Gottfried Insists that WOKEism Doesn’t Arise Out of Marxism … A Conversation Part IV

 

We have been seeing here that Paul Gottfried is just in error when he argues that Marx is not WOKE.

And frankly, no amount of egghead nuancing is going to save Gottfried from this error because as we have been seeing WOKE is Marx and there is nothing in WOKE that can’t be traced back to Marx in principle.

PG writes,

The end goal of wokeism is universal equality, which is to be brought about through a universal state. It opposes particularity, at least in the Western white world, and works to obliterate anything that is specifically Western.

Bret Responds,

And this also has been the goal of Marxism from jump.

1.) ”What will be the attitude of communism to existing nationalities?

The nationalities of the peoples associating themselves in accordance with the principle of community will be compelled to mingle with each other as a result of this association and hereby to dissolve themselves, just as the various estate and class distinctions must disappear through the abolition of their basis, private property.”

~ Frederick Engels in “The Principles of Communism”, 1847

2.) “The equality of races and nations is one of the most important elements of the moral strength and might of the Soviet state. Soviet anthropology develops the one correct concept, that all the races of mankind are biologically equal. The genuinely materialist conception of the origin of man and of races serves the struggle against racism, against all idealist, mystic conceptions of man, his past, present and future.”

—Mikhail Nesturkh, Soviet anthropologist, 1959
“The Origin of Man” (Moscow)Mikhail Nesturkh, Soviet anthropologist, 1959:

3.) “The aim of socialism is not only to abolish the present division of mankind into small states and end all national isolation; not only to bring the nations closer together but to merge them….”

Vladimir Lenin
The Rights of Nations to Self Determination — pg. 76

4.) “… Just as mankind can achieve the abolition of classes only by passing through the dictatorship of the proletariat, so mankind can achieve the inevitable merging of nations only by passing through the transition period of complete liberation of all oppressed nations, i.e., their right to secede. “

Vladimir Lenin 
The Rights of Nations to Self Determination 

5.) “Even the natural differences within species, like racial differences…, can and must be done away with historically.” 

6.) “Full-scale Communist construction constitutes a new stage in the development of national relations in the U.S.S.R., in which the nations will draw still closer together until complete unity is achieved…. However, the obliteration of national distinctions and especially of language distinctions is a considerably longer process than the obliteration of class distinctions.”

Nikita Khrushchev

Bret continues to respond to PG

So, in light of these quotes, how can Gottfried say that Marx was not WOKE? Marx is the father of WOKEism and WOKEism is the faithful child of Marx. Oh, sure, maybe WOKEism has a different hair style than its Father, and maybe it dresses slightly differently but underneath the cosmetics of WOKE is the leering ugliness of Karl Marx. Both WOKE and Marx are about having as their end goal universal equality brought about through a universal state. Both WOKE and Marx oppose particularity. Both WOKE and Marx work to obliterate anything that is specifically Western because both WOKE and Marx understood that that what was specifically Western was specifically Western because it was Christian and both WOKE and Marx intend to destroy Christianity.

PG writes,

Indeed, wokeism offers the example of a thoroughly unhinged left that Communist governments and parties, as well as the Cold War in the West, all kept in check. Wokeism privileges those with deviant sexual appetites, anti-Christian and antiwhite fixations, and repugnance for bourgeois institutions, groups whom the Communists quite properly kept from rising in their parties and governments. The Communists held generally traditional moral views even if they practiced tyranny.

Bret responds,

Note the implication here is that Communist government and parties were respectively conservative institutions when compared to the unhinged WOKE left. This is hilarious.  Tell the scores of millions slaughtered by Communist governments and parties that they were slaughtered by a comparatively rightist institution. Honestly, one could make the case that it is WOKE that is comparatively right when compared to Communist governments and institutions since WOKE has only queered the world as opposed to the torture and slaughter that Marxism brought.

Secondly, however it is just not true that Marxism kept deviant sexual appetites in check as seen in the encouragement found in the Soviet Government for the loosening of morals between men and women so that adultery and illegitimate birth rates sky-rocketed with the initial burst of Marxist pride in Russia. (See previous reference to the work of Alexandra Kollontai). The only difference between WOKE and Marxist sexual deviance is that WOKE has just followed through with the Marxist sexual deviancy principles taking those principles to their logical conclusions.

Finally, this statement of PG must be the worst and most laughable sentence of the whole ridiculous piece;

“The Communists held generally traditional moral views even if they practiced tyranny.”

This is like saying that Madonna held generally traditional moral views even is she was an accomplished whore. It’s like saying that Timothy Leary held generally traditional moral views even if he dropped more acid than a classroom of clumsy freshmen in a Chemistry 101 class. It’s like saying that Satan held generally traditional moral views even if his goal was to overturn all traditional moral views.

How anyone can connect the idea of Communists and the idea of traditional moral views while conceding “even if they practiced tyranny” has to be one of the greatest gaslighting sentences written in the history of all mankind regardless of epoch, culture, or race.

PG writes,

Unfortunately, the post-war conservative movement became so obsessed with “fighting Communism” that it failed to notice the far more dangerous enemy gathering its forces domestically. And by the end phase of the Cold War in the 1980s, neoconservatives were frequently making the charge that Communist regimes discriminated against homosexuals. This charge was perfectly true because in comparison to leftward-drifting Western countries, Communist governments were, in some sense, more socially conservative.

Bret responds,

Here we find another knee-slapper. The post-war conservative movement fighting communism? Well, maybe with Sen. McCarthy but not so much after McCarthy’s diminishment and certainly not at all by the end phase of the Cold War. With the move of the Cultural Marxists into the America (Columbia University) with their fleeing of Germany upon the German pursuit of the Frankfurt school America embraced nascent WOKEism.

And as the neo-conservatives that PG complains about where themselves Marxists of the Trotskyite stripe it is not a wonder that the Marxist neo-con Trotskyites were complaining about their more staid classical Marxist brethren about the Communists discriminating against sodomites.

If Paul Gottfried wants to assert that Classical Marxism in comparison to Trotskyite Marxism is more socially conservative then so be it. However, I still find that to be a case where the sixth level of hell is being compared to the seventh level of hell and then concluding that the sixth level of hell is much more comfortable.