From The Mailbag … Conversation with Pentecostal Pastor Andy Shaver

To be honest with you Bret, there is no good fruit to come from the argument that will ensue if we continue this conversation. I used to enjoy apologetics in my early years in ministry. I have lost my taste for that and this invitation to pray was not intended to spark debate nor win in any argument anyway. I want to see the Kingdom of God come in our city. I will not convince you to ENCOUNTER Jesus in any way that you are not already expecting. And you will not convince me that what I EXPERIENCE is not valid. GREATER THEOLOGY IS NOT WHAT THE CHURCH NEEDS, what we need is Greater revelation of who Jesus is.

Blessings
Rev. Andy Shaver
Real Life Church
Charlotte Mich.
Dear Andy,
1.) You want a fuller revelation of Jesus but expect to have that fuller revelation apart from a greater understanding of our undoubted catholic Christian faith and the doctrines and theology that convey that fuller revelation? That is passing odd.

2.) I will be praying that your vision and understanding of the Kingdom of God will be kept at bay. You say you want the Kingdom of God to come to Charlotte and yet you want a Kingdom that is not theologically informed, or if theologically informed only barely theologically informed. That is a Kingdom that I am adamantly opposed to and so despite the fact that we are both Christian ministers I am fervently praying your work fails.

3.) In our discussion, I appealed to Scripture. You appealed to experience and encounter. You do realize that your appeal is classical liberal theology right? Barthian theologians have always emphasized existential encounters over theological precision.

4.) Honestly, I think I’m the only one with the different theology here. Inasmuch as y’all are coming together you express that you have unity in theology.

5.) You say you want a greater revelation of who Jesus is but how can you grasp that greater revelation of who Jesus is apart from theology? That’s like saying you want a greater understanding of chocolate chip cookies apart from chocolate chips. In brief, it is an idiotic thing to say.

6.) Andy, you are an absolute hindrance to the advance of the Kingdom of God with your anti-Christ theology. I will be praying that God rescues His sheep from your grasp.

7.) A man with an argument is never at the mercy of a man with an experience. I promise to pray for your repentance while I am praying for my repentance and while you are praying for “revival.”

Author: jetbrane

I am a Pastor of a small Church in Mid-Michigan who delights in my family, my congregation and my calling. I am postmillennial in my eschatology. Paedo-Calvinist Covenantal in my Christianity Reformed in my Soteriology Presuppositional in my apologetics Familialist in my family theology Agrarian in my regional community social order belief Christianity creates culture and so Christendom in my national social order belief Mythic-Poetic / Grammatical Historical in my Hermeneutic Pre-modern, Medieval, & Feudal before Enlightenment, modernity, & postmodern Reconstructionist / Theonomic in my Worldview One part paleo-conservative / one part micro Libertarian in my politics Systematic and Biblical theology need one another but Systematics has pride of place Some of my favorite authors, Augustine, Turretin, Calvin, Tolkien, Chesterton, Nock, Tozer, Dabney, Bavinck, Wodehouse, Rushdoony, Bahnsen, Schaeffer, C. Van Til, H. Van Til, G. H. Clark, C. Dawson, H. Berman, R. Nash, C. G. Singer, R. Kipling, G. North, J. Edwards, S. Foote, F. Hayek, O. Guiness, J. Witte, M. Rothbard, Clyde Wilson, Mencken, Lasch, Postman, Gatto, T. Boston, Thomas Brooks, Terry Brooks, C. Hodge, J. Calhoun, Llyod-Jones, T. Sowell, A. McClaren, M. Muggeridge, C. F. H. Henry, F. Swarz, M. Henry, G. Marten, P. Schaff, T. S. Elliott, K. Van Hoozer, K. Gentry, etc. My passion is to write in such a way that the Lord Christ might be pleased. It is my hope that people will be challenged to reconsider what are considered the givens of the current culture. Your biggest help to me dear reader will be to often remind me that God is Sovereign and that all that is, is because it pleases him.

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