Answering An Objection To Presuppositionalism Raised By A Natural Law Fanboy

 “It’s (presuppositionalism) epistemological brain rot. They (Presuppositionalists) assume a coherence theory of knowledge, which redefines and subjectivizes knowledge, grounding it in your own “worldview” consistency rather than the objective world.

I once asked a staunch presup guy if an unregenerate person can understand the number 4. The response I got: “The unbeliever can’t A C C O U N T for the number four or understand why it is meaningful”. And it does quickly turn into arrogance on the popular level, spraying genetic fallacies in every direction.”

Natural Law Fanboy

1.) Inasmuch as one’s worldview is consistent with and reflective of the objective world I don’t see how this is a problem. Is it the case that our Natural Law Fanboy (NLF) believes that an objective world can be arrived at by beginning with the subjective categories of the fallen self as the epistemological legislating authority?

2.) It is only the Christian presuppositionalist who can have an objective world since the Christian presuppositionalist presupposes that an objective God has created an objective world and made it knowable by an objective revelatory word. The objectiveness of the world can only be obtained as in a presuppositionalist world and life view since only the presuppositionalist is beginning the reasoning process by presupposing an objective God who created an objective world that can be known by objective revelation.

3.) If our unregenerate person in question is a materialist he certainly can’t understand the number 4 since the number 4 is not a material reality. Now, he may well use fourness in any number of ways but his avowed worldview of materialism means that he indeed can’t account for the number 4 that he uses with regularity. If our unregenerate person in question is a spiritualist (believing that all reality is spiritual) then the number 4 is a spiritual reality but then so are the numbers 5 – 9 and every other number and as all is spiritual then any distinctions between any of the numbers is completely arbitrary on the part of our New Age friend.

So, “no,” the unregenerate person cannot “understand the number 4,” though we are glad to concede that the unregenerate person seldom acts consistently with his unregenerate Natural Law world and life view. Because the unbeliever acts inconsistently with his self-avowed world and life view you can find him everywhere fouring and fiving all over the place.

Of course it is Greg Bahnsen himself who said that the unregenerate can indeed count but he cannot account for his ability to count. Bahnsen was correct and I should think that folks dealing with Bahnsen seldom got away with accusing Bahnsen of “spraying genetic fallacies in every direction.”

Of course it is the view of the presuppositionalist that it is the Natural Law types who are the arrogant ones. Here we find folks who are championing the idea that starting from their subjective selves and their fallen minds they can arrive at the objective. But fallen man is like a zero in a multiplication problem. No matter how many other numbers one puts in the equation that 0 is going to make the answer 0.

The fact that fallen man gets right whatever it is he gets right is not explained by fallen man’s native epistemological ability. No, fallen man gets right what he gets right because he surreptitiously borrows from the Christian world and life view in order to get his Christ denying world and life view off the ground and operating.

It reminds us of the old joke Van Til used to enjoy telling.

One day a bunch of scientists came to God and said; “God, we have decided we don’t need you anymore. We have arrived to the point where we can create life and we are now quite done with any need of your services.”

God looked upon them amusingly and said … “Very well then, let us have a contest. You create life and then I’ll create life.”

This was amenable to the Natural Law scientists and so they agreed.

At that point they grabbed some dirt in order to create life whereupon God objected saying… “Oh no you don’t. That is my dirt. You get your own dirt.”

Natural Law fallen man may indeed get things “right” but they only do so by using borrowed capital from a Christian world and life view.

Whose brain is rotting now I wonder?

Economics Is A Tricky Business

True story;

It’s the 18th century in British ruled India. In Delhi, the Brits have a problem. It seems that there are far too many Cobras in the streets of Delhi and these Cobras are presenting a health crisis.

So, the Brits, always so wise in their administration of their colonies, arrive at an idea. They decide to offer a bounty for every dead Cobra that is turned into their designated Cobra centers.

This works great … for awhile. Dead Cobras are being turned in. People are making some money from the exchange. Delhi is becoming comparatively pestilent free of Cobras. However, during the period in which there was a bounty on cobras, the number of rats in Delhi increased and with it an outbreak in the bubonic plague. When the bounty ended, the number of rats significantly decreased.

Also, someone gets the idea of breeding Cobras as a lucrative option. The reasoning went like this …. “We will breed Cobras which have monetary value, and then once they reach a certain maturity we will kill the Cobras and turn them in for the English bounty.” The English bounty was working as a subsidy on Cobras and whatever a government subsidizes it gets more of.

Suddenly the English offices were flooded with dead Cobras and the British realized that it was necessary to end the “dead Cobras for money” program.
The problem was though that the Cobra breeding farms had mushroomed throughout Delhi. Now, these farms had a product (live Cobras) which had no monetary value. Who wants to keep all kinds of live Cobras around? So, the Cobra breeding farms just released their formerly lucrative product, with the end result that Delhi’s Cobra problem was greater after the English “Cobras for Cash” program than it was before the program.

The moral of the story …. Beware the law of unintended consequences.

By Today’s Standards Jesus Was A Racist

And He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.”   Matthew 15:26

Dogs (κυναρίοις). A contemptuous diminutive, rendered by Wickliffe, “whelpies,” or, as we might say, “curs.” This was the term applied by the Jews to the Gentiles, even as Turks nowadays talk of “dogs of Christians,” and as in later times, by a curious inversion, the Jews themselves were generally saluted with the opprobrious name of”dogs.” Some have seen a term of endearment in the diminutive “little dogs,” as though Christ desired to soften the harshness of the expression by referring, not to the prowling, unowned animals that act as scavengers in Oriental towns, but to the petted inmates of the master’s house. But Scripture gives no warrant for thinking that the Hebrews ever kept dogs as friends and companions, in our modern fashion; and our Lord adopts the language of his countrymen, to put the woman in her right position, as one with whom Jews could have no fellowship. To take the blessings from the Church of Israel in order to give them to aliens was to throw them away on unworthy recipients.

Pulpit Commentary

Matthew 2:1-12 … Epiphany … 05 January 2025 … Wise Men, Gifts, Herod, Christ

Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, [a]wise men from the East came to Jerusalem, saying, “Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him.”

When Herod the king heard this, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he inquired of them where the Christ was to be born.

So they said to him, “In Bethlehem of Judea, for thus it is written by the prophet:

‘But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah,
Are not the least among the rulers of Judah;
For out of you shall come a Ruler
Who will shepherd My people Israel.’ ”

Then Herod, when he had secretly called the [b]wise men, determined from them what time the star appeared. And he sent them to Bethlehem and said, “Go and search carefully for the young Child, and when you have found Him, bring back word to me, that I may come and worship Him also.”

When they heard the king, they departed; and behold, the star which they had seen in the East went before them, till it came and stood over where the young Child was. 10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceedingly great joy. 11 And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him. And when they had opened their treasures, they presented gifts to Him: gold, frankincense, and myrrh.

12 Then, being divinely warned in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed for their own country another way.

Intro —

Why Church Calendar

1.) Recital theology

11 I will remember the deeds of the Lord;

yes, I will remember your wonders of old.
12 I will ponder all your work,
and meditate on your mighty deeds.  (Psalm 77)

The Church calendar gives us the means to recite our theology and our History. If familiar with the Church calendar we can become a people who are anchored in our undoubted catholic Christian faith. When we are involved in this recital theology as connected to the calendar we are involved in a kind of catechism.

2.) Importance of History

The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of history.

George Orwell

We want to use the Church Calendar to remind us of our History as a Christian people. And so we spend this time seeking to ground these New Testament texts in the history of God’s people. The purpose is that we will be both theologically and historically grounded.

When we celebrate Epiphany, for example, we look at the History of God’s people looking forward to the coming of Christ and then we speak of that fulfillment and then we add that we now look forward to a future coming of Christ.

3.) Muscular Christianity

As a Christian people we desire to measure time in a Christian fashion and not as a people who think the measuring of time is neutral. If we will not measure time as Christians we will measure time as non-Christians. Why should we note President’s Day or MLK Day and not mark Epiphany or Advent?

4.) Church Calendar not Absolutized

There is no intent to absolutize the Church Calendar. We ourselves do not find ourselves tied to it. We will deviate to address other issues that need to be spoken to but neither do we find ourselves required to ignore a means that can work to help us to ground us in Christian thinking habits.

There is no Romanism or mysticism in observing the movement of time in Christian terms.

 

Epiphany

Greek — epiphaneia, “manifestation, revelation, striking appearance”

In the West, Christians began celebrating the Epiphany — that is the visitation of the Wise men in the 4th century. Even up until the 19th century, January 6 was as big a celebration as Christmas Day. However, with the increasing removal of Christianity from the public square increasingly Epiphany as a day of celebration was pushed into the background.

If in Christmas we celebrate the birth of the sinless Christ child to Mary in Epiphany we celebrate the work of the Father in making His revelation known to the peoples. With the accentuation on these Gentiles from the East bearing gifts. Epiphany becomes tied up with the truth that the Gospel is God’s gift for all the Nations. In finding the Gentile Nations in worshiping the Christ child we have a prophetic word from Isaiah  49 affirmed

6He says, “It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant To raise up the tribes of Jacob and to restore the preserved ones of Israel; I will also make You a light of the nations So that My salvation may reach to the end of the earth.”

That Epiphany was connected to the idea of Christ for the Nations was seen in how each of the traditional three wise men became characterized as coming from different continents. Because of the three gifts mentioned it has traditionally been held that there were three Kings though the text nowhere tells us that. The three Kings (Melchior, Caspar and Balthazar) represented Europe, Arabia and Africa respectively.

There is an insight that we can gain here if we take this long held church tradition as true. The insight as to do with a proper understanding of the way particularity and universality work. The nations, in these wise men come to worship Christ and Christ receives the worship for people in every tongue, tribe, and nation. All men from all tribes, clans, races, and nations are commanded to come to Christ just as these esteemed men came. However, in coming they did not lose their national identity. They came, if Church tradition is correct, as Kings representing Europe, Arabia, and Africa. Men from every tribe, tongue, and nation as in their tribes, tongues and nations. There we find all the nations in their nations gathered around Christ to worship Him. Those who gather to worship Christ have a unity that does not sacrifice their particularity. It is the principle of the one and the many.

Anyway, it is appropriate that these Kings should come as the covenant is going to be expanded to include the nations. Israel will refuse her Messiah but the nations own Christ and the reputation of Christ is enlarged by the swarms of people groups that come to worship Christ.

Now we have these Magi and they are bearing gifts. We shall look at the gifts in turn but first let us note that there very presence was anticipated by Scripture. All of what we are seeing here is a fulfillment of OT prophecy regarding the Messiah. Remember Matthew is one of the more Hebraic of the synoptic Gospels and he returns repeatedly to the OT. Many believe that Matthew is seeking, in His Gospel, to reveal Christ as the faithful Israel as compared to faithless Israel. As such he pays close attention to the Old Testament. With the recording of the coming of the Magi Matthew may have had in mind Psalm 72,

10 [m]Let the kings of Tarshish and of the [n]islands bring presents;
The kings of Sheba and Seba offer [o]gifts.
11 [p]And let all kings bow down before him,
All nations serve him.
15 So may he live, and may the gold of Sheba be given to him;
And let [u]them pray for him continually;
Let [v]them bless him all day long.

Or alternately Matthew may be appealing to Isaiah 60,

“Nations will come to your light,
And kings to the brightness of your rising.

“A multitude of camels will cover you,
The young camels of Midian and Ephah;
All those from Sheba will come;
They will bring gold and frankincense,
And will bear good news of the praises of the Lord.

So Matthew is seeking to connect the prophecies of the OT to their fulfillment in the NT, something he does repeatedly in his Gospel. Sometimes Matthew does it explicitly. Sometimes he does it implicitly.

Whom we call “Wisemen” the text refers to as “Magi.” R. T. France in his commentary tells us that Magi was originally the name of a Persian priestly caste, but later, this title was used widely for magicians and astrologers.

These magi were high ranking statesman in the kingdom of Babylon, and then the Mede and Persian kingdoms.

Herodotus, the ancient Greek Historian, tells us that the magi were trained in the arts and sciences. They were the university professors and the political power-players all rolled up into one.

No Persian prince ever became king without having been tutored by the magi, and only when the magi determined the heir to the throne to be ready would the prince be crowned king. They were essentially Kingmakers and these Kingmakers present themselves to Herod to speak of the one who has already been born King of the Jews.

Let’s turn to the gifts for a moment;

 

The Church understood the gifts brought by the wise men as having symbolic significance.

Gold being a chief representation of value in the ancient world it was used especially in the context of royalty — men and gods. In the Old Testament, we find the Ark of the Covenant being overlaid with gold (Exodus 25:10-17).  Also in Solomon’s temple, we find it decked out with 3000 tons of gold.

Gold, therefore, represented the royal and divine standing of the Messiah. He was both very God of very God and King of Kings.

Frankincense represented his divine birth

Frankincense is an aromatic white resin or gum used in incense, oils, and perfumes. It is obtained from a particular type of tree in Arabia. The way it is harvested from these trees is by making incisions in the bark and allowing the gum to flow out. It is highly fragrant when burned and was therefore used in worship, where it was burned as a pleasant offering to God (Exodus 30:34).

Then the Lord said to Moses, “Take for yourself spices, stacte and onycha and galbanum, spices with pure frankincense; there shall be an equal part of each.

It is interesting that this incense made with frankincense was to be used only in worship. Anybody caught wearing it would be cut off from the people.

Here we may find, at the very beginning the hint of the fact that Christ would be himself our pleasant offering to God as our burnt offering sacrifice.

Myrrh represented the humanity of Jesus by suggesting his mortality

Myrrh was also a product of Arabia, and was obtained from a tree in the same manner as frankincense. It was a spice and was used in embalming. It was also sometimes mingled with wine to form an article of drink. Such a drink was given to our Savior when He was about to be crucified, as a stupefying potion (Mark 15:23). Matthew 27:34 refers to it as “gall.” Myrrh symbolizes bitterness, suffering, and affliction. The baby Jesus would grow to suffer greatly as a man and would pay the ultimate price when He gave His life on the cross for all who would believe in Him.

Taken all together it is interesting what is going on here that whereas in the OT the examples are of Faithful Israelites being proven superior to foreign wise-men (Gen. 41, [Pharaoh’s dream] Ex. 7-10 Pharaoh’s Magicians vs. Moses] Daniel 2 [Nebuchadnezzar’s forgotten dream]) here instead it is the foreign wise men who are superior to faithless Israel thus again hinting at the eventual unfolding of the Gospel where unfaithful Israel is displaced by the Gentile Church as God’s people.

When we take the text as a whole we see that what is going on here is a contrast between the illegitimacy of Herod’s rule as well with the Jewish wise men whom Herod at appointed with the legitimacy of the Messiah and His Magi wise men. There is a fairytale quality to this, and in saying that I mean zero disrespect.

Once upon a time there was a wicked pretender King who ruled over a people to whom he was not related by blood nor by faith. A violation of this people’s law book. While he was usurping this throne the true heir to the throne was born in an obscure and impoverished village to poor peasant parents. While still a toddler the child was visited by Kings from the East in fulfillment of a long known but forgotten prophecy. These Kings from the East had been guided by a supernatural star in the sky which they had long studied in anticipation of their trip. Upon arrival to worship the true King they stop and visit the pretender King who feigns interest only with the purpose of killing the child with the purpose of keeping his own wicked throne secure.

As a brief aside it is interesting the means that God uses to make known His Son. We often speak of God making Himself known via natural revelation and special revelation. In the arrival of Christ we see both of these means being used. To the Shepherds God’s uses what we would term as Special Revelation providing an Angelic band to make the announcement to them. However, to the Wise men every indication is that their discovery was in keeping with a kind of Natural Revelation whereby they studied the matter out consistent with astronomy and on the basis of that natural revelation the Wise men came to worship the Messiah.

Purpose of the Wisemen’s visit

All they wanted to do was Worship the King.

But their were hurdles to that worship they sought to bring and the main hurdle was a chap named Herod. Let’s talk about him a wee bit.

Like many of the Jews today, Herod, though known as “the King of the Jews” was no Jew. He was an Edomite …. a descendent of Esau.

The text reveals that Herod was troubled at the news the Magi bring of the birth of the King of the Jews. And when Herod was troubled all Jerusalem was understandably trouble with him because the man was, like many politicians, a psychopath. This is proven by his murdering of his wife Mariamne I due to his great jealousy against her. In his final 2 years of life, Herod’s paranoia of being overthrown became so terrible that he murdered three of his sons. This helps us to understand this man who will soon order all the young boys to be killed in Bethlehem in order to try and kill the true King of the Jews … the Messiah.

This fake King who lived on the scale between sociopath and psychopath had been told that the King of the Jews was already born. His paranoia is driven by the fact that he knows he is a pretender King ruling over a people who the OT had clearly taught were to be the ones ruling over the Edomites. Going back some two millenium Jacob had been blessed by his Father under deceptive circumstances,

“Let peoples serve you, and nations bow down to you. Be lord over your brothers, and may your mother’s sons bow down to you.” Genesis 27:29a

But now the sons of Jacob were bowing down to Herod the Edomite whom Rome had finally granted him his life-long wish to carry the title, “King of the Jews.”

For 1900 years there had been this sibling rivalry between Esau and Jacob and their descendants and now Herod the Edomite … the usurper, in the time of his dotage and the last years of his reign … hears that the true King of the Jews has been born.

We should note here a word about God’s providence. The might and plans of the wicked find them plotting and scheming but when God moves to accomplish what He will, nothing can stop His providence. Not even a maniacal and mentally ill King Herod. This is why Scripture teaches that God sits in heaven and laughs at the plots of the wicked against him.

We should also note again how worthy of Worship Christ remains. It should be our prayer that we would realize that every week as we gather to worship Christ we are, in some sense, repeating what the Magi came to do. Are we all in to worship Christ as they were?

We should also thank God that He receives our worship for the sake of Christ who imputes His righteousness to our worship so that it is heartily received. We are not turned away from worship because Christ is our the one who makes us fit for worship and who makes our worship fit to be received.
 

 

 

 

 

Statutes To Satan Are All The Rage On State-Property Everywhere

It seems that displays/statues  honoring Satan on or around State grounds of various state capitals is becoming all the rage these days. This season both New Hampshire and Minnesota had such displays for the eager public to witness. Previously, as we know, Iowa had a display before it was demolished by a ardent supporter of all things Christian. It seems Illinois in the past has also been a part of this Ba’al Zebub hit parade.

In Minnesota the State House removed its statue honoring Satan during this Christmas season but leaves a similar Satanic symbols up on the State House grounds as seen by a Hanukkah menorah remaining on display on the Capitol grounds. The New Hampshire displays seems to have gone through several different incarnations as it has had to be repaired after several visitations by different citizens of New Hampshire who apparently thought of themselves as the 2nd coming of Gideon. May the Lord Christ raise up many more such men.

On the surface displays honoring old Slewfoot is seen as a bad thing but, as I am one to always find the silver lining in every cloud I see all of this Satan pooping on State grounds potentially a good thing if people will just think through the implications. You see, the argument that these followers of the “Lord of the Flies” have been making is “that since there is freedom of religion, we, as Satanist ass-kissers have a right to ‘Hail Satan’ on the state grounds as much as the Jesus Worshipers have a right to their nativity scenes.” Frankly, this reasoning is sound if we grant the premise of freedom of speech and freedom of religion as those are currently understood by our brain dead overlords, thanks to the brain dead doctrine of incorporation given to us by the brain dead Supreme Court, courtesy the brain dead 14th amendment given to us by the brain dead US Congress. But I repeat myself.

Let’s just say it plainly, without horns or teeth; “The idea of freedom of religion and freedom of speech is skubala.” First of all there is the reality that such ideas are a myth. For example, I do not have freedom of religion because my religion and my God insists that I am not to live with any other Gods before my God. Freedom of religion for everyone means I do not have freedom of my religion to limit other religions as those other religions are now limiting my religion from recognizing that there is no God but God for both myself and for the social order. The God of the Bible is not the God in the Bible when He has to share time in the public square with statues (or even nods) to Allah, to the god of the Talmud, or to Satan. This is not freedom of religion. This is freedom of polytheism in the public square and it is all supported by the State which by inviting all the gods into the public square is therefore proclaiming, by way of policy, that the God of the Bible is not the true God. Freedom of religion is a myth. What we currently have is freedom only for the religion of polytheism/pluralism.

This idea of “freedom of religion” once worked here because the context of freedom of religion was a freedom of Christianity as it existed as among the various different expressions of Christianity. However, with the passage of time freedom for various different expressions of Christianity has become freedom of explicitly Satanic statues in the public square as exalting everyone from Satan to his subalterns Allah, the demon Talmud god, and the flying Spaghetti Monster. I’m sure that soon to come we will have statues honoring Vishnu, Buddha, and some porn queen Goddess. Can’t leave anyone out, you know.

So, we see that “Freedom of Religion” is a myth. By having all the gods in the public square any religion that insists only its religion should be honored as THE religion is ruled out of bounds. This means that the one religion that embraces all religions is the only religion allowed. That is decidedly NOT freedom of religion. Freedom of religion is a myth.

Second, the God that is ruling over all gods and so demanding its religion be adhered to by all is the State God. In the State we now live and move and have our being. The State decides how far any of the gods can proceed in the public square and that means that the state is now god over the various other gods. The state determines if the god of the heathen Mormons will be allowed to sanction polygamy for his adherents. The state determines if the god of some Indian tribe can smoke peyote for its religious services as their god requires. The state tells the Christian God that He will not be honored by requiring shopkeepers to close their doors on Sunday. On and on it goes. Not only if freedom of religion a myth but its also the case that the religion we are required to follow is Statism. Everything inside the state and nothing outside the state.

So, lets me done with the idea that somehow we, unlike other countries, have “Freedom of Religion.” We not only do not, it is not possible for such a thing to exist. Since there is no neutrality there will never be a social order where Freedom of Religion or Freedom of Speech exists.

Because this is true as Christians we should advocate a return to an explicitly Christian Nation, much as existed during our beginnings when State Constitutions would require belief in the Trinity in order to serve as magistrate or belief in God’s Word being inspired, or belief in Jesus Christ or sundry other expressions that were present in the various early and original state constitutions.

Something else to keep in mind here is that the existence of a plurality of faiths in a social order (multi-faithism) will always eventually bring about multiculturalism since faith(religion) drives culture. And since multifaithism and multiculturalism (which is synonymous with pluralism) really is given over to the pursuit of a unitary faith and a unitary culture (a singular undivided statist faith and culture) what has to be in existence at the same time in all pluralistic arrangements is multi-racialism, which is likewise committed to creating a singular undivided race/ethnicity. Just as in ancient Rome where you could serve any God you liked so long as that God served the One Emperor and One Empire so today you can have any religion (faith), any culture, or any ethnicity as long as they are not distinct and serve the State. Distinct faiths, religions, and ethnicities are a mirage. It’s like Henry Ford selling cars along ago…. “You can get the Model-T in any color you like as long as it is black.” So today you can have any faith, culture, or ethnicity you want as long as it isn’t distinct and serves the State. To use an analogy, the state is a giant blender and everything that is distinct goes into the state and gets blended together. If you refuse to be blended you are at best marginalized and at worst sent to the gallows.

So, as Christians let’s be done with not only statues to Satan but also statues to all Satanic gods and let’s once again be a distinctly White Christian culture and nation.