Refuting David Van Druen’s Work on Natural Law

“Christians do not think that their unbelieving neighbors should be baptized or participate in the Lord’s Supper, but they do think they should work rather than steal, get married rather than cohabitate, bear and raise children rather than abort them, and vote for good candidates rather than bad ones. But how can Christians have meaningful moral conversations about such things? If Christians only appeal to Bible verses to try and persuade their non-Christian neighbors, they communicate a not-so-subtle hint that such moral issues are simply Christian things, things our Holy book tells us to do. But work, marriage, and child rearing are not simply Christian things, but human things. They concern matters that obligate all human beings and that have profound effect on earthly communities. Without natural law, we could not explain why these moral issues concern all members of our societies and not just Christians who read about these issues in Scripture. The reality of natural law creates the possibility of Christians making moral appeals to their unbelieving neighbors in ways other than simply quoting the Bible.”

David Van Drunen (DVD)
Natural Law; A Short Companion

1.) Do not miss the subtlety of what DVD is doing here. DVD has told us that we cannot appeal to non-Christians on the basis of Biblical authority. We must set aside Biblical authority and move to an authority that the non-Christian can accept according to their epistemological standard. We must move away from God’s authoritative word as standard to a standard that man’s authoritative epistemology can accept. Fallen man cannot accept God’s standard, but he will accept Natural Law as a standard for right and wrong and so since that is a standard he will accept we must use that standard.

This is a subtle appeal to neutrality. Natural law, DVD, is telling us, is more acceptable because there is a neutral cast to it that an appeal to God’s revealed law does not have. We are to move to Natural law appeals because it is more acceptable to fallen man’s sense of independence from God’s law. Thus, DVD re-establishes the standard from “thus saith the Lord,” as a moral standard, to “this seems reasonable to fallen man.” Fallen man’s epistemological independence from God is thus left unchallenged. Van Til squashed the idea of neutrality but here DVD dusts it off and makes it the centerpiece of His epistemology.

2.) I hate to tell DVD this but those items that DVD uses as illustrations are moral issues and the morality or immorality of them can only be defined in the matrix of one belief system or another. It is true that DVD’s “things” are also human things but these things that humans do or do not are either moral or immoral and morality or immorality can only be defined according to the God or god concept that every person or people owns and embraces.

3.) DVD seems to fail to understand that natural law itself and what it teaches is worldview/religious dependent. For example, for the pagan Christian Natural law teaches that Radical Two Kingdom theology is taught by Natural law. However, for the Natural Law followers of Stephen Wolfe Natural law teaches that Radical Two Kingdom theology is an abomination. Now, why the difference here between two putatively Christian camps as to what Natural law does and does not teach? The explanation of the difference is that each camp has embraced a worldview/religion that teaches alternate and opposite views on Natural law. So, we see that it is not Natural law that gives us objective truth, but rather it is the worldview/religion prism with which we view Natural law that convinces those in error that their subjective error is objective truth. When DVD or the Stephen Wolfe disciples shop their Natural law they are not shopping Natural law. They instead are shopping their worldview/religion that renders up the Natural law that they subjectively prefer.

4) It seems to be the case that given the quote above that DVD is suggesting that people can be moral without being Christian. Now, most Christians would say that is true in a relative sense. Some non-Christian people(s) can be more moral than other non-Christian people(s) but most Christians would never agree that non-Christians can be moral according to God’s standard.

5.) But work, marriage, and child rearing are not simply Christian things, but human things.

It is true that work, marriage, and child rearing are human things, but they only become fully human as they are pursued as increasingly Christian. I would argue that these human things become increasingly human as they are defined and lived out in terms of being Christian things. These things are indeed human things, but they become less and less human the more they are preformed outside the definitional boundaries of Christianity. Take marriage as an example. Marriage is a human thing but if it is not defined according to a Christian worldview/religion it becomes a decidedly less human thing. This is being testified to right now by the pursuit of polyamory in our social order. These folks will argue that Natural law teaches polyamory. They will argue that they are most human when allowed their polyamory. Only Christianity, and not Natural law, can give an objective standard by which to challenge the Natural law of those who are pursuing polyamorous marriages.

6.) The best that DVD’s Natural law can do is give us one Natural law to contest against other Natural laws. DVD’s natural law cannot even reign supreme within conservative Christian circles.

7.) Without natural law, we could not explain why these moral issues concern all members of our societies and not just Christians who read about these issues in Scripture.

I’m pretty sure I can easily point to the wrecked lives of the gender blenders, the ruined lives of children living through divorce, the high body count of today’s youth to explain why these moral issues concern all members of society. I don’t need Natural law to explain why these moral issues concern all members of society. The culture of narcissism that we live in is daily living proof that these moral issues concern us all.

The only answer to our current situation is a return to the law and to the testimony. DVD’s appeal to Natural law as being a lifeline to restore Western culture is bankrupt. It has no power in it to restore. The same is true of the Stephen Wolfe anti-DVD version of Natural law. Both of these methods begin their reasoning with allowing fallen man to retain his authority. Both of these methods appeal to the idea of some neutral realm where man does not have to epistemologically kneel to God’s authority.

Todd Friel or Samuel Rutherford / Andrew Eliot?

“Tyranny being a work of Satan, is not from God, because sin, either habitual or actual, is not from God: the power that is, must be from God; the magistrate, as magistrate, is good in nature of office, and the intrinsic end of his office, (Rom. xiii. 4) for he is the minister of God for thy good; and, therefore, a power ethical, politic, or moral, to oppress, is not from God, and is not a power, but a licentious deviation of a power; and is no more from God, but from sinful nature and the old serpent, than a license to sin. God in Christ giveth pardons of sin, but the Pope, not God, giveth dispensations to sin.”

Samuel Rutherford
Lex Rex, p.34

“For a nation thus abused to arise unanimously and to resist their prince, even to the dethroning of him, is not criminal, but a reasonable way of vindicating their liberties and just rights; it is making use of the means and the only means, which God has put into their power, for mutual and self-defense. And it would be highly criminal in them not to make use of this means. It would be stupid tameness and unaccountable folly for whole nations to suffer one unreasonable, ambitious, and cruel man to wanton and riot in their misery. And in such a case it would, of the two, be more rational to suppose that they who did NOT resist rather than that they who did, would receive to themselves damnation.”

Rev. Andrew Eliot (1718 – 1778)
Congregational Minister – Boston
A discourse concerning Unlimited submission

Or, you can go with this idiot,

I’m sorry, but if you ever say something this dumb and never apologize your credibility is forever lost. Even if you do apologize, I am not listening to you without remembering how wrong you were with this one.

We Decided to Convert the Enemy by Becoming a Watered-Down Version of the Enemy

One startling truth about the past 60 years of American social life is the collapse of Mainline Protestantism. In 1965, more than 50 percent of Americans belonged to the country’s historic Protestant congregations. Now less than 10 percent do, and that number continues to drop.
The second startling truth about the past 60 years is how the Evangelical movement, which was designed to be a via media between Mainline Protestantism and Fundamentalism, has completely capitulated to the old mindset of Mainline Protestantism. Indeed, one could even say that Mainline Protestantism lives on in Evangelicalism.

One suspects, as one looks to the future, that the new movement of “Neo-Calvinism” as the new via media between Old Line Historic Calvinism and Evangelicalism will likewise fail. It’s leaders show no more promise than the Harold J. Ockenga’s and D. Martyn Lloyd Jones’ of old, who were so instrumental in forming Evangelicalism.

The only answer is to quit trying to form movements which keep trying to keep one foot in the enemy camp. Whether we consider the Mainline Protestantism of old, or the Evangelical response, or the current Neo-Calvinism, what we see is that the attempt to present ourselves as reasonable to the enemy never ends well.

These movements are destroying the church in their quest to reach the lost. In seeking converts they are only giving unbelief a patina of Christian respectability.

Sundry Quotes from My Reading Over the Years on 31 March

I have a file system where I store choice quotes from my reading. It files my quotes according to the date. So, on every day of the calendar year I have a list of quotes from whatever I was reading on that date in that particular year. Below are just a few of the quotes from my reading over the years on 31 March.

“Show me the individual and I’ll show you the crime.”

Lavrentiy Beria
Head of Stalin’s Secret Police

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“So much so did the Southern ministers stir up the people against tyranny and wickedness, that one Yankee critic said he believed that the unmitigated set of villains in the South were the Methodists Baptists, Presbyterian, and Episcopal all talking secession, drinking mean liquor, and advocating the cause of Jeff Davis and the Devil. Every one of the officers of one Texas regiment was made up entirely of Methodist ministers”

Pastor John Weaver

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“For such a mongrel between a pig and puppy, begotten by a wild boar on a bitch wolf, never before in any age of the world was suffered the poltroonery of mankind, to run such a career of mischief. Call it then the Age of Paine.”

John Adams

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“If an offense comes out of the truth, it is better that the offense come than that the truth shall be concealed.”

St. Jerome

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Alfred Milner’s advice to the rulers in Britain in the context of outrage over the Boer War and the treatment of civilians,

“Ignore the screamers.”

Milner was the point man for the Anglo-Int’l Money elite.

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“All I Want for Christmas is White Genocide.”

“To clarify: when the whites were massacred during the Haitian revolution, that was a good thing indeed.”

George Ciccariello-Maher

Associate professor of politics and global studies wrote — Drexel University

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A few years ago, I wrote a book about the rise of a new educated class, the people with 60’s values and 90’s money who go to Starbucks, shop at Whole Foods and drive Volvos. A woman came up to me after one of my book talks and said, “You realize what you’re talking about is the Jews taking over America.”

My eyes bugged out, but then I realized that she was Jewish and she knew I was, too, and between us we could acknowledge there’s a lot of truth in that statement. For the Jews were the vanguard of a social movement that over the course of the 20th century transformed the American university system and the nature of the American elite.

David Brooks
New York Times Article
‘The Chosen; Getting In’

06 November, 2005

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“The goal of the Rockefellers is world government, combining capitalism and Communism under the same tent. Do I mean conspiracy? Yes, I do. I am convinced of such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent.”

US Congressman Larry Patton McDonald

Murdered in the downing of KAL 007

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“The man was admirable. He never gave in one inch to anyone. He never bowed his head. It was not in him to trim or compromise, to accept any peace that was less than triumph. He was a glorious enemy because he was completely open and direct in his angers and hatreds. He stood for something and everyone knew what it was.”

~ Pearl S. Buck
Progressive Missionary to China and Author
Eulogizing J. Gresham Machen

 

Dostoevsky & McAtee on Egalitarianism

The radical declares,

“Everyone belongs to all, and all belongs to everyone. All are slaves and equal in their slavery… Slaves are bound to be equal. Without despotism there has never been either freedom or equality, but in the herd there is bound to be equality…. The moment you have family ties or love you get the desire for property. We will destroy that desire; we’ll make use of drunkenness, slander, spying; we’ll make use of incredible corruption; we’ll stifle every genius in its infancy. We’ll reduce all to a common denominator!

Complete equality!”

The Possessed
Fydor Dostoevsky

Dostoevsky was a 19th century Russian writer who explored the human psyche, particularly as that psyche was conditioned by ideology and religion. In the quote above we find that Dostoevsky understood the nascent proto-Marxist type ideology which he believed were Demon like ideas from Western Europe that was possessing Russia.

It is interesting that even in 1873 Russia, Dostoevsky could identify the heart of collectivism that remains with us yet today. Dostoevsky understood that the end of equality, absolutized, is slavery….

Without Biblical distinctions regarding gender, roles, racial/ethnic groups, and authority structure, we will be amalgamated into the herd reality that Dostoevsky warns about. It will be a herd reality where a few elites are, in essence, the Farmers over the undistinguished and undifferentiated mass herd. Those who advocate complete equality in terms of “equality of identity” are the enemy and they are the enemy because Scripture identifies them as such. They are the enemy who overthrow the 5th commandment where a distinction and hierarchy of parents is required before they can be honored. They are the enemy who overthrow the great commission where a distinction of nations is required before those nations can be baptized, discipled and taught to observe all things taught by Christ. They are the enemy who overthrow Galatians 3:28 where a existing distinction between Jews and Gentiles, Slave and Free, Men and Women, must exist before there can be comforted that all can be justified in Christ. They are the enemy who overthrow the 9th commandment where a distinction must exist between what is my property and what is not my property before any forbidding of theft can make sense. Egalitarianism is the enemy and egalitarians are the enemy precisely because their egalitarianism strikes at the heart of God’s revelation. Keep in mind that the ultimate goal of the Father of egalitarianism is to erase the distinction and hierarchy between the Creator and the creature. They desire to make God and man a common denominator. That is the ultimate distinction that is under attack in all of these penultimate battles.