Note — Torba is NOT a Pastor. I confused him w/ his right hand man, Rev. Andrew Isker.
So the Christian doctrine of nationality is diametrically opposed to that of Marxism. Nations are a necessary product of man’s creation, not his alienation; Christ’s atonement principally heals the nations;143 and eschatologically the nations will preserve their nationality unto all eternity, and not lose it in a colorless communist utopia.
If you remember in Part I we started analyzing this exchange between a high profile Pastor in the CREC, one Rev. Toby Sumpter, and Rev. Andrew Torba.
You may also remember that this exchange finds me as exacerbated as one can possibly imagine. I am gnawing down my fingers in an act of discipline to keep me from writing what I really think about Sumpter’s a-historical, unbiblical, and yes even asinine “reasoning.”
Honestly, I hope these birds like Sumpter and Fakin’ Owen Strachan keep getting out on these limbs because I am going to take maniacal delight in sawing off every branch upon which these stool pigeons, dodo birds, and crows are perched.
Anyway, as you recall the conversation between Torba and Sumpter went like this;
Rev. Andrew Torba wrote;
“God created different ethnic groups. To preserve them is to preserve God’s creation and is therefore an inherent good.”
Rev. Sumpter responded;
“At best this is half-baked primitivism, and at worst it’s a form of incestuous Judaizing and radically misunderstands the Cultural Mandate and Great Commission.
This is like saying God created different kinds of food. To preserve them in their original state is to preserve God’s creation & therefore an inherent good.
So wine and cheese and tacos are out y’all. Also, no mining, no fossil fuels, no building anything, no medicine — no changing or mixing anything that God made. Leave it raw and untouched just like it was when God said it was good. No fruitful dominion for you.
Despite the idolatry of statist multiculturalism, Christians must do better.”
And now we begin Part II with the second full paragraph dropping from the pen of the genius Rev. Sumpter;
1.) First, there in this matter the consideration of Scripture;
“Do not plant two kinds of seed in your vineyard; if you do, not only the crops you plant but also the fruit of the vineyard will be defiled. Do not plow with an ox and a donkey yoked together. Do not wear clothes of wool and linen woven together.”
Dt. 22:9-11
“You shall keep my statutes. You shall not let your cattle breed with a different kind. You shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor shall you wear a garment of cloth made of two kinds of material.
Leviticus 19:19
Now my point in citing this passage is not to suggest that it proves that the bible forbids cheese, wine and tacos. I cite the passage to demonstrates that God did have an opinion about adulterating, mixing and hybridizing. The point of these passages seems to be that God desired purity among His people and so there is to be no mixture between things that did not belong together. We note this because in the Deut. passage the broader context teaches that God’s people were not to blend what was to stay separate.
Now, I would list these laws as being among the ceremonial laws that were fulfilled with the coming of Christ and so no longer in force. However, I do hold that the commandment given to men themselves not to adulterate (7th Word) remains in force. God’s people are told that they are not to adulterate and to adulterate something is to diminish the purity of that something. Inter-racial marriage is an adulteration of both husband and wife and so when Rev. Torba advocates that ethnic groups be preserved he is giving counsel that is in keeping with the 7th commandment.
2.) Why Rev. Sumpter chose wine, cheese, and tacos is beyond me. It is obviously a non-sequitur. I mean maybe tacos fit since one has to mix lettuce, tomatoes, cheese, sour cream, olives, and hamburger to come up with a taco. If that is where Rev. Sumpter was going, do I have to really spend any time refuting his comparison of apples with lug nuts? Even with tacos though the lettuce remains lettuce and the tomatoes remain tomatoes…etc. When races are mixed nothing remains what it was prior to the adulteration.
3.) However, I’ll make a deal with Rev. Sumpter. If old Toby will give up advocating race-mixing I’ll give up cheese, wine and tacos. What do you say Tobe? Is it a deal?
(Since people in the CREC are demonstrating lately that they have no sense of humor allow me to say on #3 that I am joking. I will never give up wine, cheese, and tacos.)
4.) That Scripture and reason teach that race/ethnicities should be preserved it does not mean that peanut butter and chocolate cannot be mixed or that it is a sin to have a PB&J sandwich. Old Toby’s attempt at a reductio ad absurdum here was, shall we say, absurd? I mean by Toby’s reasoning because God forbids adulterating therefore married men and women should not be intimate because that requires a unholy mixing.
5.) Finally Old Toby insists that Christians must do better than Rev. Torba’s statement.
And here I am still waiting for someone to do better because Old Toby sure didn’t rise to the occasion.
Methinks there is a good bit of hamburger and cheese between the ears of one Toby Stumped-er.
“The point of these passages seems to be that God desired purity among His people and so there is to be no mixture between things that did not belong together. We note this because in the Deut. passage the broader context teaches that God’s people were not to blend what was to stay separate.”
– and, of course, this comment will outrage the Churchians of this “progressive” age – no matter that it is true, or more probably especially because it is true!
These illiterate liberal “Christians” will latch on to the undoubted truth that Christ has fulfilled the ceremonial law – but to them the ceremonial law means any Christian principle that offends against liberalism.
Well, instead of interpreting Scripture by liberalism, for a change they should try interpreting Scripture by Scripture. And with this Deuteronomy passage (Dt. 22: 9-11) it is very clear because we can go straight to St. Paul in 1 Corinthians 9: 7-10. Here Paul applies another Deuteronomy law to modern Christian life. He explains Dt. 25:4 – (from the same section of Deuteronomy, i.e. chapter 21: 22 to the end of chapter 26, headed Various Laws in the NIV).
Dt. 25: 4 “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.” And Paul explains it thus:
“7 Who serves as a soldier at his own expense? Who plants a vineyard and does not eat of its grapes? Who tends a flock and does not drink of the milk? 8 Do I say this merely from a human point of view? Doesn’t the Law say the same thing? 9 For it is written in the law of Moses: “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.” Is it about oxen that God is concerned? 10 Surely he says this for us doesn’t he? Yes this was written for us, because when the ploughman ploughs and the thresher threshes, they ought to do so in the hope of sharing the harvest.”
So following Paul’s Holy Spirit inspired method of exegesis we can say of Dt. 22: 9-11 : is it about crops, or grapes, or animals, or woven materials that God is concerned? Surely he say’s this for us doesn’t he? Yes this was written for us, because when men and women marry, they ought always to honour their God-ordained racial heritage, and seek to pass it on – unadulterated – to their posterity.
A bit off-topic, I learned about the Cross Politic podcast a year, or two, ago. I liked it for a month or so, and especially Toby. First, Chocolate Knox started irritating me, he seemed unable to talk intelligently about topics, and then I realized it was too much chuckling and laughing, as if positivity was an idol. I haven’t listened since, but remember fondly Toby’s ability to speak with candor about perverts, commies, and squishes.
However, reading that an entertainment host misses the mark on Kinism isn’t surprising. That’s not meant as an insult, I am glad he mocks idols effectively. Just reflections upon reading about Toby.