Correcting Wesley Huff

Apparently, Wesley Huff is currently all the rage among apologists today. I first heard of him today. He was being interviewed by a chap named “Bartlett.” Below you will see an exchanged between Bartlett and Huff. It is my opinion that Huff’s answer was inadequate to the question.

Huff is reportedly Reformed Baptist. However, I am inclined to think he is some form of evidentialist in his apologetics.

HC91. What are good works?

Those only which proceed from true faith, and are done according to the law of God, unto His glory, and not such as rest on our own opinion or the commandments of men.

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Bartlett to Huff: So if I don’t believe in Jesus, I don’t believe in the Bible, but I live a “good” life – I’m nice to people, I’m charitable, I’m trying to be kind wherever I can be – and I don’t believe in God am I going to hell or heaven as it relates to the scriptures?

Huff: Well, I don’t think if you’re living your life rejecting God, God is not going to force you into his presence.

Bret offers a better answer than Huff;

The problem here Mr. Bartlett is according to the Scripture “good” is defined as doing what we do for the glory of God. If you don’t believe in Jesus then while it may be the case that you do “comparative good,” you do not do “good” by God’s standard for “good.” The Bible teaches that “all our works are as filthy rags,” and this includes your being “nice,” “charitable,” and “kind.” God is not impressed with those behavioral traits because they fall short of the glory of God. To be honest, Mr. Bartlett, the behavior you describe as embraced by those who hate Christ are really just “splendid vices.”

Another problem here, Mr. Bartlett, is that you’re talking about being good, nice, charitable, and kind, but if you don’t believe in God how could you possibly be able to define what good, nice, charitable, and kind is? Without God, you’ve made yourself to be your own standard as to what constitutes virtuous behavior and that by itself will cast you into hell since making yourself your own standard is to make yourself out to be God. Now, why would God allow a false god into His heaven?

No, rebelling against God is rebelling against God and those who are comparatively virtuous as compared to others will be cast into hell along with those who were bad, mean, stingy, and hard-hearted.

The good news though Mr. Bartlett is that God will receive those who look to Jesus for forgiveness, repent of their attempt to be god and so their rebellion, and own God’s standard found in Scripture to be the norm that norms all norms.

Will you not trust Jesus Mr. Bartlett? That is His command to you.

Truth is the first casualty of war … Worldview, Spin & Narrative Creation During War

Most people have heard the old bromide; “Truth is the first casualty of war.” 

This explains why I listen to war reports from Iran in a very jaded manner. I have learned how truth gets so badly mangled during war. In World War I there was the propaganda from the Allies that Germans were throwing Belgian babies in the air and catching them on their bayonets. Also, there were multiple reports of how the Germans would crucify farmers on the farmer’s barn doors. In World War II we all know of the propaganda that advanced the nonsense that the Germans were making fine bone China out of Jewish bones, or how the Germans were turning Jews into soap, or how the Germans used Jewish skin to make lampshades. The Soviets lied about Katyn forest. The Kuwaitis lied about Iraqi soldiers dumping Kuwaiti babies out of their neo-natal units in hospitals.  Artist Frederic Remington who had been assigned to cover the building Spanish-American conflict in 1897 once famously cabled Newspaper Magnate Randolph Hearst who had assigned Remington to cover the war; “I can find no war.” 

Hearst cabled back; “Please remain [in Cuba]. You furnish the pictures and I’ll furnish the war.”

From Abraham Lincoln’s propaganda that pinned the blame of the war on the South when he was the one who had committed a naked act of aggression — all of which vaulted the nation into the War of Northern Aggression, to Hitler’s dressing up German soldiers as Polish soldiers in order to contend that the Poles attacked the Germans to give pretext to German invasion of Poland, to the British bald face lies to their public about the Boers being the aggressors in the Boer War, one has to be a fool to believe anything that they are being told by media outlets during a war, because truth is the first casualty of war.

So, where does that leave us in our (US) tidy little war with Israel against Iran? It means that we have to be very jaded about any and every report from anybody and everybody. The incentive to lie and propagandize during war is massive since the stakes are so high. War, you see, is as much about public perception as it is about the bombs being dropped. He who can create the war narrative will have the odds on their side when it comes to winning the war.

This means, that one can’t not buy into just one information outlet. One should be dipping into (as they can) different outlets for information. Also, one has to keep in mind that when they are dipping into different information outlets that they are learning more about the worldview of people who run those outlets then they are learning about the war. Wars, are events that create the possibility of changing the world but the change comes not so much from bombs dropping as the ability to create and foster a new macro narrative. In War (and other like events – the myth of climate change comes to mind) what is being sought out to accomplish is the ushering in of a new narrative template by which the world will be organized and so during war, all the information outlets are doing their damnedest to have the narrative they’re spinning to be the narrative that  attains hegemony. So, because that is true, you’re information outlets giving you “news” about the war, is in point of fact giving you their narrative they want you to accept — a narrative that is based on their worldview. The reporting of information outlets during the time of war tells you more about the worldview of the outlet reporting the news than it tells you about what is happening in the war.

So, for example, if you listen to Iranian outlets, they will give you a completely different accounting of the war than you will get from Jewish information outlets. FOX news on the war will give you a different war than the war you’ll be told about at CNN or MS NOW, will give you a different war than Al Jazeera, will give you a different war than Russia Today. The reason for all these different wars, which are reputedly the same war, is because it is not the war reporting that is really important but the narrative that can be spun out of the war reporting. You can count on the fact, that when it comes to these world changing type of events that information outlets are not trying to tell you about the event itself but are seeking to shape your worldview.

When we get to the nitty gritty that means when you watch Tucker Carlson or Joe Scarborough, or the maniac Sen. Lindsey Graham, or Douglas MacGregor, or Jeffrey Sachs, or John Mearsheimer, etc. you have to try to spend some time digging into their worldview in order to discern what spin they are seeking to put forth.

I am not saying that all that exists is spin and the truth is impossible to arrive at. That would be a post-modern view of truth. What I am saying is that you can’t allow yourself to be spoon-fed by any one information outlet. The truth is, as they say, out there, but in a spin heavy environment, tracking it down is not easy to do.

Also, in this context, I would champion the idea of learning worldview thinking. Worldview thinkers are equipped to smell spin. Christian worldview thinkers are better able to identify the presuppositions that are governing the information outlets. Christian worldview thinkers, having a Christian world and life view can spot when reporting is being driven by an ideology/theology that is discernably false.

We piece together the best we can from various reports what is happening in our war du Jour. We piece it together based on our worldview and not based on the worldview of the talking head who is trying to sway us with misinformation. (And most of them know they are dishing out misinformation.)

It is a complicated world and for the consumer of information one has to remember another old bromide …. “Let the buyer of war information beware.”

The Preaching of Law, Gospel … 1st & 3rd Use Of The Law In Preaching

“How were the ten commandments given on Mt. Sinai? not by bare exactions of duty, but fronted with the Gospel, to be believed in the first place; ‘I am the Lord thy God,’ etc.’

Thomas Boston
The Crook In The Lot – p. 60

The Ten commandments, in their original context, were not given in terms of the 1st use of the law  but rather in terms of the third use of the law. For the Christian, preaching should be Gospel, Law (3rd use), Gospel. For the Christ hater preaching should be Law (1st use), Gospel.

The first use of the law (Law – Gospel preaching) has the purpose of illuminating the sinfulness of man’s sin. It is all demand and no relief. It is Pilgrim, in “Pilgrim’s Progress” being bludgeoned to the ground even after appeals for mercy. The first use of the law knows no mercy disconnected to Jesus Christ’s finished work. The first use of the law’s work is to turn a light on the sinfulness of sin in fallen man. The first use of the law finds the law as a rigid schoolmaster which has the purpose of driving the sinner to Christ for relief.

Augustine wrote on this matter;

“The law orders, that we, after attempting to do what is ordered, and so feeling our weakness under the law, may learn to implore the help of grace”  

For the Christian, however, he is reminded of God’s favor upon Him in providing escape from God’s wrath because of Jesus Christ, before He is reminded of God’s standard and then is reminded again, after the preaching of the third use of the law, of God’s graciousness towards Him for both the law that instructs in what is pleasing to God and beneficial to us and for God’s grace that reminds us that though we fall short in walking in full obedience to God’s law, God, for the sake of Christ’s Cross work, lovingly owns us as His people. Preaching ends with the Gospel because the Gospel tells the Christian that “there is therefore now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus.”

The third use of the law then is only for those who have closed with Christ and own him as their savior. If the first use of the law says, “There is none righteous, no not one,” the third use of the law says, “This is the way, walk ye in it.” Both the first use and the third use of the law is God’s good to His elect. The first use of the law in driving us to Christ. The third use of the law in giving us the good life.

For the Christ hater, he is reminded of God’s wrath. He is explicitly told that God has no favor for him since he has walked contrary to God’s standard. He is told the only cure for God’s wrath upon him for his disregard of God’s righteous law is to repent, have faith, and flee to Christ who alone can provide shelter for Him in the face of God’s decided opposition (wrath) towards the sinner. Only when the sinner has been given God’s law and awakened by the terror of God’s wrath may the sinner be told of God’s mercy provided in Christ. Only after the sinner has been given God’s law can he be commanded to repent. The hot needle of God’s Law (1st use) must be the tool which pulls through the scarlet thread of redemption found only in Christ.

So … yes, preaching is Law – Gospel. But it is Gospel, Law, Gospel for the believer as we see in the quote above and Law – Gospel for the Christ hater.

Only by the preaching of the first use of the law will men outside of Christ see their danger. Only by the preaching of the third use of the law will Christians learn how to love their sovereign who said; “If you love me keep my commandments.”

Such preaching also has the advantage of steering the Christian away from both the Charybdis of antinomianism and the Scylla of legalism. Antinomianism is defeated because by preaching God’s third use of the law the Christian will not be able to say, along with the Dispensationalists an R2K chaps, “God’s law no longer applies.” Legalism is defeated because by a close preaching of God’s third use of the law the Christian will never think that somehow their behavior is currying and earning God’s favor. Christians will leave the preaching rejoicing in God’s freely given grace. 

McAtee Defends Kirk Against An Angry Female Family Member

Like many Americans I have found myself shocked this past week by the murder of Iranyi Zarutska and the assassination of the Christian Charlie Kirk. The violence has been heart rending. Perhaps, however, what has been just as shocking to me is the glee that has been communicated by many unhinged Americans over the assassination of Charlie Kirk. I mean, I knew that these people hated Biblical Christians but I could not have guessed that the hatred was so wide and deep. It has been heart rending to read people exulting in Mr. Kirk’s death.

Even more heart rending was to read a closely related extended family member join in this ghoulish celebration.

Below, find interaction with this family member who thinks she is wise but really is wicked. She has me blocked on social media but another family member actually took the time to send it to me. I take the time to do this because I am concerned that I have other family members I love who are going to be dragged into the wickedness orbit we see this family member spouting.

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MN writes,

I do think it is dangerous to rejoice in violence. I also think the argument of feeling sad for this because he had a wife and children isn’t good enough. Most evil men have. I have more grief for what this says about our society. About the distractions and divides people in power have put up that have gotten us to this place. People like Charlie Kirk.

So while I am pondering about what to think and how to feel about this. These are some quotes I will ponder:

Bret responds,

First you say that it is dangerous to rejoice in violence and then you turn around and try to justify the rejoicing in violence that is ubiquitous. You write that “feeling sad because he had a wife and children isn’t good enough.” In other words, one has to have more reasons than a widowed wife and orphaned children in order to be justified in being saddened concerning someone’s death.

Second, you make it clear that your sadness is not about Kirk’s death but rather your sadness is the fact that an evil man like Kirk, per your subjective standards, has placed distractions and divides in American society. So, if we are to take your words seriously what you have told us is that it is not the death of Kirk that makes you sad, but rather it was the life of Kirk that made you sad, because, in your subjective opinion, Kirk placed distractions and divides in American society.

Next, we have to ask, what evidence do you have that Kirk was a “evil man?” By what standard are you adjudicating in order to lower your gavel and say “Charlie Kirk was evil?” It certainly isn’t Scripture that is your standard because Kirk was careful to anchor all of his positions in Scripture. So, by your own subjective say so you’re trying to sell Kirk was an evil man? Who really is the evil person here?

MN writes,

Now you turn to quoting Kirk, thinking by doing so you are proving how evil he was. So… let us consider your quotes and your implicit reasoning behind the quotes that you provide proving he was a wicked man;

“It’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the 2nd amendment”

~Charlie Kirk

Bret responds,

So, let us join you in pondering this, understanding that you think this quote proves the Kirk is a wicked man;

1.) If you could bring Kirk back to life he would say this again. The man knew the evidence that existed that proclaimed that gun prohibition laws end up serving the purposes of the criminal class. Prohibiting gun only makes it so the law abiding class can’t get weapons. Criminals don’t care if they break the law in order to have weapons. Tell me that you don’t really think that the chap that shot Kirk would not have been able to shoot Kirk if only your precious dumbass anti-gun laws were passed?

Evidence 1 that this family member is just another non-thinking lib-tard.

2.) If we did not have the 2nd amendment no one would be able to possibly fire back when some idiot criminal on a roof is firing at them.

3.) This lib-tard family member HATES the current Trump government but if she can’t get access to weapons how is the left ever going to fight against Trump? Darling, if we take your access to weapons away your ability to defy Trump goes out the window.

MN disapprovingly quotes Kirk,

“I think empathy is a made up new age term that does a lot of damage” 

 Charlie Kirk

Bret responds,

1.) Fortunately for you, you will never have to deal with he burden of having empathy or even sympathy. You’ve made that clear with your hardness of heart against Kirk’s widow and orphans.

2.) Still, I agree with Kirk that empathy does do a lot of damage. What good does it do for someone to sit down and cry with someone crying? Does it fix their problem? Does it reverse their victim status, even if that is legitimate? Or instead does it empower people who only think they are victims to continue to be victims? Does it not only end up reinforcing bad and narcissistic behavior causing the one being empathized with to say … “yeah, I was right all along. People should feel pity for me.”

MN disapprovingly quotes Kirk

“The biggest thing is this: more younger women need to get married at a younger age and start having kids. The single woman issue is one of the biggest issues facing a civilization.”

Charlie Kirk

Bret responds,

Just because you’re single, angry, tatted up like a 18th century sailor on the Pequod, while being 25 going on 50 doesn’t mean Kirk is wrong here.

Keep in mind here that Kirk is addressing the issue of civilization. Western Civilization cannot continue unless our birth rate matches or exceeds our death rate. Currently in the West, our birth rate at 1.55 is way below the needed replacement rate of 2.1. In light of this Kirk is absolutely on point.

MN disapprovingly quotes Kirk

“Marital subversion” and “undermine their husbands”

Charlie Kirk on women voting differently than their husbands

Bret responds,

Again … how can this be denied? Women voting in contradiction to their husband is marital rebellion and should be treated as rebellion. Of course you find this hateful given your feminism. However, the Scripture is against you as it teaches repeatedly that wives must submit to their husbands.

MN disapprovingly quotes Kirk,

“When a man and woman are hooking up and the woman removes consent.
Yeah that’s a murky middle grey area”

Charlie Kirk on rape

Bret responds,

It is murky. A woman teases a man by her consent to foreplay giving all the signals that it is a go and then suddenly says… “I have a headache?” Yeah …. that’s murky.

MN disapprovingly quotes Kirk

“Women should try to find their husband before they’re 25”

Charlie Kirk

Bret responds,

Again … this is just common sense. The younger couples get married the more likely they will meld together quicker. The younger women get married the more time they have to have babies. The Christian faith teaches that the main purpose of marriage after bringing to glory to God is to have children. Marrying before 25, is pursuant to that end.

MN disapprovingly quotes Kirk

“You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white persons slot to be taken somewhat seriously”

~Charlie Kirk on black women in political roles

Bret responds,

Again … common sense. For example, the only reason Ketanji Brown Jackson was appointed to a Supreme court seat is because she was a black female (who during her testimony before the Senate could not even define herself as a female). Black people, exceptions notwithstanding, are merely affirmative action hires – hired in order to allow the company who hired them not to be hassled by the FEDS.

The only sin Kirk commits here is the sin of noticing.

MN disapprovingly quotes Kirk

“I’m sorry, but if I see a black pilot, I’m going to think; oh I hope he’s qualified”

~Charlie Kirk

Bret responds,

Pray you never find yourself crisscrossing the country on jets as flown by minority affirmative action hires. Pretty soon the odds are going to catch up with you.

MN disapprovingly quotes Kirk

“It creates very angry young ladies and bitter young women that then manifests those women into a political party”

~Charlie Kirk on birth control

Psst … get a mirror and look long and hard at it. You are the angry bitter young woman Kirk talked about.

Top Down, Bottom Up, or Inside Out?

Is the Christianization of America more likely to happen from a Spirit-wrought revival of the populace that seems to arise from nowhere? Or from a Christian prince who seems to pop up from nowhere and uses political power to impose his views on the people? Or is some third option most likely?

Rev. Rich Lusk
Question Raised on X

Just to be clear from the outset here. While I do think that Rev. Lusk can be quite insightful from time to time on the whole, since he is one of the worst practitioners of what is now known as “Federal Vision,” I consider him at the very best heterodox and at very his very worse heretical.

However, he asks a good question here that has been bandied about a good bit by folks lately so I thought I would weigh in on the matter.

If we could reduce the question to its essence it amounts to this;

“Will Christian renewal/reformation be top down or bottom up?”

My answer to this question finds me ripping off from the black Marxist Van Jones who was Obama’s Green Jobs Czar at one time. Van Jones likes to talk about “change being top dow, bottom up and inside out.” And honestly, this is a maxim that has been pursued by Marxists for generations — often quite successfully. It’s also been pursued by Christians in history as well. In point of fact I would argue that it is a biblical principle.

So, my answer to Lusk’s query is that it must be all at the same time. At various times I suppose one will lead and the other follow but on the whole I look at history and I see all three happening whenever a nation pivots from its previous historical/theological/worldview antecedents.

I see it, for example, in a book I finished last month on the Spanish Civil War. Both the Nationalists and the “Republicans” were fighting for a renewal/reformation for their nation as understood as coming from their different beginning points. Both sought top down solutions. The Roman Catholic Nationalists had their Franco and others. The Republicans had their Francisco Largo Caballero and others. However, both parties also sought the support of a bottom up constituency and they both fought for hearts and minds (the inside out component).

If you want to go behind that to consider how Charlemagne would use the sword to convert tribes in his orbit of rule one sees again the top down approach being married to a bottom up approach. After these pagan tribes were “converted” Christian missionaries would then swarm over them to knead Christianity into the individual lives of those previously pagan but now, because of Charlemagne’s sword, Christian tribes.

If one reads their Old Testament Scriptures one finds that both Reformation and Deformation come and go with the coming and going of Righteous or Un-Righteous Kings leading the way. The OT Scriptures indeed seem to support more the idea that Reformation and Deformation come from a top down matrix.

Part of the problem behind people accepting that Reformation could come down in a force manner as being led by a Christian Prince is the fact that the American mind is so infected with the Democratic mindset. We want to insist that Reformation will only come as a bottom up “Spirit led” revival. Certainly, with God all things are possible, but consider that God marries means to ends and currently the means that would lead to an end of a “Spirit led” revival are not present. There is very little proclamation of the whole counsel of God in pulpits today in even putative conservative churches. The enemy has completely captured the places where the most intense catechism occurs; the Government schools and the Universities, as well the media industry (entertainment and “news”) as well as most of the Churches in the West today. Then there is the fact that the publishing houses are almost all captured territory as well as the gaming industry. In light of that could bottom up Spirit led revival still happen? Sure … because God is sovereign all things are possible. However, when we look at history, history suggests that a bottom up Spirit led revival is not going to happen apart from a movement that is also top down and inside out.

And most pietistic Christians don’t want to hear that. They would prefer to think that God always works His ends without means that He Himself has raised up. A Christian magistrate has often been the top down means God uses to prompt bottom up Spirit led revival.