The Idea of the Limiting Concept as a Philosophical Tool; Neo-Orthodoxy vis-a-vis Van Til

“A ‘limiting concept’ for Van Til is one that needs another if it is to be properly understood. It implies a complementarity. For example, one part of the Bible will not be properly understood without the other parts.”

For Kant, a limiting concept means a barrier beyond which human reason cannot go. God, as a concept, limits human thought, whether or not he exists.”

William Edgar


This idea of CVT of a limiting concept is distinct from the idea of a limiting concept for someone like Kant who posited a noumenal realm, the contents of which were indefinable and unknown to man. Kant placed God in that noumenal realm but still spoke of God but only as a limiting concept to keep man’s abstractions from completely slipping off the table.
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“Though for Kant a limiting concept presupposed his agnosticism with respect to our knowledge of the noumenal, for Van Til a limiting concept is that which is, at one and the same time, determined and defined by another, limiting, concept. Thus, the doctrine of election is a limiting concept with respect to our choices. It should be remembered that limiting concepts are not necessarily on a par with each other. God’s election precedes our choices. Given creation, however, one (freedom) is defined and determined by the other (election).”

Scott Oliphint

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(1)The Neo-Orthodoxy foundational principle is (2) dialecticalism. The dialectical principle consists of the idea of the (3) exhaustive humanist correlativism of God and man, as (4) limiting concepts, as expressed in the idea of (5) the sovereign meaning making Kierkegaardian subjective individual.

1.) Neo-orthodoxy = Barthianism

This idea is still frequently found in the Church today and is taught in one form or another in most of the mainline Seminaries. (Note – Postmodernism in its varied expressions is just an extension of this neo-orthodox existentialism.)

2.) Dialecticalism — Reasoning by way of taking opposite principles (thesis vs. anti-thesis) and arriving at a “truth” that is a synthesis of each opposite extreme.

3.) Exhaustive human correlativism of God and Man = The Neo-orthodox take the idea of God and Man (as defined anthropocentrically by autonomous man) as interconnected opposites and then preforms the operation described in #2.

4.) Limiting concepts = For the neo-orthodox neither God or Man is concretely defined. The only purpose they have is to provide conceptual limits for the purpose of reasoning. God existed in the noumenal (unknown) realm and so anything said about God is just an abstraction intended to provide boundaries for reasoning. Man exists in the phenomenal (known) realm but as man cannot be known without a known God man also becomes an abstraction intended to provide boundaries for reasoning vis-a-vis a God which only exists as an man-made autonomously created limited concept. (Note — The word “God” is merely a placeholder for the projection of autonomous man. Such a god has no independent existence.) Man and God are thus each and both limiting concepts of the other.

5.) the idea of the sovereign meaning making Kierkegaardian subjective individual = The Philosophy of Kierkegaard which held that the subjective individual was sovereign and as such was the one who was responsible for making meaning. For Kierkegarrd the Objective (God) had disappeared and all that was left was the sovereign meaning making subjective individual.
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“Since all unbelief is resigned to the dialectical methodology, it is the foundational principle not only of Neo-Orthodoxy, but of every ideology that is not Biblical, Historic, Reformed Christianity. Neo-Orthodoxy is simply a pretense of Christianity that doesn’t really want to be Christianity.”

Scott Craig Mooney

God’s Glory Is God’s Purpose In Redemption

The Redemption of Israel accomplished by God is God-centered. For, as Ezra will later say to the Lord, in saving Israel, “you made a name for yourself (Ezra 9:10)”

Thomas Schreiner
The Beauty of the King — p. 217


Why would we think it any different when that typological Redemption of Israel is fulfilled in Jesus Christ Redeeming His Church? That Redemption as accomplished by God was and remains God centered. God’s intent in saving His Church is not primarily about our rescue, or our being delivered from sin, Satan, self, and hell. No, those are only proximate purposes of God’s redeeming His people. Ultimately God’s redeeming His Church, in the sweep of Redemption centering in Christ, remains to make a name for Himself. God Redeemed His people so that His name may become as famous as it never ceases to be.
Our Redemption is not about us. Our Redemption did not find its teleological purpose and end on and in the Elect. God did not Redeem us primarily because He loves us, though indeed He does. God Redeemed us because He primarily loves Himself and His glory. God Redeemed us so that He might make a name for Himself through His Redeemed people.

We were not the center of God’s purposes in saving us. The center was and is the making known of the majesty and glory of God. The center was and is that the goodness and beauty of God might become legendary among those with eyes to see. The center was and remains that in our Redemption the Cosmos would be awe-struck that such a great God could take such a lowly rabble as the Redeemed and use them to conquer all opposition.

When we reduce Christianity to being contained within the Church we evacuate the center of why God provided Redemption in Christ. When we reduce Christianity to being primarily fire insurance we evacuate the center of why God provided Redemption in Christ. When we reduce Christianity to sentimental and pietistic niceties we evacuate the center of why God provided Redemption in Christ.

The purpose of Redemption was and remains to make a name for God. Are we making a name for the most exalted God of all splendor?

Oh Lord Christ, give us a burning passion to make a name for you as consistent with who you are.

Scripture & The “R” Word – Part III



Cho’s next “evidence” that the Scriptures speak against “racism” is,

5. THE WORK OF CHRIST

In Ephesians 2:11-22, the Apostle Paul reminds us that the work of Jesus on the cross not only obliterated the vertical wall between God and humanity but also tore down the horizontal walls between people. The cross was the great equalizer – in it, we see that everyone is equally in need of grace and nobody has first dibs on salvation. Racism, in contrast, is an attempt to reverse the work of Jesus. It is a demonic attempt to rebuild the walls that Jesus has already torn down. To Jesus’ “It is finished,” racism says, “Not if I can help it.” At its core, racism is an anti-gospel.

First, I readily concede that everyone is equally in need of grace, if by that it is meant that unless people trust in Christ they are all damned regardless of how much or how little common grace they have received. However, saying that all are equally in need of grace is not the same as saying that all are equally depraved. I do not agree that all are equally depraved.

Second, we quite agree that the Cross tears down the spiritual dividing wall of hostility so that, for example, Christian Japanese and Christian Hutus are one spiritually in Christ but that doesn’t mean that very real ethnic differences disappear once one turns to Christ. To insist otherwise makes one Gnostic. Becoming a Christian doesn’t mean that our creational categories disappear. I don’t quit being a male, a Father, a Son, or a husband because I become a Christian. Similarly, being grafted into Christ doesn’t mean I lose my racial / ethnic identity. The way Mr. Cho speaks here is to suggest that grace destroys nature as opposed to the Christian position that grace restores nature. Yes, the dividing wall that divided peoples is eliminated so that we are all spiritually brothers and sisters in Christ. However, being spiritually one in Christ doesn’t mean that race or ethnicity disappear, or become insignificant.

I’m merely echoing John Calvin with the above paragraph,

“Regarding our eternal salvation, it is true that one must not distinguish between man and woman, or between king and a shepherd, or between a German and a Frenchman. Regarding policy, however, we have what St. Paul declares here; for our, Lord Jesus Christ did not come to mix up nature, or to abolish what belongs to the preservation of decency and peace among us….Regarding the kingdom of God (which is spiritual) there is no distinction or difference between man and woman, servant and master, poor and rich, great and small. Nevertheless, there does have to be some order among us, and Jesus Christ did not mean to eliminate it, as some flighty and scatterbrained dreamers [believe].”

John Calvin (Sermon on 1 Corinthians 11:2-3)


Contrary to Calvin’s observation I’m sure it is not really the case the Mr. Cho is a flighty and scatterbrained dreamer. At least, I hope not.

Nobody is seeking to reestablish the dividing wall of hostility as the many Christian friendships among people of varying races and ethnicity who disagree with Mr. Cho demonstrates.

I disagree thoroughly with Mr. Cho and it couldn’t be more of a lie to suggest that I and all sane thinking Christians want the work of the Cross limited or that sane thinking Christians desire to build some kind of wall which separates the spiritual unity of all Christians. Cho is just in error here and the text he appeals to does not prove that Scripture supports “Racism” in the Cultural Marxist meaning of the word is a sin.

Mr. Cho’s next “proof” for the Scriptures opposition to “racism.”

6. PARTIALITY AND COMPLICITY

The Book of James spends a great deal of time condemning the practice of partiality within the church. Partiality is simply showing favoritism to one group of people over another. It is to overvalue certain people or undervalue others. James implies that partiality is directly opposed to the ethic of love: “If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself,’ you are doing right. But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers” (James 2:8-9).

In fact, in Galatians 2, the Apostle Paul tells us that he had to publicly rebuke a fellow Apostle, Peter, for his complicity in partiality. Peter, a Jewish man himself, who had formerly been fellowshipping with Gentiles, drew back out of fear of a Jewish Christian faction that believed that Gentiles needed to become Jewish before they could be fully included in the church of Jesus. While these Jewish Christians had shown partiality by making ethnic and racial identification an additional condition for Gentiles to become children of God, Peter had been complicit in their actions by disassociating with the Gentiles. Paul, therefore, quickly recognized that both the direct partiality of this faction and the indirect complicity of Peter were “not in step with the truth of the gospel” (Galatians 2:14). He made it a point to address this publicly in the presence of the church because of how serious of a matter it was to the gospel.

The James passage is not dealing with ethnic or racial issues. It only forbids a sinful favoritism that is based on the love of money. It is certainly true that Christians should not practice favoritism for that which is sinful. The James passage however does not forbid a biblical favoritism that is based on love for one’s own people such as we see in Romans 9:3 and I Timothy 5:8. The fact that St. Paul had a category for biblical favoritism is seen in his Holy Spirit inspired warning against Cretans in Titus 2.

12) One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons. 13 This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sternly, so that they will be sound in the faith.

So, favoritism because of the amount of filthy lucre one Christian has vis-a-vis another Christian is sinful. However, to say that some types of favoritism are evil while others are noble is unwarranted. It certainly was required to not show any favoritism to non Christian Cretans.

Indeed, Jesus Himself practiced ethnic favoritism at the beginning of His ministry,

Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.

We see this favoritism again in Matthew 15 a few chapters later

21 Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.” 23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.” 24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” 25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said. 26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.” 27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.” 28 Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted. And her daughter was healed at that moment.

Our Lord and Master Jesus shows favoritism. He does eventually answer the Canaanite woman’s request but his language to the woman shows favoritism for His own people. Israel had not yet rejected her Messiah and as such Israel is explicitly first favored with the Gospel. And that rightly so.

Likewise we should demonstrate favoritism even with whom we share the Gospel. Charles Spurgeon reminds us of this.

Piety must begin at home as well as charity. Conversion should begin with those who are nearest to us in ties of relationship. I stir you up, not to be attempting missionary labors for India, not to be casting eyes of pity across to Africa, not to be occupied so much with tears for popish and heathen lands, as for your own children, your own flesh and blood, your own neighbors, your own acquaintance. Lift up your cry to heaven for them, and then afterwards you shall preach among the nations.”

“Andrew goes to Cappadocia in his after-life, but he begins with his brother (Peter); and you shall labor where you please in years to come, but FIRST of all YOUR OWN HOUSEHOLD, first of all those who are under your own shadow must receive your guardian care. Be wise in this thing; use the ability you have, and use it amongst those who are NEAR AT HAND.”

Charles Spurgeon

WORDS OF COUNSEL FOR CHRISTIAN WORKERS, pp. 5-6

When we turn to the Galatians passage we must realize that we are not dealing with an issue of favoritism here so much as we are dealing with a refusal to be obedient to an explicit commandment. The issue we are dealing with here is Peter’s refusal to embrace Jesus commandment that the Gospel was to go to every tribe, tongue and nation. What is communicated in Galatians 2 is not that it is sinful to show favor to one’s own people. What is communicated in Galatians 2 is that it was sinful to suggest to people that they had to become cultural Jews before they could become Christian. Peter is practicing an unbiblical favoritism because he is communicating to the Gentiles that they have to reject the new covenant in favor of the Jewish old covenant. Paul resist Peter to his face not because Peter withdrew from table fellowship with the Gentiles, thus practicing unwholesome racial favoritism, but rather because by refusing table fellowship with the Gentiles Peter was favoring the old covenant over the new and better covenant. Peter was denying the Gospel. That was and remains a unbiblical favoritism.

Again, on this matter Timothy L. Cho is just in error when he suggests that Scripture forbids Racism as defined as,“a system of advantage based on race.” As early as Augustine Cho’s idea was rejected,

Difference of race or condition or sex is indeed taken away by the unity of faith, but it remains imbedded in our mortal interactions, and in the journey of this life the apostles themselves teach that it is to be respected, and they even proposed living in accord with the racial differences between Jews and Greeks as a wholesome rule.”

St. Augustine on Galatians 3:28

Still Cho presses on trying to make the Scriptures say what they do not say. The Scriptures do not characterize Racism as a sin when Racism is defined as “as a system of advantage based on race.”

Next Timothy L. Cho offers as Scriptural proof against “Racism,”

7. THE GREAT COMMISSION

In Matthew 28:18-20, Jesus commissions the church to make disciples of all nations. We have to remember that the original hearers of Jesus’ Great Commission were Jewish men, who by tradition and custom had long-considered non-Jewish people as unclean and cut off from God’s promises to Israel. Jesus’ commission pushed these Jewish men outside of their own ethnic boundaries and comforts to bring the gospel to the ends of the earth and to fellowship with non-Jews. The Great Commission is a mission with a centrifugal direction that flows outward to those who are different from yourself. In direct contrast, racism – especially in the form of ethnocentricity and racial superiority – are essentially centripetal, always flowing inward into one people group at the expense of others. Racism attempts to reverse the direction that Jesus’ Great Commission calls us toward.

The Great Commission only proves that the Gospel is to go forward so as to conquer all the Nations. It calls for incorporating the nations into the Church and that as identifiable nations. What it doesn’t do is provide an expectation that all the nations enter into the body of Christ (the Church) the way Orange Juice, Tomato Juice, Creme de-menthe and Olive Oil might enter a full on blender. The Church is comprised as a Nation of Nations – a Confederacy if you please – with Jesus Christ as the King of all the various Kings representing their various nations. So, appealing to the Great Commission as a proof text against how Cho is defining racism is a non-sequitur.

Secondly, on this point we must remember where Cho started out in his calumny against Christianity in these united States. Cho started out by associating US Christianity with racism and yet the Missionary effort in these united State to the Nations, as called for in the Great Commission, has been exemplary. Billions of dollars have been raised to bring the Gospel to the nations. Missionaries on the way to the mission field in third world countries packed their earthly belongings in coffins because they knew they wouldn’t be coming back home. Some of the most self-denying Missionaries in the history of Missions have come from these united States. American Missionaries spent their whole lives seeking to bring the Gospel to the nations and Timothy Cho wants to complain about how “racist” America has been with its Great Commission endeavors? The article that man has written is insulting – and that is being kind.

The Great Commission in no way proves Cho’s point that the Scriptures forbid Cultural Marxist Trotskyite notions of “Racism.” In point of fact the Great Commission proves that God delights in nations as nations and desires the nations to continue as self-identified natios.

Finally, Cho ends with one more jejune appeal to the Scripture in order to prove that Scripture is against his definition of Racism.

Cho offers,


8. A NEW HEAVENS AND NEW EARTH

As surely as God promises a new creation, he also promises a beautiful tapestry of people from all different backgrounds and cultures worshiping Jesus on equal footing with one another.”

Just as the Bible opens with God creating everything from nothing, it ends with the great hope that God will make a new creation from what is now broken. In Revelation 5:9-10, God promises a new heavens and a new earth, where tears no longer will be shed and His righteousness will shine forth forever. At the center of this new kingdom are people “from every tribe and language and people and nation,” worshiping a risen, dark-skinned, Middle-Eastern God-man. As surely as God promises a new creation, he also promises a beautiful tapestry of people from different backgrounds and cultures worshiping Jesus on equal footing with one another. Racism, therefore, is a direct rejection of God’s new heavens and new earth.

When we turn to the Apocalypse of John we find Nations littered everywhere and what is being communicates, contrary to Cho, is the fact that Nations as Nations (as opposed to a blender universalism) are present in the New Jerusalem. Space does not permit us to mention every instance. We start with Rev. 7:9:

After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands…

When this passage is read in light of all that has been teased out before then it is past obvious that these nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues are to be considered as gathered in their nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues. The Lord Christ sends forth His spirit to collect people in the context of their ethnic and cultural identity – together won to Christ — not only individually but also collectively as Peruvians, Japanese, Hutus, Frenchmen, etc. There is no indication in Revelation that the Church is present in an undifferentiated mass of humanity. The very “racism” that Cho is seemingly arguing against is present in spades in the New Jerusalem. Cho doesn’t know what he is talking about and so mishandles the Scripture.


Again, in Revelation 21:26:


And they
(the respective Kings) shall bring the glory of the nations into it, into the new Jerusalem.


Dutch Reformed minister Doctor Klaus Schilder comments on this:


The universality of this covenant requires that not one race or people be left out. Yet during the old Testament times there was one nation singled out of the many as the chosen people, such separation was but an ad-interim. We may look upon the covenant as then on march toward fulfillment, towards times when all nations from the uttermost parts of the earth would belong to the covenant.


Schilder is telling us here that while there is one covenant and so one church that one covenant and one church has within it distinct and differing people and nations. This is just what we would expect from a God who is both One and Many in His essence. God Himself is One and Many and so the Church of Jesus Christ is likewise One and Many. One body … distinguishable parts. Unity in diversity.

Finally, in the very last chapter of Revelation:


1 And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb.2 In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.


Here we see Eden restored. The tree of life as it was in the garden is in the New Jerusalem – in the eschaton. In this Eden fully realized the tree of life is present to heal – not merely individuals – but whole nations. The redemption that Christ brings is a Redemption that is not only individual but especially National. Nations are redeemed. The Races maintained.

If Racism is defined as a system of advantage based on Race we see it everywhere in the Scripture. The family is a system of advantage based on Race. Marriage is a system of advantage based on race, up until the rise of Cultural Marxism 70 or so years ago. The Church was often organized according to race as articulated by Reformed theologian John Frame,

Scripture, as I read it, does not require societies, or even churches, to be integrated racially. Jews and Gentiles were brought together by God’s grace into one body. They were expected to love one another and to accept one another as brothers in the faith. But the Jewish Christians continued to maintain a distinct culture, and house churches were not required to include members of both groups.”

John Frame,
“Racism, Sexism, Marxism”

So, contrary to Timothy Cho’s claims, the Scriptures are silent on “racism” being a sin as Cho defined racism. There is nothing inherently sinful about advantaging your kin, tribe, and nation unless somehow in doing so one is overthrowing Biblical Christianity.

I can only pray that Cho takes serious this rebuttal and determines to examine his worldview which has been salted with Cultural Marxism categories.

Theocentric vs. Anthropocentic

Biblical Christians – which I consider synonymous with Reformed folks – have always been theocentric (God-centered) in their thinking. Indeed it is that which distinguishes them from those others we gladly embrace as Christians but of whom we insist are Christians who are embracing a sub-Christian Christianity.

We are passionately God centered… or at least try to be and when we fail in that we seek forgiveness for our thinking and behavior that was faithless in moving off that center. It breaks our heart when we see that sin or reflect on our past breaking of that conviction.

That we are a God centered people is seen in the fact that our by-word has always been the Sovereignty of God.

The Reformed mind, when it is humming consistent with its convictions takes seriously, “The Lord Omnipotent reigneth (Revelation 19:6).” The Reformed mind seeks to make concrete in his life the truth of Romans 11

36 For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.

The Biblical Christian is intoxicated with God centeredness.

It agrees heartily with A. W. Pink when he said,

“Learn then this basic truth, that the Creator is absolute Sovereign, executing His own will, performing His own pleasure, and considering naught but His own glory. “The Lord hath made all things FOR HIMSELF. (Prov 16:4). And had He not a perfect right to do so? Since God is God, who dare challenge His prerogative? To murmur against Him is rank rebellion. To question His ways is to impugn His wisdom. To criticize Him is sin of the deepest dye. Have we forgotten who He is?” (p.30).

This mindset has its fingerprints all over our Confessions,

Q.) What is the Chief End of Man

A.) Man’s chief end is to glorify God, and to enjoy him for ever.

Man’s reason for being is to have God at his center.

This God-centeredness shows up in the BCF when right out of the gate the Belgic confession centers on God.

ARTICLE 1—THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD We all believe with the heart and confess with the mouth that there is only one God, who is a simple and spiritual Being; He is eternal, incomprehensible, invisible, immutable, infinite, almighty, perfectly wise, just, good, and the overflowing fountain of all good.

Let’s articulate this from a slightly different perspective.

Commonly it is said that there are two ways of doing theology. Those two ways are theology from above vis-a-vis theology from below.

Theology from above is the use of God’s revelation (Scripture) as the means of doing theology. We seek to understand all things from God’s speech in the text of Scripture. Theology from below tends to start with man and his needs. It seeks to make the scripture relevant so as to meet the felt needs of men.

Theology from above focus on God and his purpose, plans and ways of making mankind know his will. The Scripture stands as the basis of studying all the activities of God and is the only source of information about him. It is also the only basis for Christian faith and practice.

Theology from below is not always sinful. It is not sinful to for man to want to know how God’s word speaks to him in this or that situation. Theology from below can be helpful when we have first done

our work as theologians from above. Inevitably, theologians will be selective in their choice of the Biblical passages. They will focus on passages that they think people in particular context and culture will be able to understand.

This passionate God-centeredness that expresses itself in a preoccupation with “theology from above” is what sometimes makes it difficult to communicate with other Christians who are prone toward “theology from below,” as well as moderns whose weltanschauung begins and ends with man. Indeed there are times when the Christian who does theology from below will be more inclined to agree with the Christ-less modern man against the Biblical Christian instead of agreeing with his fellow Christian.

Illustration – Van Til, “Mr Black, Mr. Grey, & Mr. White”

For example if the question is whether or not man is free to refuse God’s irresistible grace both the non-Christian and the “theology from below” Christian will agree against the Biblical Christian that man is free to refuse God’s desire to bring man into the Kingdom. Man must have a right to say “no,” to irresistible grace.

The theology from below mindset and the mindset of modernity do not necessarily rule out the possibility of God but all possibility of God is to be understood only with the reality that man is the center of all thinking. This is because all their thinking starts with the premise that man is the basic given. Man is the measure of all things. The rights of man are the rights alone we need to consider.

As another example

Theology from below along with modern man talks constantly about the rights of man while the “theologian from above” thoughts turn to God’s rights. Those who are contrary to us insist that all men from Muslims to Atheist folks have a right to practice their God hating faith and beliefs.

But we pause to ask that If they have that right to do that where would that right come from? From the God who demands that there shall be no other Gods before Him? And if that right they insist upon doesn’t come from God then where else can it come but from man?


So we have this contrast, anthropocentric thinking vs. Theocentric thinking.

Further this contrast is not only as between those outside and inside the Church but exists within the walls of the visible Church. Within the Church are members who anthropocentric in their thinking and those who are theocentric.

Illustration — Machen and Henry Van Dyke

“Beginning in October, 1923, Machen served as stated supply at Princeton’s First Presbyterian Church. Soon after preaching a series of messages on the issues dividing liberals and conservatives,7 he met opposition in the person of Henry Van Dyke, an old family friend, who surrendered his pew at First Church rather than sit under Machen’s “bitter, schismatic and unscriptural preaching.”8 Van Dyke’s tirade was carried by major newspapers throughout the country. Even Machen admitted that Van Dyke had boosted the sales of Christianity and Liberalism!”

Machen was thinking theocentrically while Van Dyke was thinking anthropocentrically.


Finally this contrast exists within myself and all of us. This orientation is the difference between who we are in Adam and who we are in Christ and we all struggle and will fail in being theocentric in our thinking more often than we’d like. We call this failure selfishness, or self-centeredness, or self-preoccupation. When violate in this way it is because we not theocentric in our thinking.

This Anthropocentric mindset which all of Adam’s descendants own as original sin, is hard-baked into our culture so that we are constantly carpet bombed with messages whose intent is destruction to theocentric thinking. From the novels we read, to the films we view, to the radio talk shows we listen to, to the news we consume we repeatedly absorb anthropocentric thinking.


That this is true is seen by Scripture having to instruct us to “set our minds on things above

Col 3:2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth.

Contrary to the way this is often cited, this is not a call of being heavenly minded in the sense of it being better to think on systematic theology vs. getting the car fixed or bringing flowers to your wife.

Rather I believe what the Apostle is getting at here is the necessity as he says elsewhere to take every thought captive to make it obedient to Christ. Dr. Meyer says it has to do with, “the whole practical bent of thought and disposition.” The Christian seeks to find the things above in all he does in this life on earth. If he fails in that he is then not setting his mind on things above.

Let’s spend just a wee bit of time here if only because recently I’ve listened to two lectures where I think the Ph.D., chaps citing Col. 3:2 were getting it dreadfully wrong. They were taking the passage in an almost Platonic – pietistic manner. Setting our minds on things above meant not being that concerned with politics, or philosophy, or economics, or Law, etc. Those are below things. The idea was that Christians have more important things to think about like spiritual things (whatever that might be).

This is a matter of “structure” and “direction.” The structure of all created life is good and so we can find the above in the created life. However, to often we set our minds on things below in the sinful direction which we take of the good structures. For example, philosophy is a structure that God created and if our minds are set above in the proper direction we can find the good. However if our minds are not set on above – if our minds are set on the wrong direction — then that which is a good structure will be corrupted.

All of our thinking must be theocentric – must be set on above — and so our Woldview must begin and end with God in all that we think about. We must find the above in all that think about and handle.

Too often our “Christian” thinking is like a vanilla ice cream cone dipped in chocolate. The vanilla ice cream represents anthropocentric thinking. The chocolate dip represents what we’d like to think isl theocentric thinking. We dip that anthropocentric thinking in the chocolate theocentric dip and we end up thinking that we are now God-centered in our thinking when all we really have is the thinnest of shell masquerading a thick substance of humanism. We slapped a prayer or a bible verse on thinking or behavior that is 100% consonant with pagan thinking or behavior and then called it Christian.

This kind of thing used to happen in College and Seminary Classrooms all the time. One would be studying, as random examples, Carl Rogers in a Psychology class, or Soren Kierkegaard in a philosophy class without exposing their anti-Christ thinking. Even though they were anti-Christ it was all good because we opened class in prayer. I had an existentialist as my main instructor for my philosophy degree in under-grad but he labeled his existentialism, “Christianity.” It took me some time to undo that damage.

The Biblical mindset that understands that God is sovereign and desires to think to the glory of God can’t be satisfied with the dipped ice cream approach.

This Biblical mindset we are talking about begins and ends with God.

We might add here that we cannot be theocentric without being theonomic in some expression. God’s character is His Law and so if we refuse to be theonomic we can hardly, without our noses going all Pinocchio, claim to be theocentric.

God’s Word is our final authority. It is our starting point. Our ending point. And God’s Word is our methodology that gets from starting point to ending point. Being theocentric and theonomic we do not use other disciplines to prove God without first starting with God in order to prove those disciplines. For example, we do not use Archaeology to prove the truth of Scripture without first appealing to the authority of Scripture for the legitimacy Archaeology. If we use anything else existing as independent of God to prove God’s authority is valid then whatever that anything else is, has become God’s source of authority and we have fallen into anthropocentric thinking.

And so the more successful we are in being theocentric the more we will be odd ducks in our anthropocentric culture. The more we are biblically theonomic, the more we will not feel at home among typical Americans or even typical American Evangelicals. We will often be theocentrically alone in the anthropocentric crowd. We will laugh at things that our anthropocentric compatriots find shocking. We will be in high dudgeon about matters that everyone else is shrugging their shoulders over. When everyone else is merely seeing with the eyes we are the ones seeing through the eyes.

“This life’s dim windows of the soul
Distorts the heavens from pole to pole
And leads you to believe a lie
When you see with, not through, the eye.”

Wm. Blake

And so as theocentric Christians we talk about God’s rights unlike the constant clamoring for ever increased ‘human rights,’ or if we do talk about human rights we anchor those rights in our duties to first God and then man. As theocentric if we dare ask “Why Me,” it is not related to why do bad things happen to me but rather it is why do good things happen to me. As theocentric we realize that not only our end but God’s end is God. God being the Summum Bonum (highest good) there is no end that can be higher or better than God. As theocentric we ache for the world made new, we desire for men to know the sweetness of this God centeredness, we delight in decreasing if it means that the God wherein the good, the true, and the beautiful find meaning increases.

McAtee contra Doug Wilson on Voting Trump – 2020



Over here

https://dougwils.com/books-and-culture/s7-engaging-the-culture/an-evangelical-case-for-four-more-years.html?fbclid=IwAR1qqrI5hhQJLs_kY7rINzgomGkD9r5AsB4vTX6sOc9c4JUAwW8r0-r_k3Y

Rev. Doug Wilson offers explains why he intends to vote for Trump this Fall. In this piece I intend to challenge the Man from Moscow’s “reasoning.” You will want to read the whole article. I have hit only what I believe are the high points.

Rev. Doug Wilson (hereinafter RDW) wrote,

“We all have authority over the content of our vote, but we also all have authority over the meaning of it. “

BLM responds,

Really?

And here I thought that God was the one who had the authority over the content of our vote and what it might or might not mean.

It turns out as one reads this article by RDW one discovers this idea expressed in RDW’s quote above provides the central pillar of reasoning for RDW. RDW’s reasoning boils down to, “I get to vote for whoever I want to and I get to assign whatever meaning I might want to my vote.”

This is a shocking statement for a theonomist to make. Theonomists used to think that God was the one who gave meaning to everything.

More on this later.

RDW wrote,

“So a person could vote for Luther’s apocryphal wise Turk without idolatry”

Bret L. McAtee

Seriously? One could vote for a complete Christ hater and that vote not be idolatrous?

Here is the difference between myself and RDW. RDW is practicing a teleological ethic when it comes to his voting. This means that RDW sees an end that he wants to get to and based on that desired end he is voting based on what he thinks (he can’t know) will get him to that end. This is also known as Consequentialism. Consequentialism, like teleological ethics, holds that the consequences of ones conduct (in this case the anticipated positives of voting for Sir Don) is the standard for adjudicating the morality or immorality of the contemplated conduct. A good result justifies the rightness or wrongness of the action in question (voting for the Big Orange).

On the other hand I am practicing what is called a “De-ontological” ethic when it comes to my vote. This ethic states, “what is right is right and I can’t deviate from that even if it might be seemingly to my advantage to deviate from this ethic.” Deontological ethics abides by the nostrum that the rightness or wrongness of an action should be based on whether that action is itself right or wrong per God’s law, rather than being based on the possible negative consequences of the action contemplated.

Believe me when I tell you that I feel the pull of Consquentialism here. I agree that from where I stand and from what I can see voting for “Mr. Apprentice” has strong appeal. The only way I resist that appeal is by being very deep in American history. A familiarity with American political history suggests that candidates seldom are what they represent themselves as being. I know it will come as a shock, but candidates lie. As much as I might want to vote for the incumbent I do not believe he is who he says he is, and I do not believe he will do what he has promised to do.

More on that later.

RDW writes,

I intend to vote for Donald Trump in the fall, as I did not do in 2016. But this is what such an action does not mean. It does not mean that I have gotten on the Trump train,

Bret responds,

This is an odd statement. It’s like saying “I intend to vote for Trump but I don’t support Trump.” By voting for Trump RDW is buying the ticket which means RDW is on the Trump train?

All aboard.

RDW writes.

It does not mean that I own a MAGA hat, it does not mean I have abandoned my conservative principles,

BLM

Well, sure it does RDW. When you vote for a guy who supports placing sodomites in his cabinet, and when you vote for a guy who has said we need more legal immigration, and when you vote for a guy who has never met any pork in his fat budgets that he doesn’t like you are abandoning, by definition, your conservative principles. If you vote for a chap who is liberal on sodomy, on spending, on increasing legal immigration you are abandoning your conservative principles and embracing progressive principles – and that no matter how much you shout to the contrary that you are not.

This article demonstrates how Trump is playing both sides on Immigration.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/2/an-immigration-report-card-for-president-trump/?fbclid=IwAR0pIEaWdqRN2J7k0TmTkXGPujDpZ4py0tX2MaJh_VN3rv-pdb2KSQFJiBU

RDW.

Put not your trust in princes.

BLM

But by voting for Trump with your teleological ethic which essentially says the ends in voting justifies the means in vote, you are putting your trust in Princes. To put your trust in God would mean you would vote for someone who didn’t’ appoint sodomites to his cabinet, who didn’t advocate for more legal immigration, and who didn’t spend like a drunker sailor on shore leave.

RDW

I have authority over what my vote means.

BLM

This seems to be the central failure of RDW’s post.

If it is true that I have authority over what my vote means I could argue that it is legitimate to vote for Bernie because what that vote means, per my authority, is that it will lead faster to the breakup of the US. Therefore it is a God-honoring vote. If I have authority over what my vote means then no one can challenge me on any vote. I can vote for Pete Buttigieg because I say that vote would mean that I don’t want an old dude to die in office.

This “I have authority over my vote,” sounds absolutely postmodern. I can make reality whatever I want it to be. I can my vote to mean anything I want it to mean.

Really, how could anyone ever argue against that type of reasoning. If your vote is what you say it means and that is that how could anyone ever contradict that? After all, your the authority over your vote. Sucks to be God.


RDW writes,

I have said before, using Victor David Hanson’s metaphor, that Trump is chemo-therapy. He is toxic, but he is more toxic to the disease that has been killing our body politic than he is to the body politic, which is the whole idea behind chemo. At the same time, once that disease is gone, evangelicals should be fully prepared to fight the downstream effects of that toxicity. And they will not be inconsistent or hypocritical in doing so.

BLM

Bad illustration RDW. It is routine for people to die from Chemo-therapy. Indeed, I would say that as a minister I’ve seen more people die of their chemo-therapy than I have seen people survive the chemo-therapy. By your voting for the Big Orange, RDW, you are the Doctor applying the Chemo. As the patient I’m not particularly confident you know what you’re doing RDW.

Secondly, on this score, it does seem hypocritical to vote for a guy whose administration has campaigned for the end of anti-sodomite laws throughout the world only to turn around and fight the guy on his Log cabin Republican appointees.

RDW writes,

If the Democrat wins, we will be in a very different place in 2024 than we will be if Trump wins. And I can see a route to where we ought to be from a post-Trump era, in a way that I cannot see from, say, a post-Sanders administration.

BLM

Here is the Consquentialist argument again. Voting Trump is not ideal but it is a better non-ideal then the non-ideal that Bernie would give us.

As I said earlier, I consider this the most convincing thing DW has said. It has all the trappings of making good sense. Still not good enough of a reason to violate God’s Word which is what gives meaning to our vote.

God’s word says,

I Corinthians 6:14 “Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? 15 And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? 16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God.”

Now, I have taken plenty of heat over the years to applying this text to the habit of voting. However, I remain convinced that a vote is a yoke. A yoke is a tying together of parties to end of accomplishing a particular task. When I vote I am yoking myself to the candidate I am voting for. I am transferring to him my authority to act on matters. I am lending him my strength. When he acts, I act in him. Some will remember this is the old idea of federalism.

There is no doubt that Trump is a better evil man then Democrat evil men, women who want to be men, and men who act like women, but where does Scripture allow me to vote for men who are not quite as evil as other men? Particularly when I’m expressly told “be ye not unequally yoked.”

RDW

Offers that a vote for Trump will lead to,

“the crown jewel of a remade judiciary will be the possible reversal of Roe.”

BLM

At this point I am wondering if Idaho has made Marijuana legal.

Seriously though, how many times have we been led down this path? Reagan is now 40 years in the rear view mirror. Reagan was going to give us “a remade judiciary with the possible reversal of Roe.” two of the three SCOTUS justices that the Gipper appointed voted to support Roe. Bush I appointed one pro butcher and one pro life.

Every four years since 1973 we have been told we have to vote for the Republican for President so that Roe could be overturned. That is now almost 50 years ago and there is no indication that Roe is going to be overturned. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me for 50 years and I’m a fool.

RDW

RDW next suggests that the deep state might go to jail for their crimes if Trump is re-elected.

a number of people who ought to be in jail will be given a fair trial toward that end.”

BLM

A handful of far lesser lights went to jail for Watergate.

Does anyone really think that Hillary, Comey, Brennan, Clapper are going to be put on trial? For Pete’s sake Doug, they didn’t even put McCabe on trial.

I suppose someone will accuse me of being overly cynical but after knowing that Col. Edwin House, Harry Hopkins, Owen Lattimore, Henry Morgenthau Jr., Harry Dexter White, Lauchlin Currie, the Dulles Brothers, etc. ad nausea never served well deserved jail time then you’ll excuse me if I see a pattern that suggests that RDW is as high as a kite when he thinks any of the Russia Pee story contributors are going to jail. I think I’m merely being a realist.


RDW’s last paragraph reads like stand up comedy.

RDW writes,

And last, the Trump era has exposed the real divide in America. This divide is not between Republican and Democrat (although the two parties have served as platforms wherein different factions try to manipulate the divide). The real divide has been between an elite and unaccountable ruling class, on the one hand, and the ruled taxpayer, on the other. But the problem is not the existence of elites, which is inescapable. The problem is the existence of unaccountableelites, which is the kind of thing our original constitutional framework was designed to prohibit and exclude. For every check, there must be a balance, and for every balance there must be a check. Our divided America is not an America divided between to rival political parties. Our America is now divided between two rival constitutions. One is the Constitution drafted by the Founders, and the other is an upstart constitution assembled out of various bits and pieces — erratic decisions by progressive judges, the implicit tyranny of the regulatory agencies, the apparatus that has been built up on the 1964 Civil Rights Act, a kennel-fed media, and so on. While Trump does not represent the originalist approach, he does represent an existential threat to the other approach, which explains the state of high panic, and all the dirty deeds being done out in the open. Trump represents that kind of threat for all kinds of reasons, mostly having to do with the divine sense of humor.

BLM responds,

I know Marijuana must be legal in Idaho.

Does RDW think this is something new? We’ve been living with this since the Lincoln Administration. Is he not familiar with the unaccountable elites of the Wilson, FDR, LBJ etc. administrations. We haven’t been living by our original Constitution since 1861. And Doug thinks voting for the Big Orange is going to change that.

I remain convinced that the Democrats and Republicans represent two sides to the same Elite coin. I’ve seen nothing that proves absolutely that Trump is any different. On the most important issues Trump continues to pursue the long established agenda. Trump is even more avidly Israel than any of our previous Presidents. Trump continues to grow the State as seen in his reckless spending. Trump as recently as 8 weeks ago publicly advocated increased legal immigration. Trump is pushing the sodomite agenda. The refugee problems remains untamed. (See Ann Corcoran’s website). These are indisputable facts.

Trump has talked the talk but like so many “conservatives” he doesn’t walk the walk so well.

Let me round off by saying that I think there is a chasm between who Trump is and what Trump symbolizes. If Trump really was what Trump symbolizes I’d vote for him in a skinny minute. But I’m convinced that what Trump symbolizes is the schtick that keeps the RDW’s on the Trump train.

I will defend Trump to the hilt when the discussion is on what Trump symbolizes. This is why I loathe “Never Trumpers.” They don’t get it that Trump is a symbol. Symbols are important and should be defended. But neither can I lock arms with the Trump fan-boys, who don’t seem to get that Trump isn’t what Trump symbolizes. It is an odd position to be in.

I don’t think Rev. Wilson’s argument for the Reformed voting for Trump is a good argument. In point of fact I think it is a particularly awful argument.

Believe me, I gain very little advantage in my circles by opposing Reformed folk voting for Trump.