Category: Ethnic considerations

“Mother Jones” “TheoBros,” & One Related Tangent

I spent two posts dismissing Rev. Chris Gordon’s dismissal of Christian Nationalism/Post-millennialism, only to read today a “Mother Jones” article that is seeking to warn everybody about the rise of what Gordon says is a dying movement. As odd as it may sound it seems both “Mother Jones” and I agree on something vis-a-vis Chris Gordon.

To Understand JD Vance, You Need to Meet the “TheoBros”

The “Mother Jones” article is worth a read in my opinion. What is most interesting about the “Mother Jones” piece is that this traditionally liberal rag gives the movement that Gordon so eschews a more objective take than most people like Gordon and the ilk from the Reformed-Evangelical world give the movement. Now, to be sure, “Mother Jones” is opposed to the movement and it’s article is seeking to “expose” the movement as something dangerous, but even despite that obvious slant there is in the piece a more even handed approach to what is being reported on then can be found from the likes of Chris Gordon and his R2K/Pietistic Baptist fellow travelers.

You can read the article for yourself if you please. However, there is one point I want to draw attention to and that is the label “Mother Jones” gives the movement. The label “Mother Jones” gives is “The Theobros.” Now, the problem I have with this handle is that it subtly implies that “The Theobros” are brothers who are uniquely operating according to a common theology. The beef here is, is that those who are opposed “The Theobros,” like “Mother Jones” are themselves also Theobros, in the sense that their militant opposition to “The Theobros” is based on a shared theology. It is not as if “The Theobros” are unique in being bonded together by their shared theology. When bond are bonded together a key factor in their being bonded together for a particular cause is a theology that makes them Theobros.

I point this out because I am convinced that underneath this labeling is the idea that people can be scared of “The Theobros” movement for the precise reason that they are caricatured as religious extremists, when in point of fact it is the Marxist Theobros opposing “The Theobros” who are the religious extremists.

If I may, I will only give one critique of “The Theobros.” This critique is not based on the article, though the article, if read closely, I think lends credence to this critique. My critique of “The Theobros” movement is that it is not self-referentially consistent. Now, some are clearly better than others among “The Theobros” but there are many in this movement who are only interested in taking half-measures, half-taken. The remedy that many in this movement are offering will not cure the disease.  So, even if they are successful, I do not think that we, as a Christian nation, will be much better off. Oh, we may be better off for a season but the basic trajectory this nation is on will not be altered.  The one way I could be wrong on this is if “The Theobros” movement is muting their voices because they know that, politically speaking, they can not say the quiet parts out loud. In brief, I do think that many of them are trying to move the Overton Window but they are not moving it yet past what is still considered acceptable by those on the right side of the left. As I noted, this may be merely a tactic rather than a conviction.

This brings me to a tangent that while unrelated to the “Mother Jones” article remains related to the subject as a whole.

Recently, I was talking to someone I am fairly confident would be considered a “Theobros.” During the conversation he said that he did not like the methodology of Kinism. As someone who knows a little bit about Kinism I asked him if he could be precise as to what this methodology of Kinism is to which he objects.

He replied by noting two things that I would like to spill a few sentence examining.

First he said, “That I don’t like how Kinists say that inter-racial marriage is sin.”

I must admit that I find this flummoxing. It is true that there are some few Kinists who say that all inter-racial marriage is sin. However, there are also even more Kinists who do not say that all inter-racial marriages are sin always all the time. There are more than a few Kinists, like myself, who merely say that while inter-racial marriages can be sin, they are not necessarily always sin but are normatively, as the higher statistical averages on the divorce rate for inter-racial couples bear out, not wise, and so these Kinists strongly counsel against such marriages, stopping short of labeling it as “always sin.”

https://www.thehivelaw.com/blog/interracial-divorce-rates-what-percentage-of-interracial-marriages-end-in-divorce/

My conversation partner’s protest then was not valid on this point.

His second reason for “not liking the methodology of Kinism,” was his being wedded to the theory of Natural Law. He doesn’t like the fact that Kinists, often (though not always) being theonomists, find Natural Law theory ridiculous. I sought to assure him that some Kinists might well embrace Natural Law while still being Kinists. This objection of his to “so called” Kinist methodology is even more non-weighty than his first objection. If one desires to embrace Natural Law while embracing Kinism nobody is going to tear up your Kinist membership card though you may be challenged on that particular point as a side-bar discussion.

What I see has happened is that the word “Kinism” has been turned into a “boogeyman.” Just as people are scared of being tagged with the word “racist,” or “anti-semite,” or “homophobic” so they have been convinced that being labeled with the opprobrium of “Kinist” is the worst thing in the world to happen. However, like the other words just mentioned, people do not realize that they are being manipulated to operate in the world view of those who are slinging the accusations. Since otherwise decent people are being stampeded into avoiding the left hurling these words at them, people begin to operate in such a way as to avoid these empty-minded pejoratives and in their mad rush to avoid these slurs these otherwise decent people operate in terms of their enemy’s world and life view.

Given the world and life view of God’s enemies and our enemies there is not necessarily or automatically any sin in being what they call “racist” or “anti-semite,” or “homophobe” or even “Kinist.” These are just words used to manipulate people into accepting their Cultural Marxist Weltanschauung (Worldview). If we are going to be successful in resisting the Cultural Marxists we need to get used to the way they hurl these words at us and reply with something like;

“Well, I’m sure to someone who is a Cultural Marxist like yourself your accusations make sense, and honestly, were I a Cultural Marxist like you I might say the same, but since I am not a Cultural Marxist, but instead am a Christian, I do not share the premise behind your accusations, and so find your accusations to be folly. I do not take your accusations seriously in the least.”

Christian Nationalism & A Book List To Break The Spell Of The Post-WW II Consensus

It seems to be pretty well recognized that in order to see reality for what it is one has to get rid of the Post WW II narrative that has been foisted upon the West. More and more people are beginning to realize that the Death of the West is guaranteed as long as the West continues to accept the mythology surrounding WW II.

One of the major myths of the post-war consensus is the evil of any kind of Nationalism. The post-war consensus tells us that Nationalism = Fascism. Dumb Christians take this idea up and summarily condemn all forms of Nationalism. This is very convenient because the only alternative to Nationalism is some kind of Internationalism, whether that of Empire, Globalist, or Communist — none of which are particularly Christians since they each and all guarantee a statist centralism that is foreign to the Scriptures. The Scriptures instead give us decentralized Jurisdictionalism wherein within the confine of nation by nation  (people group by people group) the interdependent jurisdictions of family, church, and diverse civil social orders. This kind of nationalism  might well be referred to as regionalist nationalism.

In the Christian community we have Dr. Stephen Wolfe for bringing the idea of Christian Nationalism back into our consciousness. Now, there are significant areas I disagree with Dr. Wolfe on (can you say Natural Law theory?) but no one can doubt that Dr. Wolfe has driven the conversation.

However, long before Dr. Wolfe was on the scene the Kinists were doing the spade work for Christian Nationalism since Christian Nationalism is the inevitable consequence of a Biblical Kinism. One cannot thump for Biblical Kinism and not be four-square in favor of Christian Nationalism. Indeed a banner argument for Kinism from the beginning is that the Scriptures affirm the necessity and presence of self-conscious Nations — Nations that continue to exist beyond the resurrection so as to be found entering the New Jerusalem in Revelation 21.

The post WW II narrative has sought to choke the air out of this cornerstone Biblical observation regarding peoples and nations. The sad thing is that “Legion” is the name of the Christians who have embraced this anti-Christ egalitarian WOKE doctrine even arguing that the Church should lead the way in “all colors bleeding into one,” by chanting ad-nauseum their derelict and retarded handling of Galatians 3 that “in Christ there is neither male for female, Jew nor Greek, slave or free.”

There is a good deal of work to be repeated (because, frankly, the work has already been done) in both the area of Biblical exegesis and in the area of revisionist history of WW II mythical narrative dogma. It is the case that both a significantly errant reading of Scripture and a significantly errant reading of history has brought us to the place we are at.

With that in mind I offer a reading list for those interested in awaking from the spell cast upon them that put them in their dogmatic slumbers.  In many other places on Iron Ink I have already dealt with the exegetical end of Christian Nationalism. With this reading list I deal with the propaganda that we’ve all been fed since the beginning of WW II.

Here are just some of the books I have read over the years that account for why I don’t buy the WW II narrative propaganda;

The order is random

1.) Pearl Harbor: The Seeds & Fruits of Infamy – Percy L. Greaves Jr.

2.) The Backdoor to War — Charles Callan Tansill
3.) Churchill’s War — III Volumes — David Irving
4.) Hitler’s War — II Volumes – David Irving
5.) Freedom Betrayed — Herbert Hoover
6.) Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace – Harry Elmer Barnes
7.) FDR Goes to War — Burton W. Folsom Jr. Anita Folsom
8.) Roosevelt’s Road to Russia – George N. Crocker
9.) “Stalin’s Secret War” — Nikolai Tolstoy
10.) Other Losses — James Bacque
11.) The Roosevelt Myth — John T. Flynn
12.) American Betrayal — Diana West
13.) FDR, The Other Side of the Coin; How We are Tricked into WW II — Hamilton Fish
14.) FDR; My Exploited Father-in-Law — Curtis B. Dall
15.) How Britain Initiated Both World Wars — Nick Kollerstrom
16.)The Chief Culprit: Stalin’s Grand Design to Start World War II —  Viktor Suvorov

Be careful though. If you see through the Post World War II Narrative you will be hated by all should you offer your knowledge of the matter.

Observations on White Boy Summer

I find it more and more the case that when Doug Wilson hates anything I find myself loving it — and make no mistake about it Doug Wilson hates “White Boy Summer” as seen in his cringe mocking attempt by labeling it “White Soy Bummer.” You know what they say about Liberals don’t you? They rightly observe that Liberals just don’t have a sense of humor, and Doug’s sense of humor regarding White Boy Summer amounts to a Ebenezer Scrooge “Bah Humbug.” Doug is being a grumpy old man.

Despite all the angst and chagrin coming from Doug and his lackey CREC sycophants (Toby Sumpter, Gabriel Rench, Chocolate Knox, Darren Doane etc.) White Boy Summer is here to stay. That is a good thing.

It is a good thing because “White Boy Summer” has become a rallying point especially for White Christian males who have finally decided that they refuse to eat anymore fecal sandwiches being served up by the burgeoning pagan culture, which is hell bound determined to blame the woes of the minority world on white people and the 1500 year old Christian theology and culture that together with his God ordained genetics made the white man the towering figure of world history. Let’s be honest here… it is not just pagan culture that is serving up the fecal sandwiches to Western Christian White men. It is also much of the visible Church in the West, including those expressions that like to think of themselves as “Conservative.”

“White Boy Summer” communicates that the embers of Western Christian Civilization still burn hot beneath the blackened ash that was once a raging fire that nurtured and warmed the whole globe. Those who have eyes to see can see that if the New World Order globalists/Satanists are to be defeated, they can only be defeated by the battalions that are beginning to form around the banner of White Boy Summer.

What White Boy Summer has done to propel itself into the National spotlight (shoot, even taking Lugenpresse head, Joy Reid — she of MSPMS fame–  mentioned the great racist danger that is White Boy Summer) is that it has pulled some jiu jitsu on the Cultural Marxists. The Cultural Marxists have been complaining for a couple decades (at least) about how evil the white man is. Books have been written by putative Academics like  Robin DiAngelo, Ibram X. Kendi, and Henry Louis Gates Jr. criminalizing and demeaning whites and whiteness. This attack on whites and whiteness has always been a clever proxy war against Christianity. These authors and their copycats understood that what made the white man so evil was that he was perfumed with Christianity. However, the Cultural Marxists understood that their cause would be better served to attack white people than to wage a frontal assault on Christianity. So, the proxy war against Christianity has been fought by the Cultural Marxists by attacking white people and whiteness. The jiu jitsu that the White Boy Summer crew has used on the Cultural Marxists is to take the proxy war against Christianity that has been waged against white people and turn it so that a proxy defense of Christianity is being fought by defending white people. White Boy Summer is indeed defending White People (it is good to be White, after all) but in defending White people the higher purpose is to defend Christ and Gospel Christianity.

The Cultural Marxists decided long ago to make White people the target so as to bring down Christian Western Civilization. The slogan “White Boy Summer” is the response. It is a subtle but unmistakable flipping of the table. White Boy Summer is saying to the Cultural Marxists, “You decided to attack Christ by attacking the people most perfumed with Christ. We have decided to meet you on the field of battle by defending Christ by defending the people, who throughout history have been, by God’s grace alone, perfumed with Christ.”

White Boy Summer then is a movement that has finally decided to fight back against those who have been seeking to “make Western Culture stink” for several generations.

Of course, the 95 IQ types jump up and down hollering “racist, fascist, bigot, blah blah blah” and this even though the White Boy Summer chaps have resolutely pointed out that all peoples are welcome to celebrate White Boy Summer just so long as they can honestly celebrate the Christianity that created White Anglo Saxon Protestant culture.

I have a friend in Europe who isn’t white and he constantly tells me that what he most earnestly wishes to do is to come alongside and support the work of heritage Europeans who share a White Boy Summer Christian world and life view. He doesn’t want to be the leader. He wants to support the white leaders who will be working to return the white man to the oaths of allegiance to Christ that they swore long ago.

So, there are minorities who understand and celebrate the superiority of historic white culture and the Christianity that accounts for it, and they certainly welcome to celebrate. At the same time there are cascades of white people who are self-haters because of their hatred of Christ. Part of this is accounted for by the propaganda that we are inundated with as delivered up by the Cultural Marxists. Part of this accounted for by the education that we submerge our children in from grade school to University and beyond. Part of this accounted for by lousy “conservative” churches and “clergy.” Instead of manfully fighting for Christ and their Christian people and family much of the clergy has cast their lot with the enemies of Christ and the enemies of White Boy Summer.

It really is incredible that the clergy in the West doesn’t understand the implications of the fifth commandment. It is stunning that they glide over Romans 9 where Paul speaks so highly of his own wayward people, demonstrating a natural affection for his people. It is shocking that the clergy today miss the direct statement of I Timothy 5:8 about responsibility to kin. It is bewildering that today’s clergy completely elide by Revelation 21-22 where we see all those Nations in their Nations entering into the new Jerusalem. Finally, it is nothing but a resolved historical ignorance that keeps the “conservative” clergy from acknowledging that all the Church Fathers would have been celebrants of White Boy Summer given their quotes that have been exhaustively documented.

What else can we say that most clergy and churches in the West are literally on the wrong side of history? By refusing to own movements like Kinism, White Boy Summer, and Christian Nationalism, etc. the churches and clergy of the West are anathematizing themselves. In God’s words they are “worse than an infidel (I Tim. 5:8).”

Let’s close by clearing something up. Recently, Joel Webbon and a couple other chaps did a podcast where Webbon said;

“Older theonomists are not fans of White Boy Summer.”
Joel Webbon
There are not many theonomists anymore who are much older than me and I love me some White Boy Summer. Indeed, I have to say that all the theonomists I know who are my age, give or take 15 years, love White Boy Summer. All Kinists, regardless of their age, love White Boy Summer, and  see White Boy Summer as an extension of Kinism.
I think Webbon sees guys like Sandlin and Doug Wilson carping about White Boy Summer and he concludes that guys like that are typical theonomists.
They ARE NOT. typical theonomists. Indeed, it is doubtful that they are theonomists at all. Indeed, both Sandlin and Wilson long ago left the Rushdoonian theonomy world. Anyone who has listened to and read  Rushdoony (the Grand-Daddy of theonomy) knows that on the whole Rushdoony would have saluted White Boy Summer. This is especially true of the early Rushdoony.
So as an older theonomist, I salute the White Boy Summer crew and say “Party on Garth.”

 

Doug Wilson on How the White Romans Killed Jesus

“But if for some reason you are looking for the instrumental cause, the Romans were the ones who killed Him. To be more specific, white Romans were the culprits (Mark 15:15).”

Rev. Doug Wilson 
Pope of the CREC

*It is true that white Romans were the instrumental cause of Christ’s death.

 
*The Scripture though, lays the blame at the feet of the Jews who were the efficient cause of Christ’s death;

Acts 2:22 “Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a Man [u]attested to you by God with [v]miracles and wonders and [w]signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know— 23 this Man, delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of [x]godless men and put Him to death.

And again,

I Thessalonians 2:14 For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of the churches of God in Christ Jesus that are in Judea, for you also endured the same sufferings at the hands of your own countrymen, even as they did from the Jews, 15 who both killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and [r]drove us out. [s]They are not pleasing to God, [t]but hostile to all people, 16 hindering us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved; with the result that they always [u]reach the limit of their sins. But wrath has come upon them [v]fully.

 
* Keep in mind that the Scripture records that for the White Romans Jesus prayed; “Father forgive them for they know not what they do.” The implication here is that the Jews did know what they were doing by crucifying their Messiah.

* This looks to me like Doug Wilson is trying to lessen the responsibility that the Scripture squarely places on the Jews for crucifying their Messiah by seeking to broaden the blame so that the Jews are seen as not being any more culpable than the “White Romans for murdering Jesus, the Christ.

While it is true, and must be preached, that it was the sin of all God’s elect of all races that crucified the Lord of glory, that fact does not make it less true that the Scripture records as a matter of historical fact that the Jews are the ones who God held culpable for crucifying their Messiah.

The good news of the Gospel is that this generational sin can be forgiven of all men, inclusive of Jew and Gentile, who sue for peace with God, in faith, by agreeing with and believing God’s record that Jesus can forgive their sin — both personal and corporate. Jesus has said… “Come unto me all ye who labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest.” This is true for both Jew and Gentile.

Now, having said that, why does Doug Wilson continue to seek to diminish the guilt and responsibility of the Jews for crucifying their Messiah — and this in the face of the Scripture’s clear testimony to the contrary?

And let’s keep in mind that there are at least some Jews who pass all this off as a matter of their stand up comedy routine;

It is interesting here that Sarah Silverman says that “many people try to pass it (the crucifixion of Christ) off on the Romans.” This is exactly what Doug Wilson is trying to do.

From the Mailbag… Rachelle Smith Writes For Help Defending Kinism — Part II

Pastor Geoff writes,

Is he just saying Italians are good at pasta and Indians at curry?

Bret responds,
“No.”

Pastor Geoff writes,

Is he saying we should remain distinct based on physiological differences? If he is arguing for a separation of the races (which he does in other posts and comments), then he is dividing the family of God into unbiblical distinctives and is teaching something contrary to the gospel (Acts 17:26; Rom. 3:29; 1 Cor. 12:12-13; Gal. 3:28; Gal. 2:12, 14; Rev. 5:9). Though his conclusion is not clear based only on this article, his other writings make abundantly clear what his objective is.

Bret responds,

Here the wheels finally completely come off of this chap’s argument.

I am dividing the family of God by merely suggesting that men should honor God’s distinctions among races? If I am, look what good company I am in Rachelle.

This from A. W. Tozer. One of my 20th century heroes in the faith;

“You can’t change my mind about God having made us the way we are. The yellow man and the white man and the black man. God made our races. I know the Marxists and the bubbleheads say: “Oh, that’s old-fashioned baloney! Everybody should get together and intermarry and pretty soon there won’t be races, and where there are no races there won’t be any hate, and if there’s no hate, there won’t be any war.” Oh, for cotton batting to stuff in the mouths of people who don’t know better than that!…

Let me remind you of the warbler, almost universally distributed in this country, and will you believe that there are 120 species of this bird called the warbler in the United States? One hundred and twenty varieties, with only the slightest differences of feather, or wing, or stripe or spot. In these 120 varieties, we are told, there is no crossing the line, they mate within their own racial strain, hatch and have little ones. Nobody puts them through college, but when they get big enough to hop out on the edge of the nest and begin looking for another warbler, they always pick one

like themselves, and stay within their own strain.

Now, you get a Communist or a starry-eyed American fellow traveler working on that, and he will say: “That’s an evidence of race hate, and it’s a proof those warblers hate each other!” Hate each other – your grandmother’s nightcap! They don’t quarrel, they never fight, they just go on living and warbling. They’ve got sense enough to know that God made 120 kinds of warblers just for fun to show what He could do, and He doesn’t mean for them to cross over and make one warbler out of 120!”

Or we could learn from another Christian minister who was theologically quite different from Tozer. In context here this minister is explaining why a denomination is splitting. Note the reasons that he gives/

Causes of Separation in 1973 (PCA separates from PCUS)

John Edwards Richards

  • The Socialist, who declares all men are equal.  Therefore there must be a great leveling of humanity and oneness of privilege and possession.
  • The Racial Amalgamationist, who preaches that the various races should be merged into one race and differences erased in oneness.
  • The Communist, who would have one mass of humanity coerced into oneness by a totalitarian state and guided exclusively by Marxist philosophy.
  • The Internationalist, who insists on co-existence between all peoples and nations that they be as one regardless of ideology or history.

    John Edwards Richards, who was one of the founders of the Presbyterian Church in America could write elsewhere;

    “No human can measure the anguish of personality that goes on within the children of miscegenation… Let those who would erase the racial diversity of God’s creation beware lest the consequence of their evil be visited upon their children.”

    John Edwards Richards
    One of the founders of the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA)

    Finally Dr. Edwards adds,

    “The vast majority of good thinking people prefer to associate with, and intermarry with, people of their respective race; this is part of the God-given inclination to honor and uphold the distinctiveness of separate races. But there are many false prophets of oneness, and many shallow stooges, who seek to force the amalgamation of the races.” ~

    Dr. John E. Richards


So your “Pastor” Geoff says I am dividing the family of God into un-biblical distinctives and yet all of Church history screams with me that your Pastor Geoff is advocating a historically Marxist position. Maybe I will refer to him as “Red Geoff” the rest of the way? I know Red Geoff doesn’t intend to be doing the work of the devil, he doesn’t intend to contribute to the destruction of Western Civilization, and he only intends to be full of roses and pussy willows, but “Red Geoff” is just another “Pastor Lovejoy” of “The Simpsons” fame. What “Red Geoff” intends to do and what he is doing are opposed like heaven and hell.

“Red Geoff” says I am dividing the family of God into un-biblical distinctives. I have a number of Christian friends that belong to different races. They are kinists like myself. We have no barrier to fellowship. Being a Kinist does not divide the family of God. It merely recognizes these God ordained creaturely distinctives are God ordained. All because I might worship with a Mongolian Christian doesn’t mean I should think that our children should marry?

Theologian Dr. John Frame speaks to your “Red Geoff”

“Scripture, as I read it, does not require societies, or even churches, to be integrated racially. Jews and Gentiles were brought together by God’s grace into one body. They were expected to love one another and to accept one another as brothers in the faith. But the Jewish Christians continued to maintain a distinct culture, and house churches were not required to include members of both groups.”

John Frame,
“Racism, Sexism, Marxism”


“Pastor Geoff continues on”

and (Pastor Bret) is teaching something contrary to the gospel (Acts 17:26; Rom. 3:29; 1 Cor. 12:12-13; Gal. 3:28; Gal. 2:12, 14; Rev. 5:9).

Bret responds,

Rachelle, your “Pastor Geoff” choosing these text suggests to me that you should not be entrusting your souls to his teaching. Choosing these texts to try and prove his point is a example of badly handling Scripture. Let’s consider these one by one;

1.) Acts 17:26 And He has made from one man every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings,

One man… many nations. Keep in mind that nations in the NT understanding means “a descent from a common patriarch.” This text supports my position Rachelle and not Pastor Geoff’s.

2.) 1 Cor. 12:12 For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.

a.) Note it is Jews and Greeks how are Baptized into one body. Do you suppose that after Baptism they were no longer Jews and Greeks?

b.) One body… many members, which is exactly what I am advocating. One body comprised of many member nations.

c.) Of course this is speaking in terms of spiritual realities. Arguing that we lose our racial/ethnic distinctives because we are baptized into one body would necessitate that we also argue that we lose our gender identity because we are baptized into one body.

d.) St. Paul is speaking here of unity in Christ. There is a distinction between unity in Christ and a uniformity where all Christians wear some form of Mao suits because, after all, we are all one.

e.) With all believers everywhere, regardless of race, sex, or class, I am a member of the one body of Christ. However, as members in one musical band are all members in that one band not all are Trumpets, not all are Bassoons, not all are Saxophones or Piccolos. They are distinct yet complimentary. The same is true of the body of Christ. There are many parts (races/ethnicities) but one body.

3.) Gal. 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

https://ironink.org/2021/03/galatians-326f-the-indiscriminate-nature-of-the-gospel-and-the-foolishness-of-social-egalitarianism/

https://ironink.org/2012/06/galatians-328-egalitarianism/

4.) Galatians 2:12, 14;

https://ironink.org/2022/11/galatians-21-10-paul-titus-the-issue-of-circumcision/

https://ironink.org/2022/11/galatians-211-21/

5.) Revelation 5:9

9 And they sang a new song, saying:

“You are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,

I completely affirm this. God will have a redeemed people from all peoples of the world throughout time. However, all the Kinist observes is that people are saved as God’s work in saving peoples. I now this is true Rachelle, because in the same book of Revelation we read that the nations come into the new Jerusalem as in their nations and that their the nations are all healed

Revelation 21:24 And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it.

22:4 The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Nations as nations are all over the book of Revelation. We should not be surprised by this for as Theologian Dr. Martin Wyngaarden noted;

“Now the predicates of the covenant are applied in Isa. 19 to the Gentiles of the future, — “Egypt my people, and Assyria, the work of my hands, and Israel, mine inheritance,” Egypt, the people of “Jehovah of hosts,” (Isa. 19:25) is therefore also expected to live up to the covenant obligations, implied for Jehovah’s people. And Assyria comes under similar obligations and privileges. These nations are representative of the great Gentile world, to which the covenant privileges will, therefore, be extended.”

Martin J. Wyngaarden, The Future of the Kingdom in Prophecy and Fulfillment: A Study of the Scope of “Spiritualization” in Scripture (Eugene: Wipf & Stock, 2011), p. 94.

And again,


“More than a dozen excellent commentaries could be mentioned that all interpret Israel as thus inclusive of Jew and Gentile, in this verse, — the Gentile adherents thus being merged with the covenant people of Israel, though each nationality remains distinct.”


“For, though Israel is frequently called Jehovah’s People, the work of his hands, his inheritance, yet these three epithets severally are applied not only to Israel, but also to Assyria and to Egypt: “Blessed be Egypt, my people, and Assyria, the work of my hands, and Israel, mine inheritance.”


Thus the highest description of Jehovah’s covenant people is applied to Egypt, — “my people,” — showing that the Gentiles will share the covenant blessings, not less than Israel. Yet the several nationalities are here kept distinct, even when Gentiles share, in the covenant blessing, on a level of equality with Israel. Egypt, Assyria, and Israel are not nationally merged. And the same principles, that nationalities are not obliterated, by membership in the covenant, applies, of course, also in the New Testament dispensation.”

Martin Wyngaarden

The Future of the Kingdom in Prophecy and Fulfillment: A Study of the Scope of “Spiritualization” in Scripture — pp. 101-102.

But I suppose “Red Geoff” says every freaking Christian theologian before him were sinning by “dividing the body of Christ?”

“Red Geoff’s” problem, is the same problem of nearly all modern and contemporary clergy. That problem is that they can only think in terms of the individual. They have completely lost corporate categories. Clergy did not always think this way and Reformed clergy who are genuinely Reformed have NEVER thought this way. I’ve given plenty of examples already, but here is another one from a great Doctor of the Church of a past era;

Romans 11:17, 19, with its “branches broken off” metaphor has frequently been viewed as proof of the relativity and changeability of election, and it is pointed out that at the end of vs. 23, the Gentile Christians are threatened with being cut off in case they do not continue in the kindness of God. But wrongly. Already this image of engrafting should have restrained such an explanation. This image is nowhere and never used of the implanting of an individual Christian, into the mystical body of Christ by regeneration. Rather, it signifies the reception of a racial line or national line into the dispensation of the covenant or their exclusion from it. This reception of course occurs by faith in the preached word, and to that extent, with this engrafting of a race or a nation, there is also connected the implanting of individuals into the body of Christ. The cutting off, of course, occurs by unbelief; not, however, by the unbelief of person who first believed, but solely by the remaining in unbelief of those who, by virtue of their belonging to the racial line, should have believed and were reckoned as believers. So, a rejection ( = multiple rejections) of an elect race is possible, without it being connected to a reprobation of elect believers. Certainly, however, the rejection of a race or nation involves at the same time the personal reprobation of a sequence of people. Nearly all the Israelites who are born and die between the rejection of Israel as a nation and the reception of Israel at the end times appear to belong to those reprobated. And the thread of Romans 11:22 (of being broken off) is not directed to the Gentile Christians as individual believers but to them considered racially.”

Geerhardus Vos
Dogmatic Theology Vol. 1 – pg. 118

Red Geoff writes;

I found the Iron Ink blog and looked around at the content. And I want to say in no uncertain terms that this man is not behaving as a Christian.

Bret responds,

Here Red Geoff goes from being jejune to being just not nice. I’m telling you Rachelle, my feelings are so hurt now that I just don’t know how I can go on.

Allow me to return volley here. Red Geoff is wearing the robes of anti-Christ. He is being an apostle of Marx. Red Geoff is calling evil, “good,” and good, “evil,” and unless he repents his soul is in mortal danger.

All the evidence from Church history is on my side Rachelle. All the Biblical evidence, when not handled like a starving rat handles the meat when set loose in a butcher shop, is on my side. I am merely holding what the church has taught in all times and in all places where God has been pleased to grant the Church orthodoxy.

If your “Pastor Geoff” wants to sling around this kind of language then he should spend the time in finding all the quotes from Church history that supports his universalist humanist position. He might find some, but those he finds will be from Anabaptist nutcases as combined with the heretic Cathari, Albigensians, and Bogomils.

If I am not behaving like a Christian, Red Geoff is behaving like a madman.

Red Geoff writes,

He is unapologetically a kinist which is patently and obviously against the Bible’s teaching of the unity of the body of Christ.

Bret responds,

1.) Actually, to be precise, I am unapologetically a Christian – Kinism is just a part of basic Christianity.

2.) Patently and obviously against the Bible’s teaching of the unity of the body of Christ? LOL… only when looking through the lenses of racial Marxism. Quite to the contrary it is Red Geoff who is sitting the Scriptures on their head and making them say on this subject the exact opposite of what they do say.

Rachelle Smith writes,

He (Geoff) links to articles like, “Top Ten Reasons ‘Anti Semite’ Is a Compliment” in which the writer tries to redefine the term to make it ok.

Bret responds,

Well, when anti-Semite is now defined as “anyone who disagrees with a Jew” then, yeah, I have no problem with being “anti-semite.” Honestly, the sting of these names cast at me as coming from leftists, anti-Christs, have completely lost their sting. I respond now typically just by shrugging my shoulders and saying, “whatever, you idiot.” Imagine how bad St. Augustine would feel when insulted by a Manichean and you can begin to grasp how little this bothers me.

RS writes quoting Red Geoff,

He (Bret) equates kinism with the rejection of Darwinian social evolution, but in fact is a rejection of the texts I listed above. I am not saying things too strongly when I say this man (Bret) is teaching poison that will only serve to divide the body of Christ.

Bret responds,

This man is a 5 year old searching for a lost toy with a lighter in an ammo dump.

Red Geoff destroys the meaning of God’s word and then turns around and declared that I am rejecting the texts that he ham-fistedly offered as “proof,” of a position that is neither supported by Scripture, nor by two thousand years of Church history.

RS quoting Red Geoff

I would strongly encourage you to remove yourselves from the mailing list of this blog and not allow yourself to be influenced by such a man.
Bret responds,

Well, given that you have corresponded with me, after Red Geoff’s counsel, I see that you utterly rejected his counsel. Good for you.

RS quoting Red Geoff,

Though not everything he says is without merit (of course), he will not encourage you to embrace the body of Christ which is one and does not recognize distinctions of value and/or belonging based on race.

Bret responds,

Rachelle, I could only hope for you that you would have as many Christian non-Caucasian friends as I have. I have one chap who lives in Europe who phones me monthly who is perhaps, more a kinist than I’ll ever be. I have a Christian friend on the East Coast who I speak to every once in a while who is a kinist. I have a Filipino friend online who has been very generous to us over the years. We are all Kinists and we all belong to different people groups. We all understand that we are one in Christ but we also understand that our oneness in Christ does not destroy our creational distinctions.

You Pastor is not a wise man. That is my nice way of saying he is an idiot. You should flee for the good of your soul from this Pastoral hack.

RS writes quoting Red Geoff,

In fact, knowing you are sympathetic to such a man could serve to greatly alienate brothers and sisters in our current church and cause tremendous division. I’d be happy to sit down with you to talk through these things in more detail. Hope I didn’t say it too strongly. Love you lots.

Bret responds

Dear sweet Rachelle, I am sorry that you are now in this position. It takes great courage to swim upstream. You and your husband will have to decide what to do from here. I can tell you, that it is unlikely that you will find any other Church or clergy member who will be any better than your Red Geoff. So, you can keep these beliefs on the down low and get along, or you can sever yourself from this body and be lonely, like tons of people I know, who refuse to compromise on this issue.

However, Biblical Christianity, and so Kinism, will one day win out. Reality cannot be ignored without eventually snapping back.

If I can be of any more service to you and your husband let me know. Write me. Phone me. I am available to minister to you as I can.

The Blessings of Christ be upon you and your Kin,

Pastor Bret