Rev. Joseph Spurgeon Insistence That All Local Churches Must be Willing to be Polyglot – Part I

Rev. Joseph Spurgeon writes (Hereafter RJS)

“Michael Spangler (whose ordination was revoked by his former Presbyterian denomination) and his followers argue that the error of Peter in Galatians 2 was only about Judaizing and therefore has nothing to do with ethnicity. They argue that because the underlying heresy was justification by works, Paul’s rebuke has no application to modern attempts to divide Christians along racial or ethnic lines.

But this misses the point entirely.”

Bret responds,

1.) Note how RJS seeks to poison the well by going out of his way to mention that Spangler’s was ordination was revoked without also telling us that on this point Spangler’s denomination formed a Kangaroo court in order to revoke his ordination.

2.) We should remember here that Spurgeon is not only arguing against Spangler but he is arguing against long recognized reformed theologian Dr. John Frame who wrote,

“Scripture, as I read it, does not require societies, or even churches, to be integrated racially. Jews and Gentiles were brought together by God’s grace into one body. They were expected to love one another and to accept one another as brothers in the faith. But the Jewish Christians continued to maintain a distinct culture, and house churches were not required to include members of both groups.”

John Frame,
“Racism, Sexism, Marxism”

3.) That the Church may indeed be divided along ethnic lines is clearly taught in Scripture in Revelation 21,

22 But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine [l]in it, for the [m]glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. 24 And the nations [n]of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor [o]into it.

Here we see that it is the nations by nations that come into the new Jerusalem. The church is constituted as a nation of nations. One body… any member nations.

RJS writes,

No one denies that the Judaizers were teaching a false gospel. The question is how Peter participated in that error. Peter did not deny justification by faith with his mouth. Peter did not begin preaching salvation by circumcision. Peter’s sin was his conduct. He withdrew from Gentile believers and separated himself from them.

Why did Paul rebuke him so publicly?

Because Peter’s actions communicated something false about the nature of Christ’s church. His separation suggested that faith in Christ was not enough for full fellowship among God’s people. A dividing wall had been rebuilt where Christ had torn one down.

Bret responds,

Pretend that Peter and Paul had been eating with a bunch of converted Jews who were no longer trying to keep the ceremonial law in order to be justified, before the Judaizers arrived. Pretend that Peter pulled away when the Judaizers showed up and Paul spoke harshly to Peter for pulling away from the Jewish non ceremonial law table arrangements.  The issue for Paul was NOT ethnicity. Paul would have been just as upset with Peter if Peter had pulled away from eating with converted Jews  by the self righteous Judaizers. Spurgeon has misunderstood Galatians 2.

RJS,

In his article on race realism, Spangler spends much of his time defending propositions that are not actually in dispute. Churches are often homogeneous. Churches are often shaped by language, nation, culture, and providence.

Different peoples have different histories, customs, and strengths. None of that proves his point.

The issue is not whether churches are often homogeneous. The issue is whether race and ancestry may become a principle of ecclesiastical separation.

A church that happens to be predominantly one ethnicity is one thing. A church that is intentionally organized around ethnicity, and which directs otherwise qualified Christians elsewhere because of their race, is something very different.

Bret responds

Quoting from a source that wishes to remain anonymous,

What Spangler et al are pushing back against is NOT the occasional exception or visitor but what is tantamount to ethnic invasion and replacement attempting to seek legitimacy in local churches whose foremost duty is to its own people and their God-given covenants of blood and kin.

Once again, Spurgeon is engaging in categorical conflation. A right to the general church doesn’t mean a right to all individual chapters and iterations of said church. An ancillary situation brings this into greater clarity: a stranger may be invited to family worship but cannot demand admittance. National and ethnic considerations clearly intersect with church worship. A Japanese Christian could not simply fly to Germany and demand membership and voting rights in a German church. He could visit or become a non-voting member who submits himself to the local customs and habits but his foreign expression of being mediated by his racial and cultural identity make him incompatible with the duties and privileges of full membership.

RJS writes,

Spangler appeals repeatedly to prudence. He argues that separation may be justified by social tensions, cultural differences, immigration, national concerns, or the preservation of a people. But the Judaizers also had prudential arguments. They wanted peace between Jews and Gentiles. They wanted continuity with ancient customs. They wanted to avoid scandal among conservative Jews. They wanted to preserve a distinct people.
Paul did not deny that tensions existed. He did not deny that practical concerns were real. He asked a different question: Was Peter’s conduct in step with the truth of the gospel?

Bret responds,

This is an untrue observation on Spurgeon’s part.

The prudential reasons that Spangler has for distinct bodies of people never excludes the doctrine of Justification by faith alone from any of the distinct bodies that might form, whereas the putatively prudential reason the Judaizers had for distinct bodies was the denial and elimination of the doctrine of justification by faith alone. That can hardly be considered a valid prudential reason. Spurgeon error here is monumental.

I would also doubt that the Judaizers ever wanted peace with Christians, except on the terms of denying the faith. Nothing Spangler writes denies the faith.

RJS writes

That is still the question.

A nation may have concerns about preserving its culture, customs, language, and people. Families certainly have an interest in preserving their own heritage and lineage. But the church is not a nation, and it is not an ethnic association. The church is the assembly of those united to Christ by faith.

Bret responds

The church universal certainly is not a single nation but the church is a nation of nations. We see that throughout scripture. We have already mentioned the Revelation 21 passage earlier. Here we quote from NT theologian Martin Wyngaarden,

“More than a dozen excellent commentaries could be mentioned that all interpret Israel as thus inclusive of Jew and Gentile, in this verse, — the Gentile adherents thus being merged with the covenant people of Israel, though each nationality remains distinct.”

“For, though Israel is frequently called Jehovah’s People, the work of his hands, his inheritance, yet these three epithets severally are applied not only to Israel, but also to Assyria and to Egypt: “Blessed be Egypt, my people, and Assyria, the work of my hands, and Israel, mine inheritance.” 19:25.

Thus the highest description of Jehovah’s covenant people is applied to Egypt, — “my people,” — showing that the Gentiles will share the covenant blessings, not less than Israel. Yet the several nationalities are here kept distinct, even when Gentiles share, in the covenant blessing, on a level of equality with Israel. Egypt, Assyria, and Israel are not nationally merged. And the same principles, that nationalities are not obliterated, by membership in the covenant, applies, of course, also in the New Testament dispensation.”

Martin Wyngaarden
The Future of the Kingdom in Prophecy and Fulfillment: A Study of the Scope of “Spiritualization” in Scripture — pp. 101-102.

Spurgeon isn’t escaping this “nationing” of the church. Spurgeon merely desires each individual church to be able to be a polyglot national church.

The missing context to a whites’ only church, that RJS seems to miss is that it should be normative on a national scale that immigration is so vanishingly small that in a white country whites only is the default. The current social order of racial and ethnic leveling and forced integration is itself illegitimate and so forces white churches into making choices that they should not have to make in the first place.

RJS writes,

The New Testament recognizes nations, tribes, tongues, and peoples. It does not make ancestry a term of communion.

Bret responds,

Again, Spurgeon misses the point. The Church universal is a nation of nations but not all local churches must turn themselves into outposts of the United Nations.

We repeat what Frame offered earlier,

“Scripture, as I read it, does not require societies, or even churches, to be integrated racially. Jews and Gentiles were brought together by God’s grace into one body. They were expected to love one another and to accept one another as brothers in the faith. But the Jewish Christians continued to maintain a distinct culture, and house churches were not required to include members of both groups.”

John Frame,
“Racism, Sexism, Marxism”

Spurgeon vs. Spangler … McAtee Referees the Contest

“This (having a church uniquely for whites) is antithetical to the gospel and to the New Testament. And I’m not saying this out of a commitment to a post war consensus or a liberal world order. The Church is not built along racial or ethnic lines.”

Rev. Joseph Spurgeon
Protesting against Rev. Michael Spangler

Bret responds

First, lets quote Reformed theologian Dr. John Frame here,

“Scripture, as I read it, does not require societies, or even churches, to be integrated racially. Jews and Gentiles were brought together by God’s grace into one body. They were expected to love one another and to accept one another as brothers in the faith. But the Jewish Christians continued to maintain a distinct culture, and house churches were not required to include members of both groups.”

John Frame,
“Racism, Sexism, Marxism”

Clearly Rev. Joseph Spurgeon doesn’t know what he’s talking about on this subject. Spurgeon has swallowed the presuppositions of liberalism and doesn’t even realize it. Now, Spurgeon’s liberalism may not be as extreme as Eli McGowan’s but it is the same liberalism all the same.

Second, one wonders if Spurgeon laments Korean Churches, Hmong Churches, or Black Churches. Does JS lament the existence of those churches?

Next, we might ask, “why is it that in Revelation 21 we find the Church entering into the New Jerusalem nation by nation if it is the case, as Spurgeon states, ‘the church is not built along racial or ethnic lines?'”

Rev. Joseph Spurgeon undaunted presses on,

“Segregating the church by race was what the Apostle Paul rebuked Peter for. Friend, you have gone off the rails completely. I don’t remember this being your position just a few years ago in the Genevan Commons group.”

Bret responds,

This is another example proving Spurgeon is wanting in his thought process.

Galatians 2 was not about what Spurgeon says. Gal. 2 was Paul saying, “One doesn’t have to become a religio-cultural Jew in order to be Christian.” The demand of the Judaizers in Gal. 2 was that the Gentiles had to give up their ethnic identity and become ethnically and culturally Jewish. This is seen in the Judaizers demand that the Gentiles give up their own dietary delicacies in favor of yucky Jew food.

Gal. 2 proves Kinism since Paul was supporting the Gentiles remaining Gentiles by not insisting that the Gentiles had to give up their ethnic identity by embracing Jewish identity.

Spurgeon owes Spangler an apology.

More on the PCA Report on Christian Nationalism …. and an Observation on the Politics of the PCA

Westminster Larger Catechism

Q. 108. What are the duties required in the second commandment?

A. The duties required in the second commandment are, the receiving, observing, and keeping pure and entire, all such religious worship and ordinances as God hath instituted in his Word;518 particularly prayer and thanksgiving in the name of Christ;519 the reading, preaching, and hearing of the Word;520 the administration and receiving of the sacraments;521 church government and discipline;522 the ministry and maintenance thereof;523 religious fasting;524 swearing by the name of God;525 and vowing unto him;526 AS ALSO THE DISAPPROVING, DETESTING, OPPOSING ALL FALSE WORSHIP; 527 AND, ACCORDING TO EACH ONE’S ONE PLACE AND CALLING REMOVING IT AND ALL MONUMENTS OF IDOLATRY.528

WCF 23.3 says the magistrate has a duty to:

“protect the person and good name of all their people” and that no person “be suffered, either upon pretense of religion or of infidelity, to offer in dignity, violence, abuse, or injury to any other person whatsoever… and to take order, but all religious and ecclesiastical assemblies be held without molestation or disturbance”

According to the #PCA CN report WCF 23-3, means that the magistrates “posture toward false religion…does not extend to… exclusion from public office.” p. 2709, line 22.

It is obvious that the PCA CN report’s interpretation of WCF 23.3 is contrary to the original intent, especially when read in light of WLC Q. 108, capitalized section above. Indeed, quite to the contrary of what the PCA CN report’s interpretation of WCF 23-3 is it is obvious that prohibiting public office to non-Christians would be a way the Christian magistrate obeys WLC 108. It seems rather obvious that a Christian people would not desire to be ruled by non-Christians and so would not allow for such an eventuality.

Now for the observation touching the political lay of the land in the PCA,

It seems the politics of the PCA right now finds the R2K “confessionalists” willing to get in bed with the Kellerite Lib-tards to the end of ridding themselves of the 2K (Wolfean) confessionalists and the rump theonomic confessionalists. Those who desire “Big Tent” Presbyterianism seem to hav the whip hand.

The results of this will be, if successful, the driving out of the 2K and theonomists but only at the price of giving the Kellerites the upper hand guaranteeing the eventual PCUSAing of the PCA. The PCA has already been on this trajectory and nothing that is happening at this General Assembly is promissory of that being altered.

The faithful that are now in the PCA will have to do what their Fathers did in 1973 when they departed the PCUS.

More of “PCA Study Committee was Staffed by Stupid People”

“We further deny the right of the Christian magistrate to engage in persecution, suppression, or the disenfranchisement of citizens on the basis of religion (see the language of WCF 23-3 quoted above).”

Partial Report of the PCA Ad-Interim Committee on Christian Nationalism

1.) Forbidding the Christian magistrate to engage in persecution suggests that it would be wrong for the Christian magistrate to visit consequences upon those who break laws against Mormons practicing polygamy, against Hindus practicing widow burning (Sati), against Muslims practicing honor killings of faithless daughters, against Dearborne Mich, Muslim magistrates for implementing and collecting the Jizya tax upon Christians in Dearborne.

2.) Forbidding the Christian magistrate from suppression would mean that the Christian magistrate could not send illegal immigrants back to their country of origin if they claimed religious exemption since that would definitely be a suppression.

“We affirm that in God’s providence, liberal political orders—of the kind that have shaped America—have secured genuine goods, including protections for religious liberty, limitations on arbitrary political power, recognition of human dignity, and the expansion of certain civil and political rights. Christians should not embrace reactionary alternatives that sacrifice justice, liberty, or charity.”

Partial Report of the PCA Ad-Interim Committee on Christian Nationalism

Yes, the protection of religious liberty has given us Mosques in Dearborne, Mich., incredible fraud in Somali Minneapolis, Roaming Holy Cattle in Frisco Texas, and United Nations citizenry in Lewiston-Auburn Me. to name only a few results of the protection of religious liberty.

Limitations on political power? Like covering up the Epstein files? Like committing to war without Congressional approval?

Recognition of human dignity? Like 1 million aborted babies every year since 1973?

Expansion of civil and political rights? Like the Marxist unconstitutional civil rights legislation?

These guy are wearing blinders.

“Nevertheless, we deny that the ordo amoris provides a warrant for the preferential treatment of one’s own ethnic group ahead of any other. We further deny the assumption that our natural preferences are the same a rightly ordered loves, or that race or ethnicity may, in any way, function as a moral norm directing or defining love for neighbor.”

Partial Report of the PCA Ad-Interim Committee on Christian Nationalism

1.) Translation – The ordo amoris is to be embraced except when we say it is not be embraced.

2.) Of course this is only true for White people. Everyone except white people can give preferential treatment to their own ethnic people group. This was proven by Irwyn Ince’s whole 2025 PCA GA where a dinner and fellowship gathering was advertised specifically for “Black worshipers.”

3.) The ordo amoris applies to Fathers providing for their family but it does not apply on a scale beyond that. If heads of household have extra money to help people the ordo amoris cannot be a tool used to decide who to help.

4.) I wonder how they square this with Paul’s love for his own people stated in Romans 9:1-3?

5.) That last sentence in bold type could only be written by egalitarians. The gist of it is that all peoples must be treated equally. We are not allowed, per the PCA, to prioritize our people group. At least whites aren’t allowed to do that.

This is all to valorize the replacement of white people. This is to the end of making sure that your natural in group always remains an out group.

Example of R2K Thinking in the Rank and File Clergy

“Should Pastors spend their time trying to develop a textbook level theory of Reformed political theory that better matches the context of the 16th-17th centuries, or should they disciple their people to live faithfully as exiles in our respective Babylons?”

Rev. Daniel F. Wells
PCA Sycophant

1.) This is amil eschatology. Note everyone is living in Babylon. There is no victory. It is Babylon always all the time.

2.) This is R2K theology. The whole “exile” language is a central theme in R2K surrender theology. The Gates of hell always prevail w/ R2K.

3.) Should Pastors learn their craft in learning to apply Christian theology to politics. R2K always says “NO.” This is because for R2K theology is completely cordoned off from politics, economic, family life, sociology, history, education, etc.

This man should NOT be in the pulpit, just as no R2K fanboy should be in the pulpit. The presence of R2K fanboys in the pulpit guarantees the death of the West since for R2K the world is not our home, we’re just a passing through.