Pope Doug Attempts To Gaslight on the Bagels… McAtee Demurs

Here we find a roundtable discussion w/ Pope Doug I of the CREC. His discussion partner is primarily Andrew Isker with a couple other guys thrown in for optics.

In this discussion Wilson is defending his unrelenting and indefatigable defense of the Bagels for which he is now becoming famous. There is no doubt that Wilson has become a bulldog for philo-Semitism.

Wilson defends the Bagels by arguing (and here I am paraphrasing);

“Well, you have to understand, that the Bagels are a high performance people and as high performance the Bagels are going to be very very bad and very very “good,” depending on which way they roll, and therefore the good Bagels cancel out all the evil Bagels so that we have a wash.” 

The problem here is that the high performance Bagel Heart Surgeons, Violinists, and Commodity traders that Wilson alludes to can never balance out the high performance Bagels who have murdered, in the 20th century alone, upwards of a 100 million people.

We can’t stop there though, we must take into account the pornography industry in the West which was predominantly created and sustained by the Bagels. Following that we have the reality of the Morgans, Rothschilds, Warburgs, and Schiffs as the Bankster class who have funded wars and stolen property. We needs mention also Hollywood which was so bad in the Jews (Bagels) corrupting the morals of Americans that they were forced into complying with a moral code (Hays code) under the threat of being bankrupted by the Roman Catholic Church in its stance against the Bagel vileness on film. That lasted until the early 1960s when the Bagel was able to throw that yoke off of them, resulting in filth upon filth being hoisted on the silver screen.

We shouldn’t slow down on this score unless we mention the Bagel Philosophers who have done so much for the West. Consider that Marx, Red Rosa Luxemburg, Marcuse, Adorno, Simone Weil, Betty Friedan, and countless others whose anti-Christ “philosophy” has destroyed the West were Bagels.

Does Pope Doug really want to suggest that the high performance Bagels on the good side of the balance cancel out all the evil of the high performance Bagels who over centuries have done their flat level best to kill as many White Christians as they can?

Does Pope Doug really want to look at Church History and tell Augustine, Chrysostom, Luther, Calvin, etc. that they each and all had it wrong when it came to the Bagels? Is Wilson really going to try and tell those lads that “Jeepers guys, if only you had understood that the Bagels were high performance for good also.”

 

They would laugh in his face with Luther lobbing a choice epithet in Wilson’s direction.

As the conversation continues, Rev. Andrew Isker, who does not share Pope Doug’s convictions tries to throw in a “yeah, but” every so often but it is clear (at least to me) that Isker was invited to this conversation not to strongly put forth the counter point to Wilson’s philo-semitism but rather Isker is present to serve as a whipping boy in order for Wilson to blather his inanities and false dichotomies wherein he has become a legend.

As the conversation continues Pope Doug pauses to argue that genetics has nothing necessarily to do with being Bagel. Doug says, “no, it was about being covenantally bound, and that included shared customs, culture, language, etc.”

 

Now, if that is true then why was it so important that Jesus be able to trace His blood lineage to both David and Abraham? If Doug is right why in the world do we have all those genealogical tables in Scripture? If Doug is right then why all the prohibitions like;

Dt. 23:3 No Ammonite or Moabite or any of their descendants may enter the assembly of the Lord, not even in the tenth generation.

If being a Hebrew was only about being covenantally bound then why these prohibitions against blood descent coming into Israel? Could not Ammonites or Moabites choose to be covenantally bound?

If Doug is right then how do we explain the actions of Ezra and Nehemiah against not only foreign wives but the covenant children of Hebrew males birthed to those foreign wives?

Clearly Doug is engaged in  his “full on gaslighting mode.” A mode that is getting more and more common for Doug and his mindless CREC clergy blatherers.

As we continue fisking this “conversation” we next hear Doug asking, “Why do Bagels draw so much hatred?”

 

This prompts me to respond that if Pope Doug really doesn’t know the answer to that it only tells me that the man needs to take a few courses on Church History to learn that the Bagel is hated because of the way he has treated Christians throughout history. I might recommend that Doug starts his education on the matter by reading Maurice Pinay’s “The Plot Against the Church.” If Doug wants something more current he could flip the pages of Giles Corey’s “The Sword of Christ.” It’s all there of the ongoing war of the Bagel against Christians. Failing reading those books, if Doug wants an answer to his question as to why do Bagels draw so much hatred he might want to consider;

I Thessalonians 2:14 For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God’s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own people the same things those churches suffered from the Jews 15 who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone 16 in their effort to keep us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. In this way they always heap up their sins to the limit. The wrath of God has come upon them at last.

However, I suspect Doug knows all this and in the asking of his question he is merely being Doug, which is to say he has an agenda and is merely being clever. Plus, we can’t ignore the fact that Doug has himself talked about the axe he is grinding here for the Bagels;

“My affection for Israel is personal, in addition to being theological and political. My wife’s great-great-grandfather was Rabbi Cohn, one of my co-grandfathers is a Christian Jew, my kids and grandkids have cousins who are Israeli, and according to AncestryDNA, I myself am 2% European Jewish. Nancy is 11% European Jew, her mother 26%. What all this amounts to is that our family would be much more involved on an active personal level if terrorists overran Israel than we would be if terrorists overran Vermont.”

So, Pope Doug identifying as Bagel, is all the explanation we need in order to understand his massive gaslighting.

As we continue with the youtube conversation we hear Doug saying again;

“Being a Bagel did not have to be about blood.”

Perhaps it did not have to be but that it predominantly was is seen by the Bagels not saying; “May His blood be upon us and those who are covenantally bound to us?”

Instead what we hear is the Bagel self-understanding that being a Bagel was a blood relationship;  “May His blood be upon us and our children?

Also we should mention in the immediate quote above Doug himself talks about how Bagel blood flows through the veins of his wife and children. Contradict yourself much Doug?

Wilson complains about Isker’s Partial Preterist interpretation of Romans 11 and Gal. 4 since that means that the “covenant w/ Hagar” only lasted 30 years before God cut Bagels off.

In this complaint is Pope Doug somehow complaining that God was being unfair to the Bagels to only give them 30 years. Does Doug think that God wasn’t giving the Bagels a deserved break?

Not very Reformed Doug.

In the course of the interview Wilson again asks, all astonished, as to why people get up in arms about the Bagels. He notes that Jehovah Witnesses being Arians deny the deity of Christ (like the Bagels) but nobody gets whacked out about them and yet when Dougie brings up the Bagels “all the kittens and puppies come out to play.”

Honestly, this man either has no business being in the pulpit since he apparently knows zero Church history about the Bagels constant warfare against the Church and Christians or else he is being purposely clever and counting on the fact that people don’t know how the Bagels have consistently pursued and persecuted Christians. For Pete’s sake, does he not even know how many nations and people’s in history have tossed out the Bagels from their midst? Was it always all the time done because the Christian nations envied the Bagels?

We might want to keep in mind that Jehovah’s witness never murdered Christians and European peoples by the hundreds of millions or caused the collapse of innumerable nations through subversion, sexual degeneracy and usury.

Further, we ask if the Federal Reserve owned by Jehovah Witnesses (JWs)? Did Jehovah Witnesses murder the Tsar and usher in a communist revolution that enslaved half of Europe? Did JWs cause the Holodomor in the 1930s or advocate for abortion in the 1970sff? Did JWs attack the USS Liberty? Did JWs morally corrupt Germany in the 1920s and provoke a radical backlash?

You see, Wilson is just gaslighting. I refuse to believe that Pope Doug is so stupid as to not understand why all the kittens and puppies come out to play when he mentions the Bagels.

Next Doug invokes Woodrow Wilson as a Anglo-Saxon;

“Woodrow Wilson ruined the 20th century and he’s was Anglo-Saxon and what does that have to do it with it.”

Here Doug tries to suggest that Bagel ethnicity should have nothing to do with thinking about their behavior because after all, since Woodrow Wilson ruined the 20th century nobody indicts all Anglo-Saxons for that. The idea here that Wilson continues to gaslight upon, is that the Bagel blood is irrelevant to the fact of their ruinous behavior.

However, here Doug plays with US History. Very few people doubt the utter worthlessness of Woodrow Wilson as a President but lo and behold we learn that Wilson was Shabazz goy (a front man/ a puppet) worked by the Bagels;

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/woodrow-wilson-was-a-hero-to-jews

Some historians will even tell you that the Bagels made a quid pro quo with the British during WW I. That quid pro quo was “you promise us a homeland (Balfour Declaration signed in 1917) and we will move Wilson to come into the European war on your side.”  Diverse documentary evidence shows that Zionists pushed for the U.S. to enter the war on Britain’s side as part of a deal to gain British support for their colonization of Palestine.

So, Wilson’s appeal to Woodrow Wilson fails because Wilson was a tool for the Bagels.

Pope Doug Wilson complains next that people are negatively preoccupied with the Bagels, but one has to ask, “Why is Dougie positively preoccupied with the Bagels?” We actually know the answer to that question as Doug, as seen in the quote above, makes it clear that he is defending his Kin. Seems Doug really is a Kinist at heart.

Next Wilson tries to draw some kind of equation between the nefarious behavior of the WASP establishment during the beginning of the 20th century and the BAGELS today.

To this we note;

1.) The WASP establishment was a utter failure but let us forget that the P in the WASP was leftist. It was not Christian in the least.

2.) It doesn’t take into account the burgeoning influence of the Bagels upon the WASP. See, for example, the history of the run up to the Balfour Declaration. Indeed, the fact that the FEDS were protecting Bagels can be seen as far back as Lincoln’s revocation of Gen. U. S. Grant’s general order #11.

3.) Theoretically the WASP could argue that the West was their land to destroy. The Bagel has no claim on Western lands to justify their destruction of those lands.

However, I will agree with Pope Doug that the WASP establishment by the turn of the 2oth was disastrous for the White Anglo Saxon Protestant people. However, as the WASP had surrendered Christ we should not be surprised.

Wilson’s next line of note is a real knee slapper;

“On the one hand, Wilson says, “Most Evangelicals are semi-Gnostic.”

On the other hand, he argues that genetics has nothing to do with identity. Speaking of Jews, Wilson says that being a Jew is not about genetics, but instead “was about being covenantally bound, and that included shared customs, culture, language, etc.” Speaking of ‘Gnosticism.'”

This is  a case of Gnosticism for me but not for thee.

As Pope Doug continues he insists that the reason Americans hate Bagels is because we envy Bagels.

I suppose that might be true in some cases, however, for Christians the reason we hate Bagels is because of how they have killed our ancestors, sacrificed our children for their Passovers (see Ariel Toaff’s work) and raped and pillaged our lands. Could it not be the reason that Christians want to keep Bagels at arms length is the same reason that nobody goes around trying to get intestinal parasites? If a person hates a parasite is it because they envy the parasite or is it because they’d prefer to be healthy?

Allow me to close out with a general observation. I do not blame the Bagels for the situation that the West is now in. I hold Christian responsible for abandoning and rebelling against Christ. If Christians in America has kept their first love the Bagels could have achieved no successful in roads in the business they have pursued. We are to blame and nobody else. However, part of waking up means we own our responsibility in rebelling against Christ and resolve to no longer be played the fool.

 

One Implication of Egalitarianism

The 1st rule of Majority-Minority relations in a Egalitarian Liberal Culture

1.) The worse the behavior of a protected racial or sexual minority is the greater must be the cover up of that behavior in order to continue to preserve the egalitarian illusion. Further, this cover up will normally be pursued by the racial majority in the culture who have a vested interest in sustaining the hegemony of egalitarianism.

This rule has a necessary implication?

1a.) The more egregious any non-Western, non-White, and non-Christian behaves, the more evil the Christian Western White man must be reported to be for merely noticing and then drawing valid and rational conclusions about general truths regarding racial and/or sexual minority groups.

This means the more wicked minorities are, as against the Christian Western White man, the even more wicked the Christian Western white man must be envisioned as being so that it can be maintained that “the minorities are not any worse than the Christian Western White man.”

This is the inevitable logic of egalitarianism, for once the equality of all races and peoples is a driving presupposition, then the wickedness of any minority group must find the majority Christian Wester white group being seen as every bit as wicked if not more wicked than the wickedness of the guilty minority group.

Of course this only works in the direction of Whites as ever being seen as increasingly wicked in order to avoid any conclusion that Christian Western White behave in superior ways to any other minority group — sexual or racial.

The only way this is avoided is if, instead of the wickedness of racial or sexual minority groups being exposed, what happens is that behavior is covered up. This is what we are currently now seeing in the whole Nashville private school shooting from last summer where a sexual minority member shot up a Christian school. The manifesto of the tranny is not being released because the QGBTL minority is being protected from being seen as evil. Ask yourself this; “Do you really think that if the shooter in Buffalo had written a manifesto that it would have been buried the way the tranny’s manifesto has been buried in Nashville?”

This also explains why the FEDS are forever prating that White Supremacist groups are now the #1 terror threat in these united States. In doing this the FEDS are maintaining the illusion that White are not any better than racial or sexual minorities when the FEDS own documentation on crime screams to the contrary.

Dr. Own Strachan Dunking Tank Part II

A little good natured humor at Moanin’ Owen Strachan’s expense;

Owen Strachan’s favorite bible story as a little boy?
Joseph & the coat of many colors.
Owen Strachan’s favorite bible story as an “adult?”
Joseph and the coat of many colors.

What’s the difference between Robespierre denouncing Lafayette and Owen Strachan denouncing  Bret L. McAtee?

Oh, about 230 years.

Owen Strachan … inveighing against preferring all beef hotdogs since 1983.

Owen Strachan… Insisted, even as a child, that those who don’t like PB and J sandwiches preferring instead only Peanut Butter or Jelly are exhibiting their sinful fallenness.

“Not so sure about that ‘only one way to heaven’ stuff. There is a lot of partiality in that idea.”

Owen Strachan

“It is egregious sin to say it is normative to wear matching shoes every day.”

Owen Strachan

Marriage has found me sleeping with my wife only. Pray for me Dr. Moanin’ Owen Strachan that I might be released from this preference bondage so that I might sleep with other women.

 

Owen Strachan calls on all Christians to pray for Amanda Gentry who has been making meals for her own kids before making them for anyone else’s kids.

Amanda being convicted cries out… “Pray for me.”

Amanda Gentry also confesses

“Father forgive me.

I packed my husband lunch without even thinking about other husbands’ lunch, that’s the depths of my depravity.”

Amanda Gentry
“In the Confessional Booth w/ Father Owen Strachan”
New on Paramount Online Streaming

File Under: Can you find the contradiction? I bet you can.

“Kinism is the partial (thus sinful) preferring of your own people over others.”

Owen Strachan
Substack Article

“It is not wrong to enjoy your own heritage, culture, and background. Neither is it wrong to prefer your family’s or country’s customs, habits, and traditions, or even—to flip this around—to enjoy them and preserve them at some level.”

Owen Strachan

Same Substack Article a few paragraphs later

“Put positively, (Kinism teaches that) marrying inside your ethnicity is a moral duty or a moral good.”

Owen Strachan
Substack Article

Yes, and we also teach that God is Holy, men and women are distinct, and the sacraments can only be found in the Church.

So shoot us already.

“I mean that the entire (Wolfe) project, unlike the NT, has little to do with the biblical gospel that unites believers & forms the one true holy nation of God (1 Peter 2:9).”

Owen Strachan

This presupposes that the one true holy nation (Church) of God isn’t a nation comprised of many nations. Strachan presupposes that the Church is going to be a globalist NWO body. In Strachan’s vision the way the Church opposes Sauron is by going all Saruman.

The Bible teaches that the Church is going to be a confederated Nation of nations. I know this because the Bible unequivocally teaches that the nations as nations continue to exist in the new Jerusalem.

“The argument made by this group (Kinists) is that failing to build the nation along ethnic lines will lead to societal chaos and even destruction.”

Owen Strachan

Ummm… Owen… Babe… Dude …  have you looked out your window recently?

“(This system of thought [Kinism] strenuously opposes the Western liberal tradition and its attempt to create nations around core ideas, not family & heritage.)”

Owen Strachan

Clearly Owen has not read our founding Fathers. Again, the man is a giant idiot. The Founding of America with its Western liberal tradition was never about creating a propositional nation such as Owen Strychnine suggests here.

“Against what the world tells us today from polar-opposite ideologies, we are not divided by blood as believers.”

Owen Strachan

I suppose we likewise are not divided by genitalia as believers either Owen?

“He (Wolfe) makes gospel identity secondary and ethno-cultural identity primary. This is a reversal of the biblical framework, which recognizes our status as Jew or Gentile (covenantal categories first, ethnic categories second), but puts our shared identity in Christ at the foreground. We are “one new man” in Christ (Ephesians 2:15); we are not tribalists or ethno-preservationists.”

Owen “The Idiot” Strachan

Similarly, following “The Idiot’s” example we could write;

“We are one new man in Christ (Eph. 2:15); we are not men or women or gender-preservationists.”

 

On behalf of all Kinists everywhere I would like to offer gratitude with all sincerity to Owen Strachan, Doug Wilson, Toby Sumpter, Jon Harris, Stephen Wolfe and numerous others who have done Kinist the favor of either so hyper-ventilating about how dangerous we are or having written and spoken in such a way that you are accused of the Kinism that you yourself say you loathe that more and more people are becoming aware of who we are. You folks alone, have raised the Kinist brand and profile in ways that we could have only dreamt. So, from the bottom of our hearts, we thank you and we want you to know what a deep affection we have for you given all your kindness to us.

Love to all,

Pastor Bret

Dr. Own Strachan Dunking Tank Part I

Remember going to the fair and there was always a booth where some clown was sitting on a collapsible bench over a water tank and he would scream insults at you as you passed by, minding your own business, in order to lure you into throwing baseballs at a target which would collapse his bench with the result of the clown being immersed in water?

Well, the clown Dr. Owen Strachan did something similar to that to me this week in an article he wrote on Substack. It seems Owen doesn’t like me much (imagine my chagrin) and as such Owed decided to take my name in vain, seeking to treat me like an anchor to put around other people’s neck so as to discredit whoever he connected to me.

So, in light of that, I thought I would play Walter Johnson to Owen Strachan’s clown routine and pitch a few baseballs at the metaphorical target in order to get Owen good and wet.

Alternately, this of this post as a kind of Dr. Owen Strachan slugfest;

“There are two major elements of this movement (Kinism) as I read it; multi-ethnic Christian nationalism and mono-ethnic Christian Nationalism.”

Dr. Owen Strachan 
Typical Baptist

Any one want to tell Owen that multi-ethnic by definition can’t be Nationalism unless it is a non-Nationalist civic Nationalism?

What a maroon.

Owen continues,

“In what follows, I seek to show that mono-ethnic Christian Nationalism should not be held by any true believer in the Lord Jesus Christ.”

Someone phone the Hungarians and let them know.

However, apparently mono-ethnic Judaism (Israel) is perfectly acceptable as Nationalism, and mono-ethnic communism is perfectly acceptable as Nationalism for the Han Chinese.

Owen is looking to get another Doctorate. This time in stupidity.

Continuing on;

“Andrew (Torba) I pray you understand the true biblical gospel, which has nothing to do with your kinist message of ethnic preservation and propagation. I say this in love: you are promoting a false gospel.”

Dr. Rev. Owen Strachan

Baptist Idiot (Tautology alert)

Yes, because the true gospel means that you ignore the ongoing attempted genocide of your people because of LUV. The true gospel means that we LUV our children enough to turn a blind eye to their being replaced. The true gospel means that we LUV God enough to ignore the 6th commandment. Everyone know the true gospel once embraced is a suicide pact.

“Real talk: You go against inter-ethnic marriage, you go against God.”

Rev. Dr. Owen Strychnine Strachan

Yes, indeed, everyone should marry other races. We should destroy our bloodlines to rebuild the Tower of Babel.

Also clearly Ezra and Nehemiah (ch. 9 & 13) were in terrible sin for their actions.

Continuing;

Owen Strachan in his Substack article faults Wolfe merely for daring to quote something on Twitter (X) that I, had in turn, quoted from the Harvard Law review.

Quoting Moanin’ Owen from his Substack article;

“Fourth, Wolfe has engaged kinist and white-nationalist voices in affirmatory terms. Here, for example, is Wolfe reposting a take on blasphemy from Bret McAtee:”

Here Moanin’ Owen invokes my name in connection with Wolfe in the attempt to smear Wolfe with little ole innocent me. The idea is “if Wolfe is connected to McAtee then obviously Wolfe is poison.”

Next Strachan writes,

“Bret  McAtee is not a widely-known voice, but he is an open kinist who was dismissed from the Christian Reformed Church for advocacy of such ideology. McAtee writes the “IronInk” blog. Here is how Alastair Roberts has described IronInk:

The Kinist Iron Ink blog describes ‘Who is My Neighbor” as follows: ‘This book is nearly 700 pages long and it provides one quote after another culled from authors (both Christian and Pagan) from Ancient History to modern times, which demonstrates that the doctrines of Kinism have been what all men in all time and in all places have believed.”
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Now some analysis:

1.) Thanks to the work of the Alienists like Doug Wilson and Alister Roberts and now Owen Strachan it is sure to be the case that Bret McAtee will soon indeed be a widely known voice. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you very much.

2.) It was not possible for me to be dismissed from the Christian Reformed Church since I was never ordained in the Christian Reformed Church. Strachan is just in error here. What’s new? He’s trademarked error.

3.) Note how Strachan refuses to consider the material in “Who is My Neighbor,” choosing instead to just damn all the evidence because I dare cite it as evidence. It’s as if this idiot is saying, “Clearly all the evidence in ‘Who is My Neighbor’ can’t be counted as evidence because McAtee recognizes it as evidence.”

4.) What’s a guy got to do to get his middle initial used? I mean I always sign my name Bret L. McAtee and Owen drops my “L.” My “L” is important to me since I was tabbed with that middle name (Lee) after Gen. Robert E. Lee.

Continuing with the brilliance of Dr. Owen Moanin’ Strachan;

“Kinism is the partial (thus sinful) preferring of your own people over others.”

Owen Strachan

So…. my preferring my own wife and children over other women and children not my own is sinful?

Does this man even think about what he writes?

Owen Strachan’s behavior at the G3 conference and in his Substack article is proof positive once again that the visible church needs to split apart. We need a movement to start different denominations that have has part of their confession an explicit allegiance to Kinism and/or CN. We could put in our confession;

… therefore we detest the errors of the political Anabaptists who would insists that the God of the Bible has to share sovereignty with all the other gods in the public square.”

The Decline of the Nouveau Reformed

Below is a quotation from a Roman Catholic priest. Contrast it with the current “leading lights” of Protestantism.

“Consequently at the same time as acknowledging the diversity and singularity of races, the Church rejects, equally with the racist assertions of radical racial superiority and inferiority, the tendency towards a depreciation and leveling of races found at the opposite extreme. It does this in the confidence that Christianity, grounded in reality and truth, is able to harmonize the affirmation of the radical unity of mankind with the recognition of racial diversity…There can therefore be no better way of combatting racism and racial discrimination, than by a sane and realistic acknowledgement of the facts of race and of historical and cultural inequalities” –

Bonaventure Hinwood
Race, Reflections of a Theologian, p. 103

“There is only one race. The human race. And so I think races — the whole concept of races — is problematic. The one human race is divided by language. divided by culture, divided by tribes, divided by history.”

Doug Wilson
Pope– CREC

“I use ‘ethnicity’ because, as we shall see, ‘race’ is not actually a positive biblical reality, but a construct. On this point, ironically, I agree with CRT advocates, much as many of them state that race is a social construct, but then practically operate in many senses as if it is real.”

Owen Strachan
Baptist — Need I say more?

“Concepts of “whiteness” or “blackness” are DESTROYED by the radical equality of every sinner’s need and Christ’s perfect provision. Our identity is NOT determined by our ancestors—we have been transferred out of the kingdom where such relationships rule and divide.”

James White

Another Baptist

“‘Race’ is not a biblical category, but rather a social construct that often has been used to classify groups of people in terms of inferiority and superiority.”

Dallas Statement on Social Justice

“One of the sad realities of antiracism is that it is 100 percent correct about race being a construct.”

Voddie Baucham
Yet another Baptist