Doug Wilson @ TPUS Conference … A Few Objections

Jew hate is serious sin. What do I mean by (Jews being) a high performance people? Jews are a talented and high performance people. And Jewish mothers are always pleased to introduce you to, “my son the doctor.” But they are also, like the rest of us, sons of Adam making them ‘dirty rotten sinners.’ So, if they are over represented among the Bolsheviks and media moguls, just remember that they are also over represented among Nobel prize winners and patent holders. Professing Christians are who are backsliding into Jew hate (and it is backsliding) are angry because the Jews don’t believe in Jesus. Jews are the enemy it is thought but Jesus commanded his followers to love our enemies which you are manifestly not doing.

Last thing – and you may consider this a little bonus round item; I mention it only because I think it was brought up at this conference earlier. This bonus topic is the USS Liberty attacked by Israeli planes in 1967 killing 34 Americans. I am making no assertions here. All I am doing is noticing. All I’m doing is asking questions, you know, like Candace does recklessly connecting dots. The Liberty was an Intelligence gathering ship. LBJ wa President. Israel was in the middle of a hot 1967 war. How confident are you personally that there was no American Deep State in 1967? How confident are you that we weren’t playing both sides and feeding intel to Egypt? How confident are you that America can be only double crossed and can never be the double crosser?

You confidence in the essential goodness of the CIA is endearing. I want to close by saying – and this is crucial – that debates about foreign policy and America’s relationship to Israel and what happened to the USS Liberty are totally inbounds and inbounds at a conference like this.”

Doug Wilson

TPUSA Conference

Let’s take this one bite at a time;

I.) Jews are a high performance people etc.

 

Doug Wilson seems to have in his Bagel and Lox brain that all because Bagels are winners of Nobel Prizes and patents that somehow makes up for their high performance in being Mass murderers. The fact that Bagels run the Porn industry is balanced out, in Dougie’s mind, by the fact that Bagels get a large number of patents. Dougie reasons that because Bagels are Doctors and Lawyers and stuff that balances out the fact that the Bagels have corrupted our Western Christian Civilization from their ownership of the Media.

Now, we are just asking questions in what follows and not making any accusations in the least but one has to wonder,

“Has Doug Wilson been paid off to by the Bagels in order to herald the wonders of belonging to the Bagels? Is Doug a hired shill in order to do for this generation what Scofield, Chafer, and Lindsey did for the previous three generations? What is the going rate in today’s inflation, Doug, for 30 pieces of silver? ”

“Has Doug Wilson’s Bagel grandchildren worked in him a Bagel Kinism?”

Honestly, as far as I am concerned Doug Wilson is just the latest incarnation of John Hagee. Doug Wilson is John Hagee. Think about it. They both carry the extra weight. They both expect people to worship the ground the walk on. They both are willing to prioritize the Bagels over their own nation.

Also, here, one wonders if our genius Doug realizes that a Nobel prize by itself is not an indicative of positive morality. If history had turned out differently I have no doubt that Dr. Mengele would have won his share of Nobel prizes. Doug has category errors everywhere.

Also, I think we’d all agree that any national group of people who seized control of financial systems would also tend to have a high rate of success in all reputable industry. He doesn’t seem to understand the argument. All kinds of Bagels have won Academy awards. No one would seriously argue that holding up an Academy award proves the winner is not diddling some minor. In the same way, holding up the Nobel peace prize does not prove that the winner isn’t into child pornography.

II.) “Professing Christians are who are backsliding into Jew hate (and it is backsliding) are angry because the Jews don’t believe in Jesus.”

Doug Wilson

TPUSA

1.) First, Doug NEVER defines Jew hate in this presentation. Remember, the current definition of Jew hate in this cultural climate is “anybody who disagrees with a Jew.”

2.) Am I Angry because the Jews don’t believe in Jesus? Well, of course I pray for them to believe in Jesus. I hope they will believe in Jesus. I pity them if they don’t believe in Jesus. However, to be honest, the Jews I hate right now, I hate, for two reasons;

a.) Because they have said that Jesus is eternally boiling in excrement and continue to seek to roll Jesus the Christ off His throne.

b.) Because they are trying to kill me and my people. If they would cease seeking to roll Christ off His throne and would cease trying to kill me and my kin, I’m absolutely confident that any anger I have against the Bagels would diminish quite a bit.

 

 

III.) “Jews are the enemy it is thought but Jesus commanded his followers to love our enemies which you are manifestly not doing. So why should Jews listen to Jesus if you don’t.”

Doug Wilson

TPUSA presentation

1.) Why would Doug think that it is a lack of love to tell the Jews we have good evidence that they are behind any number of world crimes. This is like saying that it is not loving to the defendant to inform him of the crimes he is being charged with. It is not a lack of love to someone to face them with the truth about their malfeasance and the fact that they don’t like being presented with the charges against them also does not prove that the person bringing the charges are guilty of a lack of love or are guilty of bringing false charges. I wouldn’t expect a guilty person to accust the prosecuting attorney of being “unloving.”

2.) Loving your enemies does not mean ignoring their crimes. If it is found out that the babysitter I hire is abusing my children it is not a lack of love if I fire their arse and refuse to give them a good job referral for their next potential employer. It is not hatred to tell the truth about the Bagels. It is not hatred to say…. “Hey, Mr. & Mrs. Bagel, we would like to talk to you about 2000 years of Church history wherein we find you attacking the Church and Christianity over and over again.”

3.) In point of fact it would be a lack of love to the Bagels if we let them go on in their malfeasance without confronting them with their crimes. And the Bagels answering “Nuh Huh,” to those crimes does not prove that we are being hateful Dougie.

The Bible not only tells us to love our enemies but it assumes we will love our friends. Doug however, would have us love our enemies by hating our friends. It is a hatred to Christian civilization to not press charges against the Jews for their crimes against Christianity, and Jews don’t get a pass for their crimes by screaming…. “Oy, Oy, Oy, you Christians are so hateful to us.”

4.) Jews should listen even if we don’t because God commands all men everywhere to repent. Jews don’t get a pass on listening to God all because they say that other people weren’t listening either.

Someone tell Doug “Judas” Wilson that “Friendship with the world is enmity toward God.”

How Long Will We Remain Satisfied With The Bones?

Almost 40 years ago, as a newly minted Pastor, I found myself ministering to a number of Senior Citizens who were being sustained in life by being on Social Security, Welfare, and public assistance. These folks were some of the most down-to-earth and welcoming people you’d ever want to meet, but almost universally they lived in very humble abodes and they barely eked out their existence.

It didn’t take long for me to figure out that the way the public dole works is the State gives you just enough to remain dependent upon the state, but never so much as to break free of being dependent upon the state. In point of fact the system positively punishes people for income that is above the allotted acceptance level. As such, these folks were stuck in the poverty that they were in.

Recently, it has dawned on me that this is the way the Republican party operates with its base. The Republican party is not substantially different from the Democrat Party. Indeed, I have long said that together they form a “Uniparty.” The Republican party works in such a way to give their base just enough of what the base wants to keep them voting Republican but never so much that they might actually address the foundational problems that keep their voters returning to vote for them. Like my former parishioners who were given just enough of a stipend to barely survive, so the Republican party gives just enough satisfaction to the base to keep them thinking that their only hope is the Republican party. It’s all a con.

The abortion issue is a perfect example. The last people in the world that want to end abortion is the Republican party and that is because people vote for Republicans based on the morsel of opposition the Republican party provides against abortion. The Republican party knows though, that if the abortion issue was really finally solved, that would translate into losing hundreds of thousands of voters who no longer would have a reason to vote Republican. As such, Republicans provide just enough opposition to slow down abortion in order to get the anti-abortion vote but never so much opposition to abortion as to really end it.

Trump has also been a perfect example of this long running grift. As Fuentes has noted Trump is the first white race pimp. He has promised the moon but not delivered. Remember when Trump said in his debate with Biden;

“our elections are bad, and a lot of these illegal immigrants coming in, they’re trying to get them to vote,”

This was a dog whistle to whites that Trump saw the same replacement agenda that has been going on for decades. Trump hustled the white vote so much that the opposition never ceased in calling him “Nazi,” “White Supremacist,” and “KKK.” Yet once in office Trump has said repeatedly that we need more H1B workers because we lack the domestic talent (read “white people”) to do the jobs that need done. Trump has said we need more legal immigration. Here we see Trump, the race pimp. Promising the world to get elected but delivering nothing upon election. Oh, Trump, like all Republicans, will throw a bone here or there to his white base but always just with the purpose of keeping the white dupes on the Republican plantation.

The same is true of Trump’s whole “MAGA” persona. In real life though it is Make Israel Great Again, as Trump glories in being bequeathed with the sobriquet, “First American Jewish President,” as dished out by Mark Levin. Trump bemoans the dwindling power of the Jews in America;

One wonders why Trump doesn’t bemoan the dwindling power of Christians in America?

Trump’s affection for all things Bagel indicates that Trump, like all Presidents, was nothing but a Manchurian candidate. Not only has Trump been a race pimp but he’s also succeeded in being the best friend of Israel and the disgustingly stupid Evangelical Zionists.

Yet, despite all this the rank and file remain fast in matrix and the next time the vote is required the white folks will flock out to vote for the next Manchurian Republican candidate absolutely convinced that the little meat on the bones they are thrown is worth the surrendering of their souls.

One more example of this “giving people just enough to keep them impoverished” principle is found in the modern Evangelical Church. If one attends the average modern Evangelical Church they will get just enough Christianity to satisfy them but never so much as to cause them to question the Christianity of the church they are attending. Currently, it has become clear that there is a brewing, and roiling that is going on in the Evangelical/Reformed church. Young men are waking up to the fact that Christianity and the classical liberalism that has been woven into it are not mutually compatible. So, they go to these “churches” and they are given the soteriological realities of Christianity but always packaged in an Ana-Baptist framework. They are being given enough of the real thing to keep them satisfied but they are not being given all of historical Christianity (with its natural animus to Classical Liberalism, egalitarianism,  to nations as economic zones, and its historic embrace of the Ordo Amoris), and these young men are beginning to notice. It is here that the most difficulty is arising in keeping those who are awakening “down on the farm.” For whatever it worth, I think the next 10 years may find minor explosions in the varying “conservative” “Reformed” denominations.

The world is changing. People, at least in some areas, are realizing that they don’t have to live on the bones thrown to them.  People are realizing, at least in some areas, that they’ve been duped and played the fool and are becoming resolved to no longer play the fool.

For those who aren’t away of the change in the air;

You better start swimmin’ or you’ll sink like a stone
For the times, they are a-changin’

Responding To Rev. Joe Spurgeon’s Latest Attack Of The Vapors

“I’m saddened that we squandered both Trump’s election and Kirk’s assassination to spend all the time talking about Jews. No repentance. No turning to Christ. Our people turned to a black boss girl to give them Q anon in another form.”

Rev. Joseph Spurgeon

1.) Maybe Joe should repent for not talking more about the Christ-haters?

2.) Maybe Joe could connect the dots on how we might have leveraged Trump’s election and Kirk’s assassination together with the need to repent? Besides, I thought the televised Kirk lollapalooza was supposed to be evidence of all the repentance that was supposed to be happening?

3.) I think Joe needs to realize that before we can turn to Christ we must turn away from Bagels. That might require some more talking about.

4.) Joe sounds absolutely racist here? A black boss girl? Would it have been better if it had been a white boss girl Joe?

5.) Isn’t Joe talking about Jews in his comment here?

6.) Don’t miss the irony found in Joe’s concern for “our people.”

Gen. Z. & The Current Ecclesiastical Landscape

I write the below as one who has a son and sons-in-law whom I love who are just a few years older than the Gen. Z. parameters. I also have Gen. Z. chaps in the congregation I serve whom I also love and I witness the difficulties all these men are navigating.

Gen Z white males are done with being shamed and with the notion that they have anything for which to apologize . They’re tired of being treated like the villain in a movie they weren’t even alive to watch, let alone direct. Tired of being told they’re “privileged” while working three jobs and getting shut out of conversations because of their skin color. Tired of being insulted, shamed, and then expected to smile through it to avoid being called racist, fascist, or worse.

They just don’t care anymore. Call them “Racist.” Call them “Misogynist.” Call them “Anti-Semite.” Their response is more than likely going to be given with a quizzical look; “You say that like it’s a bad thing.” They don’t care about your words or what you think. You are irrelevant to them.
Some of us got to this point when Gen. Z were still in diapers. Some of us did the reading and knew the smegma that was being dished out as truth was indeed smegma. Even some of us Boomers long ago were made to walk the social disapproval plank. Some of us considered “Boomers” have done more “struggle sessions” than Jay Leno did guest hosting for Johnny Carson in the day. The result is that not only do we not care, but we who have lived with this shaming routine are absolutely full on nutcase hostile to ANYBODY who dares try to shame us or suggest that somehow we don’t know what we are talking about on any number of subjects that are the bete noire of the Cultural Marxist left.

As for Gen. Z likewise taking this disposition … well the preceding generations have earned their despite. The previous generations (notable exceptions notwithstanding) pushed and lobbed insult/shaming grenades at Gen. Z like they were Oompa Loompas tossing around Jelly Beans at the Willy Wonka factory. Nobody cares anymore. They’re over it. They don’t want your approval. In point of fact they are positively aghast at the notion that you might ever approve them. Take your approval and shove it up your southernmost aperture is their attitude.

Take just one example. There was a time when people would absolutely melt in protest if someone called you a “racist.” Those days are over. When Piers Morgan, in an interview, recently asked Gen. Z. rep Nick Fuentes; “Are you a racist,” Fuentes simply said “yeah, I’m a racist.”

Now I don’t think Fuentes did himself any favors but admitting to Piers Morgan that he was a racist. He should have said instead;

“Look Piers, in your cultural Marxist worldview I am indeed a racist. But I don’t share your worldview and in my Christian worldview I am a man who merely loves his own people first and foremost. I also am not afraid to commit the sin of noticing. However, my committing the sin of noticing  ia something you people from your generation find appalling. Now, I have all of Western civilization history up until 1960 or so on my side on this subject. You have the civil rights movement forward and now the fall of the West on your side. In light of that I have no problem with you wanting to label me a ‘racist.’ You call me a ‘racist,’ I call you an ‘idiot.’
You and your disapproval are just a few years away from the grave. Soon enough your disapproval…. your political correctness… your cultural Marxism … is going to be covered with dirt just like you.

You’ve lost … it’s just a matter of time before you come to accept it.”

The observations above are coming from someone, who, almost weekly, receives unexpected phone calls out of the blue from Gen. Z. types telling me about their latest “struggle session” with their “Elders” at their church, or I get a request to help someone start a church because all the churches in their area are “Piers Morgan like,” or I have young men (remember I’m 66 so it doesn’t take much for someone on the other end of the phone to be a ‘young man’) asking me; “what am I supposed to do in terms of church for myself and my family?” Monthly I take a phone call from a chap in Europe in this situation. He merely wants to know that someone with clerical authority is bleeding with him a little bit. Believe me I do. Recently, a chap from Australia (of all places) phoned asking the same question about what can be done when there are no decent churches.

On this issue the church and the clergy are a wasteland. I can count on my fingers the clergy I would in good conscience steer someone towards (And yes, some of them are even Baptist). Now, I’m confident that there are many more good clergy than I personally know of, but regardless the number is comparatively small.

Consistent with my observations above, the political philosopher Samuel T. Francis, offered over 30 years ago now;

“The institutional Christianity that flourishes today is no longer the same religion as that practiced by Charlemagne and his successors, and it can no longer support the civilization they formed. Indeed, organized Christianity today is the enemy of the West and the race that created it.”
Organized Institutional Christianity in order to be esteemed must be gazed upon from a mile away in order to admire it because the minute you get too close to the organized Institutional Christianity you begin to see how awful and dilapidated it really is. If anyone who is a true believer ever becomes a part of that organized Institutional Christianity they will not be able to last in it for very long due to the monumental gross hypocrisy, terrifying lack of intelligence, and stultifying indistinguishable mediocrity. No one with an ounce of self awareness or self respect can last long in the little shop of horrors that is now Institutional organized Christianity. Some of the best men on the planet that I personally call “friend” have been tossed because they embrace the Christianity that existed prior to 1960 or so.

If one could find a mythical organized central Headquarters of organized Institutional Christianity over the door that serves as the entryway would be the motto;

“Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here.”

So, Gen. Z has very few places to turn in terms of the Christian faith, and that truth should make strong men weep. I know it makes this weak man weep. I can’t say what the result of all this will be but, in the short term, it isn’t good. The highest hope I have is that new Reformed denominations might be started, yet, I know that is a uphill climb that requires a great deal.

Still, the Lord of the Harvest will not be left without His church and there will come a time when the Church will once again be healthy. Be of good cheer my friends for Christ has overcome the world.

The Madness Of R2K On The Question Of Christian Nationalism

I.) Rev. Chris Gordon asks;

“Does the Bible require Governments to be Christian?”

Dr. David Van Drunen answers;

“No…. I would say, Jesus does not want nations to be Christian Nations.”

Bret responds,

Yet in Psalm 2 we read God speaking to Magistrates;

Now therefore, be wise, O kings;
Be instructed, you judges of the earth.
11 Serve the Lord with fear,
And rejoice with trembling.
12 Kiss the Son, lest He be angry,
And you perish in the way,
When His wrath is kindled but a little.
Blessed are all those who put their trust in Him.

I’m pretty confident that this passage is teaching that God requires governments to be Christian or else, given that the idea of Kissing the Son communicates the idea of submission and fealty.

2.) But Van Drunen (DVD) goes beyond that. DVD insists that God does not want (is opposed to) nations being Christian nations. Now, if God does not want something, we would usually say that that something that God does not want is sin. If that is accurate (and I don’t see how it isn’t accurate) then nations being Christian nations would be sin and conversely nations not being Christian nations would be righteousness in God’s sight.

Abounding Grace Podcast
Discussion with David VanDrunen on Christian Nationalism, Stephen Wolfe & Doug Wilson
59:30f Time Stamp

II.) “If you find Nationalism attractive, I’m not on board with you, but go for it. Just don’t slap the adjective ‘Christian’ in front of it (Nationalism) because you then put yourself in danger of 3rd commandment violation by taking the Lord’s name in vain (by) attaching Christ to this and I would say that Christ does not want Christian nations.”

Dr. David Van Drunen

Time Stamp — 59:30f

Bret responds,

1.) Here we learn that to embrace the idea of “Christian” nations is a violation of “Thou Shalt Not Take The Name Of The Lord Thy God In Vain.” Conversely, by eschewing the idea of a nation owning Christ’s Kingship, as seen in the laws enacted and Biblical requirements that must be submitted for Magistrates to serve, it must be true that to do so would be to walk in holiness unto the Lord. That is, by not, as by design and pursuit, seeking to have a Christian nation one is at that point being an exemplary Christian living in a Christian nation.

2.) Keep in mind that DVD would use the same reasoning against those who would advocate for Christian families, Christian Law, or Christian Education (to name just a few). In each case and in all cases to use that word “Christian” as an adjective puts oneself in danger of third commandment violation.

III.) “I asked David Van Drunen a question that I believe goes right to the heart of this issue. I asked him what God would think of a nation whose magistrate and people had become overwhelmingly (and sincerely) Christian, and who decided to confess Christ in the common realm, in the formerly secular realm. I asked if God would be displeased with that, and Van Drunen said yes, he thought God would be displeased with that.”

Doug Wilson 
https://dougwils.com/books-and-culture/s7-engaging-the-culture/the-bozo-over-at-mablog.html

Bret responds,

If God would be displeased with what Wilson describes above the opposite must also be true and that is God would be pleased with a Christian people who decided not to confess Christ in the common realm, in the formerly secular realm.

This in turn means that God is pleased with a realm existing that does not seek to honor Him in all things.

Quite to the contrary we would insist that God intends for all the nations of the world to one day confess Christ – and that prior to His return. This is the promise of Scripture where the Holy Spirit teaches that “Christ must reign until He puts all things under His feet.” Nation would be one of the all things. The last thing the Lord Jesus Christ said was the command to “make disciples of all nations.” If a nation is discipled as unto Christ, thus fulfilling the great commission command, how can that nation not be considered Christian?

R2K consistently denies the idea of Christian nationalism and yet Scripture repeatedly demonstrates that even in the new Jerusalem we find the existence of Christian nations. They come into the new Jerusalem as Christian nations because they were Christian as nation prior to their entry into the new Jerusalem.