Spurgeon vs. Spangler … McAtee Referees the Contest

“This (having a church uniquely for whites) is antithetical to the gospel and to the New Testament. And I’m not saying this out of a commitment to a post war consensus or a liberal world order. The Church is not built along racial or ethnic lines.”

Rev. Joseph Spurgeon
Protesting against Rev. Michael Spangler

Bret responds

First, lets quote Reformed theologian Dr. John Frame here,

“Scripture, as I read it, does not require societies, or even churches, to be integrated racially. Jews and Gentiles were brought together by God’s grace into one body. They were expected to love one another and to accept one another as brothers in the faith. But the Jewish Christians continued to maintain a distinct culture, and house churches were not required to include members of both groups.”

John Frame,
“Racism, Sexism, Marxism”

Clearly Rev. Joseph Spurgeon doesn’t know what he’s talking about on this subject. Spurgeon has swallowed the presuppositions of liberalism and doesn’t even realize it. Now, Spurgeon’s liberalism may not be as extreme as Eli McGowan’s but it is the same liberalism all the same.

Second, one wonders if Spurgeon laments Korean Churches, Hmong Churches, or Black Churches. Does JS lament the existence of those churches?

Next, we might ask, “why is it that in Revelation 21 we find the Church entering into the New Jerusalem nation by nation if it is the case, as Spurgeon states, ‘the church is not built along racial or ethnic lines?'”

Rev. Joseph Spurgeon undaunted presses on,

“Segregating the church by race was what the Apostle Paul rebuked Peter for. Friend, you have gone off the rails completely. I don’t remember this being your position just a few years ago in the Genevan Commons group.”

Bret responds,

This is another example proving Spurgeon is wanting in his thought process.

Galatians 2 was not about what Spurgeon says. Gal. 2 was Paul saying, “One doesn’t have to become a religio-cultural Jew in order to be Christian.” The demand of the Judaizers in Gal. 2 was that the Gentiles had to give up their ethnic identity and become ethnically and culturally Jewish. This is seen in the Judaizers demand that the Gentiles give up their own dietary delicacies in favor of yucky Jew food.

Gal. 2 proves Kinism since Paul was supporting the Gentiles remaining Gentiles by not insisting that the Gentiles had to give up their ethnic identity by embracing Jewish identity.

Spurgeon owes Spangler an apology.

Evidence that the Revolt Against the Managerial Class (in this Case, Clergy) is Beginning

Recent text from a high level white collar professional from the South who is an Elder in a PCA church,

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“While I’ve long held out hope, I now see the PCA as a lost cause. My sibling alerted me to the PCA report on Christian Nationalism and correctly described it as ‘Monstrous.’ I’m still working through the report in a detailed fashion and there’s so much objectionable there.

Our PCA Presbytery is very sound and will reject or ignore much of the report. When I was ordained as a RE I took no exceptions to the 1788 WCF because a clear reading of those changes, while somewhat regrettable, in no way provided confessional support for the present day anti-theonomy and anti-ethno nationalism now being rammed down our throats.

For the record, I WILL NOT take any exceptions and DO not agree that my beliefs are out of accord with the PCA constitutional documents.

Looking forward to more of your work on Iron Ink / Rhetoric.”

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If anyone doubts that the WCF is friendly to theonomy track down the booklet, “Theonomy and the Westminster Confession,” by Martin Foulner.

More on the PCA Report on Christian Nationalism …. and an Observation on the Politics of the PCA

Westminster Larger Catechism

Q. 108. What are the duties required in the second commandment?

A. The duties required in the second commandment are, the receiving, observing, and keeping pure and entire, all such religious worship and ordinances as God hath instituted in his Word;518 particularly prayer and thanksgiving in the name of Christ;519 the reading, preaching, and hearing of the Word;520 the administration and receiving of the sacraments;521 church government and discipline;522 the ministry and maintenance thereof;523 religious fasting;524 swearing by the name of God;525 and vowing unto him;526 AS ALSO THE DISAPPROVING, DETESTING, OPPOSING ALL FALSE WORSHIP; 527 AND, ACCORDING TO EACH ONE’S ONE PLACE AND CALLING REMOVING IT AND ALL MONUMENTS OF IDOLATRY.528

WCF 23.3 says the magistrate has a duty to:

“protect the person and good name of all their people” and that no person “be suffered, either upon pretense of religion or of infidelity, to offer in dignity, violence, abuse, or injury to any other person whatsoever… and to take order, but all religious and ecclesiastical assemblies be held without molestation or disturbance”

According to the #PCA CN report WCF 23-3, means that the magistrates “posture toward false religion…does not extend to… exclusion from public office.” p. 2709, line 22.

It is obvious that the PCA CN report’s interpretation of WCF 23.3 is contrary to the original intent, especially when read in light of WLC Q. 108, capitalized section above. Indeed, quite to the contrary of what the PCA CN report’s interpretation of WCF 23-3 is it is obvious that prohibiting public office to non-Christians would be a way the Christian magistrate obeys WLC 108. It seems rather obvious that a Christian people would not desire to be ruled by non-Christians and so would not allow for such an eventuality.

Now for the observation touching the political lay of the land in the PCA,

It seems the politics of the PCA right now finds the R2K “confessionalists” willing to get in bed with the Kellerite Lib-tards to the end of ridding themselves of the 2K (Wolfean) confessionalists and the rump theonomic confessionalists. Those who desire “Big Tent” Presbyterianism seem to hav the whip hand.

The results of this will be, if successful, the driving out of the 2K and theonomists but only at the price of giving the Kellerites the upper hand guaranteeing the eventual PCUSAing of the PCA. The PCA has already been on this trajectory and nothing that is happening at this General Assembly is promissory of that being altered.

The faithful that are now in the PCA will have to do what their Fathers did in 1973 when they departed the PCUS.

More of “PCA Study Committee was Staffed by Stupid People”

“We further deny the right of the Christian magistrate to engage in persecution, suppression, or the disenfranchisement of citizens on the basis of religion (see the language of WCF 23-3 quoted above).”

Partial Report of the PCA Ad-Interim Committee on Christian Nationalism

1.) Forbidding the Christian magistrate to engage in persecution suggests that it would be wrong for the Christian magistrate to visit consequences upon those who break laws against Mormons practicing polygamy, against Hindus practicing widow burning (Sati), against Muslims practicing honor killings of faithless daughters, against Dearborne Mich, Muslim magistrates for implementing and collecting the Jizya tax upon Christians in Dearborne.

2.) Forbidding the Christian magistrate from suppression would mean that the Christian magistrate could not send illegal immigrants back to their country of origin if they claimed religious exemption since that would definitely be a suppression.

“We affirm that in God’s providence, liberal political orders—of the kind that have shaped America—have secured genuine goods, including protections for religious liberty, limitations on arbitrary political power, recognition of human dignity, and the expansion of certain civil and political rights. Christians should not embrace reactionary alternatives that sacrifice justice, liberty, or charity.”

Partial Report of the PCA Ad-Interim Committee on Christian Nationalism

Yes, the protection of religious liberty has given us Mosques in Dearborne, Mich., incredible fraud in Somali Minneapolis, Roaming Holy Cattle in Frisco Texas, and United Nations citizenry in Lewiston-Auburn Me. to name only a few results of the protection of religious liberty.

Limitations on political power? Like covering up the Epstein files? Like committing to war without Congressional approval?

Recognition of human dignity? Like 1 million aborted babies every year since 1973?

Expansion of civil and political rights? Like the Marxist unconstitutional civil rights legislation?

These guy are wearing blinders.

“Nevertheless, we deny that the ordo amoris provides a warrant for the preferential treatment of one’s own ethnic group ahead of any other. We further deny the assumption that our natural preferences are the same a rightly ordered loves, or that race or ethnicity may, in any way, function as a moral norm directing or defining love for neighbor.”

Partial Report of the PCA Ad-Interim Committee on Christian Nationalism

1.) Translation – The ordo amoris is to be embraced except when we say it is not be embraced.

2.) Of course this is only true for White people. Everyone except white people can give preferential treatment to their own ethnic people group. This was proven by Irwyn Ince’s whole 2025 PCA GA where a dinner and fellowship gathering was advertised specifically for “Black worshipers.”

3.) The ordo amoris applies to Fathers providing for their family but it does not apply on a scale beyond that. If heads of household have extra money to help people the ordo amoris cannot be a tool used to decide who to help.

4.) I wonder how they square this with Paul’s love for his own people stated in Romans 9:1-3?

5.) That last sentence in bold type could only be written by egalitarians. The gist of it is that all peoples must be treated equally. We are not allowed, per the PCA, to prioritize our people group. At least whites aren’t allowed to do that.

This is all to valorize the replacement of white people. This is to the end of making sure that your natural in group always remains an out group.

Example of R2K Thinking in the Rank and File Clergy

“Should Pastors spend their time trying to develop a textbook level theory of Reformed political theory that better matches the context of the 16th-17th centuries, or should they disciple their people to live faithfully as exiles in our respective Babylons?”

Rev. Daniel F. Wells
PCA Sycophant

1.) This is amil eschatology. Note everyone is living in Babylon. There is no victory. It is Babylon always all the time.

2.) This is R2K theology. The whole “exile” language is a central theme in R2K surrender theology. The Gates of hell always prevail w/ R2K.

3.) Should Pastors learn their craft in learning to apply Christian theology to politics. R2K always says “NO.” This is because for R2K theology is completely cordoned off from politics, economic, family life, sociology, history, education, etc.

This man should NOT be in the pulpit, just as no R2K fanboy should be in the pulpit. The presence of R2K fanboys in the pulpit guarantees the death of the West since for R2K the world is not our home, we’re just a passing through.