“Dude, You Just Went Full Retard.”
Character Kirk Lazarus
2008 comedy film Tropic Thunder
I have somehow entered an alternate universe as discovered by Dr. Stephen Strange when exploring the multiverse. In this universe there is absolutely no correlation between the usage of language and logic. Almost anything can be said that leaves the inhabitants of this alternate universe completely unphased. It’s like they all speak a different language each having their own decoder headset.
Below is a conversation I stumbled across between Rev. Andrew Torba and Rev. Toby Sumpter. Torba is a good man fighting on the side of the angels. Sumpter is an idiot as seen in this exchange below.
I am told that Sumpter is something of Doug Wilson’s right hand man these days. I have to wonder if when Doug sees exchanges like this if he doesn’t go all “double face palm.” Does Doug experience “cringe” at conversations like what we find below? Does Doug start looking around to see if Stephen Sittler or Alfred E. Newman (he of MAD MAGAZINE fame) might be able to replace Sumpter?
This is sooooooooo bad.
Rev. Andrew Torba writes;
“God created different ethnic groups. To preserve them is to preserve God’s creation and is therefore an inherent good.”
Bret interjects;
Now before we turn to Rev. Sumpter’s response to Rev. Torba let us take just a second to realize that what Rev. Torba has said above has been the position of the church for 2000 years. This is clearly and unequivocally proven by Achord and Dow’s anthology; “Who is my Neighbor; An Anthology of Natural Relations.” (Have I mentioned lately that to date nobody has refuted this book and only one CREC clergy nincompoop has even tried and what a goulash he made of that attempt.
Anyway, after Rev. Torba made that comment above Rev. Toby Sumpter weighed in and I think this response deserves as wide as publication as possible. Sumpter replied;
“At best this is half-baked primitivism, and at worst it’s a form of incestuous Judaizing and radically misunderstands the Cultural Mandate and Great Commission.
This is like saying God created different kinds of food. To preserve them in their original state is to preserve God’s creation & therefore an inherent good.
So wine and cheese and tacos are out y’all. Also, no mining, no fossil fuels, no building anything, no medicine — no changing or mixing anything that God made. Leave it raw and untouched just like it was when God said it was good. No fruitful dominion for you.
Despite the idolatry of statist multiculturalism, Christians must do better.”
Just when I think I’ve found the bottom of CREC stupidity, Toby Sumpter steps up to the plate to tell me that I believe that Cheese, Wine, and Tacos must be out of bounds because I am a Kinist.
1.) Maintaining and preserving ethnic distinctions is incestuous Judaism?
Well, I guess Rev. Sumpter must conclude that St. Cyprian was guilty of incestuous Judaism;
“If it is a source of joy and glory to men to have children like unto themselves — and it is more agreeable to have begotten an offspring then when the remaining progeny responds to the parent with like lineaments — how much greater is the gladness of God the Father, when any one is so spiritually born that in his acts and praises the divine eminence of race [genus] is announced!”
Dow and Achord note about this quote, “Cyprian’s argument presupposes that it is proper and fitting for men to take such joy, and hence that it is improper and unfitting for men to neglect the value of lineal similitude or, worse, to positively value dissimilitude.”
And according to Rev. Sumpter, St. Augustine is a practitioner of incestuous Judaism;
“Difference of race or condition of sex is indeed taken away by the unity of the faith, but it remains imbedded in our mortal interactions, and in the journey of this life the apostles themselves teach that it is to be respected and they even proposed living in accord with the racial differences between Jews and Greeks as a wholesome rule.”
St. Augustine
Epistle to Galatians (3:28-29)
And Aquinas guilty of incestuous Judaism?
“God holds first place, for He is supremely excellent, and is for us the first principle of being and government. In the second place, the principles of our being and government are our parents and country, that have given us birth and nourishment. Consequently, man is debtor chiefly to his parents and country, after God. Wherefore, just as it belongs to religion to give worship to one’s parents and one’s country [i.e. — one’s people]. The worship due to our parents includes the worship given to all our kindred, since our kinfolk are those who descend from the same parents.”
Summa Theologica
Vol. III, Part II, Second Section
John Calvin guilty of incestuous Judaizing?
You betcha;
“Delightful to every one is his native soil, and it is also delightful to dwell among one’s own people… all his relatives and the nation from which he sprang.”
Commentary on Jeremiah 9:2
Puritan Thomas Wilson? Yep… he was a incestuous Judaizer;
“What do ye call natural affections?
Such as be among them of one blood and kindred, as between parents and children, husbands and wives, kindred, country, heathens, yea Christians also voice of these.
How does it differ from human and Christian affection?
Human affection is that whereby we embrace all men; natural affection is that where by we embrace them which are nearer unto us by blood; Christian affection is that whereby we love good men because they belong to Christ.”
A Commentary on the Most Divine Epistle of St. Paul to the Romans
3rd Edition. 1653, Chapter 1, page 54
I have pages and pages of quotes like this. I can demonstrate that per Toby Sumpter that the following men were guilty of incestuous Judaism.
Edwards
Winthrop
Althusius
Knox
By crackey, it would be easier to tell you who in church history has not been an incestuous Judaizer. At best this accusation is ignorant on stilts. At worse Sumpter was born with a birth defect in his ability to reason. You decide for yourself.
Let’s round off with one of my favorite from A. W. Tozer;
“You can’t change my mind about God having made us the way we are. The yellow man and the white man and the black man. God made our races. I know the Marxists and the bubbleheads say: “Oh, that’s old-fashioned baloney! Everybody should get together and intermarry and pretty soon there won’t be races, and where there are no races there won’t be any hate, and if there’s no hate, there won’t be any war.” Oh, for cotton batting to stuff in the mouths of people who don’t know better than that!
Many of you have taken a good look at history. Did you happen to notice that since the beginning of the world there never has been worse hatred between nations than today, and that hatred rarely crosses the color line? It is within the race itself.
The presence of specific races is not the source of our trouble-it is the disease of sin within our own hearts. Twice within twenty-five years the white Germans tried to kill and destroy the white Englishmen. Occasionally there are flare-ups between races, but mostly it is within races.
Now, you get a Communist or a starry-eyed American fellow traveler working on that, and he will say: “That’s an evidence of race hate, and it’s a proof those warblers hate each other!” Hate each other – your grandmother’s nightcap! They don’t quarrel, they never fight, they just go on living and warbling. They’ve got sense enough to know that God made 120 kinds of warblers just for fun to show what He could do, and He doesn’t mean for them to cross over and make one warbler out of 120!
I think it is a most amazing thing in our day that the godless who have sowed the seed of discontent among the nations try to tell us that racial lines are artificial and an evidence of “wickedness” – and they don’t even believe in the Word and won’t allow it to be used in any other way!”
What else can we conclude but that Rev. Toby Sumpter and his ideologically inbred CREC mates are just historical aberrations? Listening to these men is like discovering an island where everybody has a third eye. The inhabitants all think it is quite normal but the sane know better.
Next our brilliant Sumpter steps up to the mic and tells us that Rev. Torba radically misunderstands the Great Commission and the Cultural Mandate. Indeed his brilliance is so effulgent I can barely read his words for the brightness of their glory;
Here we go again…
Did N.T. scholar Martin Wyngaarden misunderstand the Great Commission and the Cultural Mandate when he offered:
“More than a dozen excellent commentaries could be mentioned that all interpret Israel as thus inclusive of Jew and Gentile, in this verse, — the Gentile adherents thus being merged with the covenant people of Israel, though each nationality remains distinct.”
“For, though Israel is frequently called Jehovah’s People, the work of his hands, his inheritance, yet these three epithets severally are applied not only to Israel, but also to Assyria and to Egypt: “Blessed be Egypt, my people, and Assyria, the work of my hands, and Israel, mine inheritance.” 19:25.
Thus the highest description of Jehovah’s covenant people is applied to Egypt, — “my people,” — showing that the Gentiles will share the covenant blessings, not less than Israel. Yet the several nationalities are here kept distinct, even when Gentiles share, in the covenant blessing, on a level of equality with Israel. Egypt, Assyria, and Israel are not nationally merged. And the same principles, that nationalities are not obliterated, by membership in the covenant, applies, of course, also in the New Testament dispensation.”
Martin Wyngaarden
The Future of the Kingdom in Prophecy and Fulfillment: A Study of the Scope of “Spiritualization” in Scripture — pp. 101-102.
How about Dr. Geerhardus Vos? Did he also misunderstand the Great Commission and the Cultural Mandate?
“Nationalism, within proper limits, has the divine sanction; an imperialism that would, in the interest of one people, obliterate all lines of distinction is everywhere condemned as contrary to the divine will. Later prophecy raises its voice against the attempt at world-power, and that not only, as is sometimes assumed, because it threatens Israel, but for the far more principal reason, that the whole idea is pagan and immoral.
Now it is through maintaining the national diversities, as these express themselves in the difference of language, and are in turn upheld by this difference, that God prevents realization of the attempted scheme… [In this] was a positive intent that concerned the natural life of humanity. Under the providence of God each race or nation has a positive purpose to serve, fulfillment of which depends on relative seclusion from others.”
-Geerhardus Vos,
Biblical Theology
Again, in the words of Captain Steve Rogers, “I can do this all day.”
Next the genius Sumpter comes up with analogy;
“This is like saying God created different kinds of food. To preserve them in their original state is to preserve God’s creation & therefore an inherent good.”
We will pick that up in part II.
