Category: R2K Virus (Radical Two Kingdom Theology)

“If then Christianity as interpreted in the Reformed creeds, as championed by Kuyper, Bavinck, Hodge, Warfield, and Machen, is to be presented to men today, ministers must learn to understand the riches of their own position. Christianity …is the sine qua non of the intelligibility of anything. Why am I so much interested in science? It is a) because with Kuyper I believe that God requires of us that we claim every realm of being for Him, and b) because with Kuyper I believe that unless we press the crown rights of our King in every realm, we shall not long retain them in any realm.”

Cornelius Van Til, “The Defense of the Faith”, pg. 276

1.) Van Til was not R2K and the R2K lads need to give up claiming Van Til.

A.) Van Til says that, “Christianity is the sine qua non of the intelligibility of anything.” R2K says, “No, that is inaccurate. What is the sine qua non of the intelligibility in the common realm is not Christianity but Natural Law.”

B.) Van Til, with Kuyper believed that every realm — including the common realm — must be claimed for God. R2K says to Van Til, “No, ‘Kees,’ don’t you understand that the common realm can’t be captured for God since the common realm is a realm of creation and not redemption?”

C.) Van Til understood that the realms were integrated to some degree so that if the R2K common realm caught a cold the result would be that the R2K spiritual realm would sneeze. R2K would say to Van Til, “No, Kees you don’t realize that the common realm and the spiritual realm are compartmentalized from one another so much so that Scripture is not the moral standard for the common kingdom. The common realm and the spiritual realm are sealed tight from one another Kees.”

“Moreover, in paradise, supernatural revelation, that is, thought-communication on the part of God, accompanied God’s revelation in the created universe. Natural revelation therefore required supernatural revelation as its supplement even apart from the fact of sin. Even in paradise Adam had to regard all the facts of his natural environment in the light of the goal that God set for man in his supernatural revelation.”

Cornelius Van Til, “The Defense of the Faith”, pg. 205

If Van Til is correct here then Natural Law, as a means by which social order can be organized, is not possible. Natural revelation (of which Natural law is a subset) needs supernatural revelation in order to make sense. To state it differently, for natural revelation to gain traction it must presuppose special revelation. Yet, that is precisely what R2K denies. R2K affirms that Natural law can be understood quite fine apart from and without special revelation and insists that a cohesive God honoring social order can be built on Natural law.

Over at Gnostikoi’s life,

http://oldlife.org/2012/05/looks-like-peter-and-paul-were-radical-2kers/#comments

Gnostikos gives a flurry of Scriptures and then concludes with this,

The more some try to read their political opposition into Scripture, the more they resemble political Islam.

Now, the political opposition that Gnostikos Darryl says I read into Scripture was merely the idea that God has ordained Spheres of sovereignty in the Temporal realm (Ecclesiastical, Civil, and Family) and over those spheres He has set Covenant Heads (Elders (I Peter 5:1-4) , Magistrates (Romans 13:1-7), Fathers (Ephesians 5, 6) to rule as His representatives in their ordained spheres. Then I merely mentioned that Marxism is a Sphere sovereignty sucking philosophy that seeks to overturn God’s ordained spheres.

Then I ended with this paragraph that might have hurt Darryl’s feelings,

All of this explains why radical two kingdom theology is such a poison pill for the church because radical two kingdom theology insists that the Church as the Church has no role in declaiming against the Marxist state’s attempt to seize all temporal sovereignty. R2K “theology” would stand silent as the state seeks to absorb all temporal sovereignty so that it becomes the idol state that has raised itself up against the almighty God. In R2K “theology” the only time the Church can protest this seizure of sovereignty is when the state seeks to dictate to the Church about its formal worship patterns. But if the Church is only concerned about its formal worship patterns then why would the state ever have any reason to want to absorb a sovereignty that it views as irrelevant? In point of fact if the R2K church is telling its people that they must obey the state, the state may very well view the R2K church as already effectively one of its agents.

1.) Note the political opposition that Gnostikos Darryl is reading into my quote is the opposition of the Church to declaim against Marxism as a concrete plausibility structure that is seeking to gain all temporal sovereignty for itself so that it can be a god above God. Scripture informs me, as a Pastor, I am to have, “No Other Gods before me,” and so as a Pastor, when the State seeks the kind of Sovereignty that would ensconce it as God, I am compelled by Scripture and conscience to declaim against the God-State. There is no reading into Scripture here.

2.) Note that the Scripture that Gnostikos Darryl quotes in his blog entry does not trump Peter’s, “We must obey God rather than man (Acts 5:29). And the same Paul that wrote some of those Scripture’s that Gnostikos Darryl can refer to is the same Paul who disobeyed a direct order from the Magistrate in Acts 16,

35 Now when day came, the chief magistrates sent their policemen, saying, “Release those men.” 36 And the jailer reported these words to Paul, saying, “The chief magistrates have sent to release you. Therefore come out now and go in peace.” 37 But Paul said to them, “They have beaten us in public without trial, men who are Romans, and have thrown us into prison; and now are they sending us away secretly? No indeed! But let them come themselves and bring us out.”

Here you have the same Paul who wrote I Timothy 2:1-4, and Romans 13, disobeying a direct order from a Civil Magistrate. If St. Paul could defy a Magistrate’s orders for being released — a defiance which was for far more picayune reasons then the kind of defiance I’ve said is warranted as against a Magistrate for flagrant and repeated disobedience to God’s revelation — then how much more is Christ centered defiance warranted when a Magistrate is seeking to suck up all the temporal sovereignty available so they might seek to place themselves in the position of God to God’s people?

3.) Gnostikos Darryl doesn’t believe that there is no time in which a Christian can say “no” to a Magistrate. He believes saying, “no” to a Magistrate is warranted when the Magistrate gets in the way of formalized worship. As such Darryl and I agree that the Magistrate’s authority isn’t absolute. Our only difference is where to draw the line. Darryl draws the line at the point where the Magistrate gets in the way of formalized Church worship whereas I would say lines might well be drawn, as well in matters like,

A.) The Magistrate demanding that I must turn my children over to the pagan state schools
B.) The Magistrate condoning and supporting the wide scale murder of the unborn
C.) The Magistrate condoning and promoting sexual perversion
D.) The Magistrate condoning and legislating oppressively against private property
E.) The Magistrate requiring me to be involved in a office-work process role of a final solution for Radical Two Kingdom officialdom.

In each of those I can envision the necessity of the Church to say, “We must obey God rather than man.” Darryl however, says the Church should be silent on these matters and so by its silence support the agenda of the tyrant.

At this link,

Why it’s so important to affirm two kingdoms: Calvin on the Lord’s Prayer

We see the most recent effort of the ever moving target that we have affectionately called “R2K.”

Mr. Tuininga has commented on this subject elsewhere recently,

In my view the two kingdoms doctrine is a doctrine in development, and VanDrunen, like myself, is still working through the best formulations.

It may be just me, but it is amazing to me that we have a whole Seminary (Westminster, Ca.) committed to a Theology that is in flux, not to mention several other Seminary’s that have been significantly influenced by this “theology.” Now, keep in mind, that Two Kingdom theology has been embraced by Reformed Christians since the Reformation, so obviously whatever is in “development” (flux) here is a theology that isn’t standard 2K theology.

The reader can access the Mr. Tuininga’s work at the link. I want to list the problems that remain with his latest greatest version of R2K. I imagine that eventually somebody else will step forward with yet another version of R2K once the problems here are seen as problematic as the problems found in Dr. VanDrunen’s 1.0 version of R2K.

1.) Mr. Tuininga notes at the beginning of his piece that “people think of the two kingdoms doctrine as being about two different airtight realms.” Well, let me testify that the reason people have thought that way is because that is precisely the way that the R2K acolytes have been putting forth the R2K flux theology. It is not as if those who have interacted with them have misunderstood them. Quite to the contrary we have understood them precisely. Hence, the current brouhaha.

2.) Mr. Tuininga notes that people have been focusing on the nitty-gritty questions of application as if by doing so such people have missed the forest that is R2K because of the R2K trees. However, as the saying goes, “the devil is in the details,” and it has been because of the details of application that R2K has been found and still remains wanting.

3.) Mr. Tuininga offers a understanding that the two Kingdoms should be understood as “the age to come,” and this present age,” as opposed to two airtight realms of Nature (common) and Grace (Church). However the problem I see here is that the work of the “age to come,” is to advance and overcome this present wicked age. The age to come is leavening this present age so that as the leavening work continues the kingdoms of this world shall increasingly be, what they already are in principle, and that is the kingdoms of our Lord. Mr. Tuininga is admirably seeking to get the two Kingdoms in contact with one another, which is certainly an advance on the R2K 1.0 version that has the airtight compartments. However, I wonder if behind Mr. Tuininga’s “two kingdoms as the two ages” lies a amillennial eschatology that refuses to allow the current “age to come” now-ness to go from now-ness unto ever increasing now-ness, such as one finds in postmillennial eschatology. I wonder about this because Mr. Tuininga offers a dichotomy between this created (and cursed) world and the kingdom of God, thus suggesting that this created world will not experience incremental reverse of the curse due to the expansion of the present “age to come” kingdom in space and time.

The point here is that Mr. Tuininga’s offerings don’t really significantly advance the discussion because he seems to retain both an amillennial eschatology and a conviction that the kingdom of God is restricted to the Church. These are two doctrines that are central to the controversy and as long as these aren’t addressed it is difficult to see how a resolution can be found.

4.) Note also in the article that Mr. Tuininga is insisting, along with R2K 1.0, that the “age to come” Kingdom of God breaks into this age without immediately (interesting word) destroying or transforming this age. Mr. Tuininga leaves us wondering whether the Kingdom of God, since it does not “immediately transform this age”, if the kingdom of God will ever eventually incrementally transform this present age prior to Christ’s return?

5.) Mr. Tuininga confesses that “there is an eschatological tension that somehow needs to be sorted out.” Yet, this tension has been spoken to before and spoken to my none less then one of the most pre-eminent amillennialists who has ever lived. I am very comfortable with the way this amillennialist worked out the eschatological tension.

“The kingdom means the renewal of the world through the introduction of supernatural forces.” (page 192)

“The thought of the kingdom of God implies the subjection of the entire range of human life in all its forms and spheres to the ends of religion. The kingdom reminds us of the absoluteness, the pervasiveness, the unrestricted dominion, which of right belong to all true religion. It proclaims that religion, and religion alone, can act as the supreme unifying, centralizing factor in the life of man, as that which binds all together and perfects all by leading it to its final goal in the service of God.” (page 194)

Geerhardus Vos
The Teaching of Jesus Concerning the Kingdom of God and the Church

Dr. Vos obviously believed that the Kingdom of God transforms this present age and I desperately wish we could come to a version of R2K that would take us back to Vos on this matter. Maybe flux R2K 7.0 might finally get us there.

6.) Mr. Tuininga then quotes Calvin.

“We must first attend to the definition of the kingdom of God. He is said to reign among men, when they voluntarily devote and submit themselves to be governed by him, placing their flesh under the yoke, and renouncing their desires. Such is the corruption of the nature, that all our affections are so many soldiers of Satan, who oppose the justice of God, and consequently obstruct or disturb his reign. By this prayer we ask, that he may remove all hindrances, and may bring all men under his dominion, and may lead them to meditate on the heavenly life.

I like quoting Calvin as well,

“But it is questioned whether the law pertains to the kingdom of Christ, which is spiritual and distinct from all earthly dominion; and there are some men, not otherwise ill-disposed, to whom it appears that our condition under the Gospel is different from that of the ancient people under the law; not only because the Kingdom of Christ is not of this world, but because Christ was unwilling that the beginning of His Kingdom should be aided by the sword. But, when human judges consecrate their work to the promotion of Christ’s Kingdom, I deny that on that account its nature is changed. For, although, it was Christ’s will that His Gospel should be proclaimed by His disciples in opposition to the power of the whole world, and He exposed them armed w/ the Word alone like sheep among wolves, He did not impose on Himself an eternal law that He should never bring Kings under his subjection, nor tame their violence, nor change them from being cruel persecutors into the patrons and guardians of His Church.”

John Calvin
Commentaries on the Last four Books of Moses.

Clearly, Calvin here has no problem with human judges consecrating their work to the promotion of Christ’s kingdom, thus revealing that Calvin did not restrict the Kingdom of God to the Church, nor it would seem that he would allow the notion that the Gospel doesn’t transform this present age. Calvin does seem to be teaching that once Kingdoms are won for Christ to the point that the Magistrate is ruling in such a way to promote Christ’s Kingdom then the redemptive work of the Kingdom can be advanced by those Magistrates who are patrons and guardians of His Church. If you read Mr. Tuininga’s article you will see that is a different thrust then what Mr. Tuininga puts on Calvin. Church and State (this present age and this present age as transformed by the “age to come” so that it partakes in the “age to come,”) co-operate together for the Kingdom of Christ.

7.) Mr. Tuininga then does some good work giving his vision of how God’s providential reign interacts with God’s Redemptive reign, though I would still contend that when God is pleased to give people Godly rulers, who rule by God’s revealed Word, that such ruling, while remaining distinct from God’s Redemptive reign, is far more complimentary to that Redemptive reign, as an expression of His providential reign, then when God’s providential reign is exercised by Christ hating magistrates. I cannot accept that the reign of Godly magistrates, in God’s providence, is as unrelated to Christ’s redemptive reign as Mr. Tuininga teaches when he says, referring to the coercive work of the Magistrate, “It does not build up the kingdom of God. Such a statement is born of the conviction that the Kingdom of God is restricted to the Church. Certainly the coercive work of a Christian Magistrate, ruling in subjection to Christ, is not a Redemptive action properly speaking, though we can say that by restoring and maintaining order, the coercive work of the Magistrate creates space where the Kingdom’s redemptive work can go forward. As such, we may say that, God’s providential reign in this scenario is more visibly furthering His redemptive reign.

8.) Mr. Tuininga tips his eschatological hand when he refers to this age as the “age of suffering service.” This idea is a key component of amillennial R2K thinking and in all this flux theology is consistent with R2K 1.0. It is important to note, because in the amillennial mindset, since this is the age of suffering service, we are not to expect such a transformation power by the “age to come” on this “age of suffering,” that this “age of suffering,” might ever become anything other than “an age of suffering.” Amillennial eschatology is self-fulfilling eschatology. It expects suffering and it will not be satisfied unless it develops a theology that guarantees suffering.

9.) After all that Mr. Tuining writes he finishes by saying (paraphrase) since the two kingdoms are jumbled up we can not expect Christians to agree on exactly how application of Natural law (another point of disagreement) goes forth. So, it seems that this flux theology will, in the end, not get us any closer to agreement on the details of application then we already are.

R2K acolyte writes,

It remains a mystery to me how anyone could have the sort of trouble with VanDrunen that Mark does. My own suspicion after years of reading and engaging 2k interlocutors like Mark is that the push back owes at least in part to a sense that 2k isn’t very useful for the culture wars. In fact, it suggests more caution and the possibility of common ground and life than warriors are comfortable with. In this way, the interesting thing is how the Reformed culturalists seem to parallel the Protestant liberals. The 2k critics will balk at such a comparison, but it remains unclear what keeps anybody from slouching toward some form or another of cultural Christianity without the doctrines of the two kingdoms and the spirituality of the church.

1.) “2k isn’t very useful for the culture wars”

Keep in mind that (R)2K sells itself as Reformed Theology. What the acolyte is telling us is that R2K theology is a theology that is unrelated and unconcerned with matters cultural. There is such a separation between theology and culture that R2K theology can exist without creating culture. This reinforces what I’ve heard from R2K chaps before that Christianity is not a culture creating belief system. This is why R2K chaps insist that there is no such thing as Christian culture. R2K desires to isolate and compartmentalize Christian theology from impacting culture, cultural institutions, and academic disciplines. Because they believe this they hurl epitaphs at those who understand that culture is some theology externalized. For R2K Christian theology is supra, trans or a-cultural. R2K theology is a plant that can be transplanted into any cultural environment and is specifically designed to not have any impact on the culture where it is transplanted and grows. For R2K Christian theology exists for individuals but as those Christian individuals cooperate unto cultural enterprise Christian theology is mute.

2.) The acolyte mentions disdainfully culture warriors and yet seems to miss the irony that he, himself, is a culture warrior against cultural warriors. This gent will go all warrior on anyone who insists that Christianity looks like something particular in the common realm. So the acolyte is not comfortable with Christians who are cultural warriors but he is perfectly fine with the contradiction that finds him being a warrior for culture that is denuded of any explicit manifestation of Biblical Christianity.

3.) The acolyte insists that those who advocate for culture that grows out of Biblical Christianity are parallel with those who advocate for a culture that grows out of Liberal Christianity. One thing that R2K doesn’t seem to realize that Liberal Christianity is not Christianity, not only because it denies certain Biblical-Theological truths but also because in doing so it advances anti-Christ culture. What R2K seems to conclude is that because Biblical Christianity and Liberal Christianity both create their own unique culture, and as such are at cross-purposes, therefore the answer is to insist that Christianity has nothing to do with culture. R2K, by such an approach, believes it clears the ground to advocate a Christianity that is set free from the encumbrance of having to deal with issues cultural. However, R2K Christianity when it takes this tack plants itself squarely in the Liberal Christianity camp as their refusal to resist Liberalism (a resistance that Machen advocated in his book “Christianity and Liberalism”) clears the field for the advance of anti-Christ theology which produces anti-Christ culture.

4.) R2K acolyte believes he has avoided “slouching towards some form or another of cultural Christianity,” but he doesn’t realize that his R2K theology is just another form of the cultural Christianity he despises. Liberal Christianity slouches towards Liberal culture. Biblical Christianity slouches towards Biblical Culture. And, R2K Christianity slouches towards whatever culture happens to be the majority report at the time. R2K slouches there because the refusal to resist is a tacit means of support for whatever theology is in the ascendancy creating the prevailing culture.

2nd R2K acolyte chimes in,

I think a major challenge facing the church today is the need to adjust to a post-Christendom mindset. The task of ethicists such as VanDrunen, myself, and Nelson Kloosterman (who taught ethics at Mid-America) is not to teach us how to conquer culture, but how to witness to Christ in a culture that is often hostile to the Gospel. The primary way in which we do that is by preaching the Gospel clearly, and acting with loving service, not by proclamation of a law or cultural-political conquest.

1.) Here the surrender to pagandom is explicit. Christendom has sashayed off the scene and what R2K is intended to do is to help Christians acquiesce to the reality of social order being organized by a theology other than Biblical Christianity. Some people might call that mindset cowardice.

2.) I’ve never once took any class on “how to conquer culture.” However, I have studied plenty on how to take every thought captive to make it obedient to Christ, and I’ve found that as thoughts are made captive to Christ that leads inevitably to be accused by these types as being only concerned with conquering culture.

3.) Notice how “preaching the Gospel clearly” and “acting with loving service,” is set in dichotomous opposition to the ministry of “proclamation of law.” One might ask, “How do we preach the Gospel without setting the table by preaching law?” One might ask, “Isn’t advocating a culture of life (political-cultural conquest) acting with loving service towards those living in cultures of death?”

4.) Notice also how “acting in loving service,” is seemingly cordoned off from God’s law that provides the content for what loving service means. Can a Christian “act in loving service,” towards those outside of Christ without God’s law defining for them just exactly what that loving service might look like? Is there a dichotomy being created here between the “law of love,” and God’s law that defines the content of love?

5.) R2K is forever complaining that Christianity doesn’t conquer in post-Christendom by proclamation of a law. R2K apparently thinks it wrong to have a proclamation of the law for pagans in post-Christendom and yet R2K does have a proclamation of the law for Christians in post-Christendom and that law is, “Thou shalt not appeal to the politicus usus of the law for the public square or in order to reinvigorate Christendom. So, R2K does have a public proclamation of the law but the proclamation is to Christians and that proclamation says, “don’t proclaim law to the pagan.”