“I don’t want liberty for secularists because secularism is true — it isn’t. Secularism is an opium dream, complete with flashing eyes and floating hair. I want liberty for secularists because Jesus is Lord.”
Doug Wilson
Moscow’s Pope
We have a God-centered ground for making room for atheism….We believe this tolerance is rooted in the very nature of the gospel of Christ.
John Piper
The Desiring Goof
1.) Jesus is Lord therefore we should allow in the public square those who, when consistent, would kill those who say “Jesus is Lord?” Jesus is Lord therefore we should allow in the public square those who are doing all they can to extinguish the Lordship of Jesus Christ? We should advocate liberty for Christ haters because Jesus is Lord?
Keep in mind that when Wilson says “Jesus is Lord,” and then desires to a social order that allows for people to deny the Lordship of Jesus Christ Wilson is saying that “Jesus isn’t Lord.” How can Wilson claim he is postmillennial when he pursues a pluralistic social order where all the gods and there adherents are allowed into the public square? Do those who believe that Jesus is Lord champion, by way of policy, a social order where Lord Jesus is relegated to competing with the other Lords?
If Pope Doug I were consistent why couldn’t he just as easily say; ” “I don’t want liberty for satanists, Muslims, Talmudists, etc. because satanism, Islam, and Talmudism, etc. is true — it isn’t. Satanism, Islam, and Talmudism is an opium dream, complete with flashing eyes and floating hair. I want liberty for satanists, Muslims, and Talmudists because Jesus is Lord?”
Wilson’s words are ridiculous.
2.) Turning to Piper we just have to laugh. The tolerance of atheists is rooted in the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Remember this Gospel finds Jesus saying… “I am the way the truth and the life. No man cometh to the Father except through me?” Remember this Gospel finds Jesus saying, “He who does not gather with me, scatters.” There is no tolerance in the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the Desiring Goof blasphemes God when he suggest that the tolerance of atheists in a social order is rooted in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. How tolerant was Paul in Athens?
Both Wilson and Piper remain children of the Enlightenment. That is seen by their embrace of tolerance and false notions of liberty that include tolerance. What they are advocating doesn’t really allow for tolerance. Where is the tolerance for those Muslims who only want to see Allah served in the public square? Where is the tolerance for those Christians who only want to see the God of the Bible served in the public square? Now, it is possible that they would reply to this by saying, “Very well then. We want tolerance for all those who will accept tolerance but not for the intolerant.” However, at this point they have insisted that the one way tolerance must work is for their singular one way of allowing for every way except for those who desire just one way. Do you see the contradiction they are in? They and their tolerance in the end is just as intolerant as those who desire only the God of the Bible and His adherents to rule in and occupy the public square.
With these convictions Wilson and Piper really are working against the Kingdom of Jesus Christ.
I wonder if these two are really that naïvely brainwashed by modernism, OR, if they are covert trained & paid agents of Marxism just like their brother Tim Keller!! https://m.soundcloud.com/janetmefferdtoday/11-14-19-janet-mefferd-today
Exactly. They aren’t dumb dumbs in these matters. Certainly causes one to wonder