Doug Wilson – “What is happening with a lot on what I call on the ‘Dank Right’ these days is – which is an over-reaction to the egalitarianism and the globalization / homogenization of all ethnicity on the one hand, people have reacted the other way but what they’re doing is talking about ethnicity all the time like this is the only thing. But the Bible is much more wise than that. Jesus says you can’t be His disciple unless you hate Father, Mother, Wife, Brother, Sister. You’ve got to hate them. Now Matthew says ‘love more than me,’ so that tells you what’s going on there.”
Joe Boot – “There’s also the incident where Jesus is teaching and He’s barely had time to eat and – I love it, I think it’s there in Luke or is it Mark 4, somewhere in there, where they think Jesus has lost His mind and they’re final solution is ‘tell His Mom.’ finally His Mom and Brothers show up and they (the crowd) says ‘Your Mother and Brothers are calling you,’ and He says ‘my Mother, my Sister, my Brother are those who do the will of God.’ That whole idea of the only totalizing concept that the Bible recognizes is that relativizes all other loves is the Kingdom of God.”
Doug Wilson – “And you see , for example, hate Father, Mother, but if you surrender and die – basically if you mortify your earthly loves that way the resurrected, such that a man can love his wife as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for it or Jesus who said ‘Who is my Mother,’ is very solicitous for her from the cross … so it is not like we hate earthly loves. I am very grateful for my earthly loves but the Bible is very clear that only God’s requirements are total and if your beloved tries to entice you to idolatry in the OT, you have not pity. You have to say absolutely not.”
Joe Boot interviews Doug Wilson
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“Ordo Amoris & the Gospel’s Answer to Ethnic Animosity.”
Bret responds,
1.) First, let us note that making an idol of your family, tribe, clan, nation or race is possible. Familioltry is a thing. However, can we honestly look at the current incarnation of the West and conclude that famililoltry is a problem? I mean, sure, I am confident that there may be some people out there among the pagan right who are making idols of their family, but let’s be honest and admit that we do not have a widespread problem in the Church today of people making an idol out of their family. On the other hand, to those like Doug Wilson and Joe Boot who seem to be brain dead that there is a very real agenda to snuff out the white man (replacement theory) there is instead the problem of not dealing effectively with the problem of egalitarianism. Like the Israel leadership of old Doug and Joe want to treat the problem of egalitarianism too lightly. The West is clearly in a house that is burning down around us in the flames of egalitarianism and the Boomer-cons want to go on a diatribe about the dangers of familoltry? Do these chaps know what time it is? Do they realize that total percentage of white people to non-white people has dropped precipitously in the past 50 years? Do they realize that globalism and the migration habits of the third world into Western countries is not an accident? Do they understand that by the definition of “genocide” as stated by the UN that white people are currently being genocided? These two Boomers complaining about the presence of familoltry in our current climate is like someone pointing out that a teenager has a zit all the while missing the fact that his leg has been shorn off.
2.) Doug, as a proponent of the effeminate soft left, argues that we on the “Dank Right” have overreacted. Well, that does tend to happen when genocide for white people is on the menu “effeminate Doug.” Sure, some people have probably over-reacted but, again, I would strenuously contend that people like Wilson and Boot (and White and Sandlin and Durbin etc.) are massively under-reacting. They are sleeping while Rome burns. One only has to know somewhat of the history of Rhodesia and South Africa to see where all this is headed across the West. Yet, here we find Joe and Doug screaming … “All is well; Don’t over-react.” Honestly, this lack of urgency by Joe and Doug looks all the world like C. S. Lewis’ Green Witch, in the novel “The Silver Chair” doing all they can to put the awakening Prince back to sleep so he won’t fight against his danger. Who died and left you King, Doug, to decide when complaining about wickedness becomes too much complaining?
3.) Doug then complains that people are talking too much about globalization, and homogenization. This is like complaining that a prisoner on the torture rack is complaining too much about the pain of the torture. Of course we are complaining a great deal Doug. After all, torture doesn’t feel good.
Also, on this score who says when complaining about being vanquished becomes too much complaining? Let’s keep in mind that the egalitarian New World Order is in the saddle and holds the whip hand. Wouldn’t you expect the ones who are being whipped to be complaining a great deal? If we want to throw off the New World Order we have to spend time complaining about the fact that is Satanic and against God’s social order.
4.) I’m sure that the Bible is much wiser than all of us … including you Doug. That’s kind of a Captain Obvious statement.
5.) Keep in mind Doug that when Jesus says that we have to hate our family in comparison to loving the Lord Jesus Christ that kind of language doesn’t work unless there was (is) the expectation that we would indeed love our family. Jesus takes the idea that would be most central in people’s minds (the naturalness of loving one’s family) and says “Love for the Lord Christ must be even above that.” So, Jesus, takes the most central love in creation and puts it in its place; second to love for the Lord Christ. We might say, in light of this teaching, that Jesus is saying Love God first and then love your family. No one on my side of the fence disagrees with this Doug. Nobody on my side of the fence is arguing that we must love our family above God. What we are arguing is that we must love our family above loving the Stranger and the Alien. This is the 5th commandment. This is I Timothy 5:8.
6.) Turning to Boot’s brilliance, we once again offer that we quite agree that love for God relativizes all other loves. However, that does not mean that love for God eliminates the Ordo Amoris. There will be times when love for those who are not family who do the will of God will trump love for family who does not do the will of God. Nobody denies that on my side of the fence. We are merely arguing that normatively we have a responsibility to our Mothers before other women not our Mothers… just as Jesus demonstrated on the Cross.
7.) When you compare the first paragraph from Doug with the last paragraph from Doug it is clear this chap is involved in classic “Double-speak.” He, as he so often does, wants it both ways. He is, once again, fence straddling. Clearly, when any of my family is trying to entice me to idolatry I am going to tell them to “hit the road.” Really, this looks a great deal like a straw-man argument on Wilson’s part.
Now, look, Doug Wilson complains about how much his opponents are talking about race but I could fill a small library with how much this man keeps returning to the race issue in order to gate-keep against the non-egalitarians. In point of fact, I would say that he and his groupies are the ones who can’t shut up about the subject in their attempt to foist a kinder and gentler egalitarianism on us.
