churches would never want to weigh in on something so controversial as whether the public square should support anuses and vaginas each in their proper place.
Great article!
R2K has used Intrusion Ethics to dispensationalize a lot of behaviors that God considers righteous right out of the public square.
What do R2K preachers do when they work their way through Romans chapter 1? It is in the New Testament. Can’t use Intrusion Ethics on that.
Jerry,
I think they would apply it to their members lives but they would not tell their members they must oppose it in the public square in terms of public square legislation. See the Bordow and Horton quotes I just put in the comments. Also see this article,
http://americanvision.org/9836/incest-holy-gods-sight-westminster-west-grad-gets-consistent-r2k/#sthash.KYFjfLth.dpbs
Their insistence on public square pluralism requires them to not insist on public square policy.
Bret,
I’ve seen TUAD use Pastor Bordow’s statement effectively against R2K before. Pastor Bordow has defended that statement online since. But, Bordow is an Escondido grad. To encourage TUAD, he makes effective arguments. He should continue to make them.
DeMar sent out an email today encouraging the entire Robertson family to abandon the show hurt A&E where it counts to them. I hope I don’t see Phil apologizing
The quotes you provided were excellent. They make your point.
I’m sure that you know this, but, Muddy is a Hart sycophant. He hangs out at Oldlife
Finally, a statement from the Robertson’s
http://duckcommander.com/news/robertson-family-offical-statement
Jerry,
Now if we can only get DeMar and American Vision to stop supporting Republicans at every turn.
& to add one more thing
Public Square Pluralism is quite the 1st Commandment violation
Imagine being guilty of teaching this to those under you
Wow! My day, my week has totally been made by Jerry! I had no idea that someone remembered my arguments against R2ker Todd Bordrow. I am beyond delighted. Thank you Jerry.
No … I did NOT say R2K approves of homosexuality. I said they disapprove of any Elder or Minister speaking out against homosexuality in the Church. They would also disapprove of any Elder or Minister speaking out in favor of it.
Phil Robertson did what Christians heard as paraphrasing but the worldly took what was said as a personal attack & the lib media lied (or heard what it wanted to hear) & said he equated homosexuality to bestiality when he spoke merely of sin begetting more sin & listed some along with his own confession of sex, drugs & r0ck’n’r0ll.
What would have happened if he quoted a portion of 1st Cor 6 is that he couldn’t be accused of personally hating. He could have quoted the text & stated that he agrees with scripture. It would have helped lessen the expected reaction but at this point the so called suspension til further notice would have definitely been shouted thru the media as a threat from the rooftops.
-tkbk-
Muddy,
You’re not understanding. R2K will go against sodomy as it exists in its members in the Church. However, they won’t say from the pulpit that the Christians in their congregations should be opposed to sodomy in the public square. They don’t believe that is their role.
Here are some quotes,
Not being a theonomist or theocrat, I do not believe it is the state’s role to enforce religion or Christian morality. So allowing something legally is not the same as endorsing it morally. I don’t want the state punishing people for practicing homosexuality. Other Christians disagree. Fine. That’s allowed. That is the distinction. Another example – beastiality (sic) is a grotesque sin and obviously if a professing member engages in it he is subject to church discipline. But as one who leans libertarian in my politics, I would see problems with the state trying to enforce it; not wanting the state involved at all in such personal practices; I’m content to let the Lord judge it when he returns. A fellow church member might advocate for beastiality (sic) laws. Neither would be in sin whatever the side of the debate. Now if the lines are blurry in these disctinctions,(sic) that is always true in pastoral ministry dealing with real people in real cases in this fallen world.”
Rev. Todd Bordow — Reformed Minister
R2K Practitioner
“Although a contractual relationship denies God’s will for human dignity, I could affirm domestic partnerships as a way of protecting people’s legal and economic security.”
“The challenge there is that two Christians who hold the same beliefs about marriage as Christians may appeal to neighbor-love to support or to oppose legalization of same-sex marriage.”
Dr. Mike Horton — Reformed Theologian
R2K Practitioner
75 years ago no one who took Christian ethics seriously would have gotten anywhere near these kinds of statements.
Muddy,
With your most recent response you also obviously do not qualify as a member of the over 85 IQ point crowd.
Bret,
Also, Public Square Pluralism is quite the 1st Commandment violation. They never respond to this
God has judged many cultures for that. John the Baptist lost his head over it. The witness in our own country is one that as we move father from the Reformation the more ungodly we become. Interestingly, a point that Hart attempts to make in his book, Calvinism: A History, is that Pluralism, not Calvinism had to do the most with forming Western Culture. Methinks his R2K worldview guides his view of history. Even though he denys that he has a worldview. I have too many prof friends that disagree.
Hart is not the sharpest tool in the shed Jerry. To say he has no worldview proves it. What, does he think that he understands all with God like objectivity? Does he believe that his history is inspired? Does he really think that by the use of right reason and Natural law he can come to all truth? Hart practices historicism of the worst variety. It is the worst variety because he refuses to admit it to himself.
And of course Hart see’s pluralism everywhere. He is a child of the Enlightenment and so would find it everywhere.
Bravo!
Quite right Bret
Proclaiming that there are no worldviews is a worldview in and of itself
Kinda like Pilate proclaiming that there is no truth when he just made what he thought was a truthful statement
Bingo!
No Love
There is no love without His law
Highlighting our human flaw.
His holy law in full negation,
Proud within a Christian nation.
Exhorted from the church within
To closely guard ourselves from sin,
Distractions, false contrition,
Men are claiming God’s dominion.
Adversaries bold advancing,
On His law profanely dancing,
Daring us to speak His Word,
Shine the truth on the absurd.
Will we stand and bold declare
His Word belonging everywhere?
Accept our mission to the tare,
Or silently sit back and stare?
Bravo Jeffery
Here’s an encore titled “Pony rides”
Well aware man’s fallen state
Power brokers regulate
We the people animals
Within our propaganda stalls
Await the truth so rationed,
Reality re-fashioned
To stories for consumption,
To play on mainstream junction
Where we line up for pony rides
Missing six guns by our sides
Dawn we proud for all to see
Our deductions you and me
A costume hat and chaps
Spurless, empty gunny sacks
Riders on the soundstage storm
We their cartoons who perform
Within their dream full willingly
Acting out for all to see
Their lawlessness projected,
Victim groups on cue directed
Trotting round their laughing track
Quarters that we only lack
Ride predictably too short
Pony rides our last resort,
Pointing with our finger guns
Other riders come undone.
Should we dare say bang or pop?
Speech a crime we must pre-stop
Clever band of brothers
Who pen us off from one another
Thoughtless, motionless ourselves,
Action figures on their shelves.
TUAD,
You are welcome
When you make a cogent point you may get shouted down, but, others are watching
Your arguments are well reasoned
Hang in here and continue hanging in here studying Bret’s arguments
God bless you brother
Jerry
Also TUAD,
Pastor Bordow is not guilty of this, but, a common tactic at Oldlife is to misrepresent your argument and then knock it down. It is done by more than one person there.