Joshua;
I hear your point about secular. I do not understand it to mean neutral.
Happy to replace secular with anti-Christian. Are antichristian governments incapable of providing something good?
Bret responds,
As we start here would you mind telling me how old you are? Are you a school teacher yourself? Did you (do you) send your children to government schools?
As to your query … Yes, they are capable.
Now, let’s talk about degrees of anti-Christ. What degree of anti-Christ are we currently at in our government schools?
If, we as a people, were only a wee bit removed from Christian education one might argue that one could navigate around the problems. However, if you will do the reading of numerous books I recommended in the last post you would see that it’s not just that we are off a wee bit. The whole agenda is educate in such a way as to create non-thinking clones. It’s all about command and control. If I want children to be free to think as mature adults I will not want them to attend government schools. Indeed, I am of the conviction that to do so is child abuse.
Joshua writes,
This is where your reasoning is taking you. All schools are religious. If they are not Christian they are antichristian. Therefore they do nothing but harm.
Bret responds,
If I threw children in a pond w/ crocodiles some of them might learn how to swim really well. Throwing them all in the pond would therefore not necessarily do “nothing but harm.” But would it be wise therefore to throw them into a pond with crocodiles because some good might possibly come?
You’re argument here is “let us sin that grace may increase.” Because some good might happen let us ignore the 1st commandment and have our children catechized into a false religion.
Joshua writes,
Cue the anabaptists: all governments are antichristian. They can only do harm. Christians should have nothing to do with them.
Bret responds,
Cue the 1st commandment. “Thou Shalt Have No Other Gods Before Me.” Current secondary education catechizes children into a false religion and makes them servants of false gods. As such Biblical Christian in this climate should have nothing to do with them unless they want to destroy God’s covenant seed.
Do you really think that God would’ve had the Children of Israel attend the schools of Canaan in order to learn the Canaanite ways?
Finally, virtually all Christian do have something to do with government schools. They support them with their taxes.
Joshua writes,
But if antichristian governments are still a legitimate institution of God, then they can provide things of real benefit to everyone, Christians included.
Bret responds,
Yep … just like Stalin and Mao provided things of real benefit to everyone, Christian included.
Joshua writes,
The Church has benefited from inventions of the Cainites, Moses and Israel from the learning of the Egyptians, the apostolic church (at times) from the law and order of the Romans.
Bret responds,
Sure… we should plunder the Egyptians because it is all ours to begin with. But as we are plundering them and taking back what was our to begin with we should not become Egyptians.
However, currently Christians don’t have to attend the Baphomet Elementary school in order to access education. Have you heard of this thing called “the information age?” Never have we lived in a time when schools were more unnecessary.
Joshua writes,
To accurately compare public schools and homeschooling, you have to compare how Christian students do at home and how they do at school. A parent who homeschools is going to instill a value for education in their children. But that value enables the same child to do well in public school.
Bret responds,
But I don’t want a child to do well in Government school since that means they will be lapping up a false religion. If Christian children have to attend government school it is my prayer that they will do really really poorly.
Joshua writes,
Your analysis of schools is misguided if you compare children of highly dedicated homeschooling parents with children of parents who don’t care. A large majority of students in schools have parents who don’t care. Every teacher I’ve talked to says that the number one factor in academic success is parental involvement.
Bret responds,
I don’t want government schooled children to have academic success. I want them to do poorly. I don’t want them to learn to think like pagans.
I am awash in a culture filled with professional people, including “Christians” who did well in government schools. I try to avoid them as much as I can.
Do exceptions exist? Absolutely! But I don’t gamble when I know the house is overwhelmingly against me.
Now, you have repeatedly accused me of being Anabaptist. I can only plead with you to cease being pagan in your thinking.
You might want to look up the Reformed doctrine of the Anti-thesis and consider that subject in light of our conversation.
This Joshua fellow seems to have a deep interest in defending public schools, deep enough I doubt it is just theoretical. It reminds me of libertarians who *vehemently* defend open borders or queerness. And by vehemently, I mean not just a casual/whatever toleration of it as is common in our apostate age, but advocacy that those evils are a good thing. Why argue so strongly for it unless you or your family are affected by it?
I agree Joe… that’s why I asked him a bit about himself. He sounds so invested.