Category: Apologetics

Gordon Interview with Wolfe; X — Where R2K Meets Marxism

“The great message of the Christian Gospel is … the church is the people and place (blut und boden) and you have that, you have your soil, you have your people, your place, in the Kingdom of God and I get to preach that every Sunday to these people that unites them together not along these superficial … unites them together along this beautiful Gospel family that He has put together and I feel like this (what Wolfe is championing) is threatening that.”

Rev. Chrissy Gordon
Interview w/ Wolfe
153:00:00 Time stamp

Yes… the Church is the place where one comes into and loses not only their blood and soil but also their gender. After all, if we are all one in Christ Jesus, per Gordon’s hackneyed interpretation of Galatians 3 and Ephesians 2, then that means that the boundaries and distinctions of sex have been removed as well. One can’t consistently argue that Gospel one-ness eliminates race/ethnicity but doesn’t erase gender.

Gordon wants to insist that the very real distinctions that God ordained us to have in creation are eliminated in re-creation. For Gordon, Grace destroys nature. This quote proves, in spades, that that is his view.

For Gordon, the idea of Christian Nationalism … the idea that, in and by  creation God has placed us in social realities of blood, place, gender, and class is nothing but superficial realities that are transcended once one enters into the Kingdom of God.

This is the doctrine of the Marxists where all colors bleed into one. Chrissy might as well started singing,

“Imagine there’s no countries
It isn’t hard to do”

Except Chrissy wants to insist that this is the Christian Gospel… this defines the Kingdom of God.

I have my differences with Wolfe, but what he is championing in most of his conclusions (as opposed to his rancid methodology) is just historic Biblical Christianity.

I also think that Wolfe let Gordon get away with far too much sloppy talk. Wolfe should’ve pushed back much more strenuously on Gordon.

The Designed Decline of the White Christian & The White Christians Embrace

But the real problem in the West is not plunging birth rates so much as it is the desire by the New World Order elite to pursue an International arrangement that imports the third world into the West with the express purpose of eliminating all Christian opposition, and indeed, all Christians. This is a truth that Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban articulated in the soon to be released documentary film, “Deconstruction.” The New World Order elites understand something that Anglo-European are slow to admit that is that the war against white people is merely a proxy war with the purpose of eliminating and crushing Christianity. It is merely a fact of history, easily understood by the New World Order elites that White people have been the civilizational carriers of Biblical Christianity. This is not to say that White Western Civilization has been perfect. It is to say that it has been superior to all other Civilizations by God’s grace alone. The fact that the Anglo-European white world is so slow to resist this destruction of themselves and their faith is demonstrated by their willingness to be like sheep led to the slaughter.

This desire to rid the West of white people and the Christian faith is not new. Dr. R. L. Dabney wrote about this same drive at the end of the 20th century;

“If indeed they (the South’s Conquerors) can mix the blood of the heroes of Manassas with this vile stream from the fens of Africa, then they will never again have occasion to tremble before the righteous resistance of Virginia freemen; but will have a race supple and vile enough to fill that position of political subjection, which they desire to fix on the South.

R. L. Dabney
A Defense of Virginia & the South

Gordon Interview with Wolfe – VIII

“By secularism I don’t mean some derogatory term. I mean that there is no public core religion. That’s what I mean for the most part.”

Dr. Stephen Wolfe 
Interview by Rev. Chris Gordon

The idea that we have ever lived under “Secularism,” as defined as living without a public core religion, is a myth of massive proportions.

What people call “Secularism” in the West was instead that space of time where we were in transition moving from an overt Christian society/culture informed by the Christian religion to an overt Humanist society/culture informed by the Humanist religion.

These last 80 years, or so, have been kind of a twilight religious existence where Christianity has been descending in the West and Humanism has been ascending. The non-epistemologically self-conscious people that have lived in this twilight of transition have mistaken this transition as being a thing called “Secularism.” Nothing could be further from the truth since culture is always animated by one religion or another. Indeed, if there were no religion as the animating factor in culture there would be no culture.

Gordon Interview Of Wolfe – VII

“The whole paradigm of the new covenant seems put us in that Babylonic exile state until we reach the new heavens and the new earth.”

Rev. Chris Gordon
Interview w/ Dr. Wolfe
Time Stamp 34:45f

Yeah… I think this is horrid theology. This theology has lost the capacity to realize that with the advent of Christ the age to come has arrived and as such the Christian life is not described as one of being constantly in Babylonic exile though there are times when the exile motif is indeed experienced more acutely than other times.

The Scripture teaches that

3All of us also lived among them at one time, fulfilling the cravings of our flesh and indulging its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature children of wrath. 4But because of His great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy 5made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in our trespasses.

“The Scripture teaches that we have been translated from the Kingdom of Darkness to the Kingdom of God’s dear Son whom He loves.”

For Gordon and the R2K ilk their eschatology is all “not yet.” They have zero capacity to think of the nowness of the Kingdom. For Gordon and R2K the Christian life is all one of Babylonian exile. There is no sense that because of the redemption granted in Christ Christians can bring redemption to every area of life and so find God’s will done on earth as it is in heaven.

Gordon Interview of Wolfe – VI

Gordon uses God’s call of Abram to leave Ur of the Chaldees to go to a different land as proof that Christians are not supposed to be attached to place or people. Gordon insists that the land of Christians is the heavenly land and, by implication, that our people are not our own kith and kin but are instead fellow Christians. Gordon says “the whole paradigm of Scripture is moving us away from these earthly loyalties to heavenly loyalties.”

Doubtless this is why God said, “Honor thy Father and Mother.” Doubtless this is why God said “If a man does not provide for his own household he is worse than an infidel.” Doubtless this reasoning accounts for Paul’s throated expression of love for his earthly people in Romans 9:3.

It is these kind of statements of the R2K fanboys like Rev. Chris Gordon that finds me screaming, “GNOSTIC.” The Christian faith does not separate or divorce the heavenly from the earthly but finds the heavenly in the earthly. That which is earthly in the negative sense is earthly because it has been divorced from the meaning it has when it is injected with the heavenly. It is earthly because it is fallen and yet to be restored by grace. If grace restores nature then nature becomes what it was always intended to be, and that is due to grace.

As a Christian I don’t have to be all dualistic separating heaven from earth as if there is no relation between the two. As a Christian I know and live in terms of the reality that Christ has redeemed and so is redeeming all of nature and as such the dichotomy between heaven and earth is no longer a dichotomy.