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A few months ago, Rev. Chris Strevel decided he was going to weigh in on the wicked sinfulness of Kinism. I no longer identify as a Kinist since so much slander has been heaped upon that label. I’ve just decided to give it up rather than try and save it from the calumny, slander, libel and straw-man caricatures heaped on it by the Cultural Marxists and their legion of fellow “Reformed” travelers. So, instead of cleaning out the Augean stables of the misinformed, malignant and useful idiots, I’ve decided to open new stables with a new classification called “Familialism.” Now, sure as every Captain has a Tennille and as sure as every Green Hornet has a Kato and as sure as every R.C. Cola is accompanied by boiled peanuts Familialism will be slandered, libeled, purposely misinterpreted and soiled by the Cultural Marxists and their fellow travelers, but then we will just move on to Oikophilia. I have as many classification as the Communist have false fronts.

Having said that, though the concept itself, quite independent of the affixed category label needs to be defended and so I pause to defend the concept (again) against the usual ill informed, misinformed, and unwilling to ever be informed suspects. This time we have (again) another “Reformed minister” seeking to shine the light of Jesus on the evils of Christian social order. Our most recent contestant is one Rev. ChrisStrevel.

I will fisk this article in order to politely offer that the author is an Emperor who is wearing no clothes. Rev.Strevel’s article is titled, “Grace and Race.”

Rev. Strevel writes, (Hereafter — RCS)

The apparent lone gunman in the recent California synagogue shooting was a 19-year old member of a Reformed Presbyterian church. Assuming his on-line manifesto is a true statement of his views, he was motivated by a white nationalist, Jew-hating, conspiracy-obsessed worldview. One version of this social philosophy goes by the name of Kinism, which maintains that God intends for the various races to remain distinct. Its adherents blame a worldwide Jewish cabal for virtually every ill of our society, call interracial marriage between Christians intrinsically sinful, and believe that the European race and subgroups within it are intrinsically or at least historically superior to other races.

Rev. Bret responds, (Hereafter — RBM)

1.) How can it be denied with a straight face that historically speaking, White Western Christian Civilization has not been superior to African “civilization,” Chinese “civilization,” or Australoid “civilization?”

And it all depends on what he means by intrinsically superior as to whether or not that is so. Certainly White Christians are not made of better ingredients but if you combine the impact of generations of Christian civilization on the gene pool I suspect that makes a difference.

If the architecture of Gothic and Baroque cathedrals, the literature of Dante, Shakespeare and Milton, the science of Galileo and Newton, the legal systems of Rome and the Common Law and the philosophy and theology of Augustine, Aquinas, Calvin and Edwards do not attest the superiority of traditional, white European Christian culture over every other culture in the past 1500 years, then just what would Rev.Strevel uphold as an example of practical, temporal accomplishments of Christian society?

2.) If White Christians have NOT been superior to other races in terms of creating Christian civilization then who has been superior or is that not a question we are supposed to ask? And if nobody has been superior or inferior in terms of building Christian Civilization then are we not right back to the ‘all cultures are equal nonsense?’

3.) The Kinists I have known do hate Talmudists who embrace that Jesus is boiling in Semen in hell, just as they hate those who embrace the Koran, just as they hate Atheists who are seeking to run Christianity out of the public square. I should think Rev.Strevel would hate the wicked as well.

4.) The White Christian Kinists I have known do embrace White Nationalism just as my Black Christian Kinist friends embrace Black Nationalism and my Filipino Christian Kinist friends embrace Filipino Nationalism and my Indian Christian Kinist friends embrace Indian Nationalism. I’m not sure where the evil is in any of this. Maybe Rev.Strevel can identify the problem here. Is his problem with just White Nationalism or all Nationalism’s? And if he has a problem with White Nationalist but not other Nationalists why is that? On the contrary if he has a problem with all Nationalism does that mean Rev.Strevel is an Internationalist in his social order philosophy?

5.) In terms of “conspiracy,” Scripture clearly teaches that Conspiracies exist. We read of the Kings conspiring together against the Lord Christ in Psalm 2. We read of the Jews conspiring to kill Jesus and then conspiring to lie about Jesus’ Resurrection. For Rev.Strevel to complain about people who believe in conspiracy testifies Rev.Strevel’s own lack of familiarity with the Scripture which teach the Conspiracies happen routinely.

6.) Of course the opposite of the belief that God intends for the races to remain distinct is to believe that God desires for the races to be mixed so that all colors bleed into one. Rev.Strevel’s seeming conviction here seems to stand in contrast with Acts 17:26,

26 From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands.

7.) It is true that some Kinists call all interracial marriages between Christians sinful. It’s also true that some Kinists don’t call all interracial marriages between Christians ‘sinful.’ Some Kinists will say instead that normatively inter-racial marriage between Christians is not wise, but if contracted should be supported as much as feasibly possible. The Kinists who refuse to say that interracial marriage between Christians is sin are not energetic in their support of contracting such marriages because statistically speaking such marriages typically don’t have as high of a success rate as intraracial marriages. Rev.Strevel commits the logical fallacy of a hasty generalization here. He shouldn’t feel too bad about that because legion is the name of those who do the very same thing.

8.) I suspect that Rev.Strevel likewise believes in White superiority and I believe that we could call as a witness for Rev.Strevel’s belief in White Superiority Rev.Strevel’s own library. Rev. Streevel’s library of theology books, which will likely be from at least 99% white authors, will testify to the fact that Chris already understands white superiority. His bookshelves are testifying every day against his contrary assertion that he does not believe in White superiority.

9.) The idea that the shooter at Poway was animated by Kinism is pure slander and a violation on Rev. Strevel’s part of the 9th commandment. That has become rather routine in certain quarters of the Reformed Church. No Kinist embraces the notion that an individual randomly going all murderous is the answer to where we are currently at in this moment.

RCS writes in his Grace and Race article,

“Were it not so divisive, dangerous, and detrimental to the gospel, this social theory would be laughable. The church of the Lord Jesus Christ is one body made up of various tribes, tongues, nations, and races (Rev. 7:9).”

RBM

1.)Strevel asserts that Kinism is divisive, dangerous, and detrimental to the gospel,without proving it. Our honored Reverend by asserting Kinism is divisive, dangerous, and detrimental to the gospel has just indicted the very Christian social theory that has guided Western Christian Civilization for 1000 plus years. I tend to think instead that it is Rev.Strevel who is laughable.

2.) Apparently Rev.Strevel finds Dr. Gerharrdus Vos to be laughable,

“Nationalism, within proper limits, has the divine sanction; an imperialism that would, in the interest of one people, obliterate all lines of distinction is everywhere condemned as contrary to the divine will. Later prophecy raises its voice against the attempt at world-power, and that not only, as is sometimes assumed, because it threatens Israel, but for the far more principal reason, that the whole idea is pagan and immoral.

Now it is through maintaining the national diversities, as these express themselves in the difference of language, and are in turn upheld by this difference, that God prevents realization of the attempted scheme… [In this] was a positive intent that concerned the natural life of humanity. Under the providence of God each race or nation has a positive purpose to serve, fulfillment of which depends on relative seclusion from others.”

-Geerhardus Vos,
Biblical Theology

Don’t miss that Dr. Vos says that the social theory that Rev.Strevel’s is pushing is “pagan and immoral.” Dr. Carl F. H. Henry, like Dr. Vos has no problem with the social theory thatStrevel refers to as “laughable.”

When the magazine, Christianity Today, turned to the question of segregation in 1957, Dr. Carl F. H. Henry wrote that civil rights legislation ending segregation would be morally problematic,

“Forced integration is as contrary to Christian principles as is forced segregation,” he argued. “A voluntary segregation, even of believers, can well be a Christian procedure.”

3.) No Kinist has ever denied that the body of Christ is one spiritual body made up of various corporeal tribes, tongues, nations, and races. However, the unity of this spiritual body of Christ does not negate the reality that as that body incarnates itself on earth it incarnates itself in keeping with national and ethnic Churches. Rev.Strevel seems to mistake unity for uniformity. There can be unity among distinct National ethnic people group Churches. Most Reformed Pastors used to be aware of the theological concept of the One and the Many.

4.) If Rev.Strevel happened upon a group of Korean Kinists worshiping together in a Korean Reformed Church would this upset him? If not then why does Rev.Strevel get so exercised by the fact that White Westerners might likewise desire to worship together as a distinct people under the Lordship of Jesus Christ?

5.) Dr. John Frame doesn’t seem to have the problem with the social theory which Rev.Strevel can’t swallow,

“Scripture, as I read it, does not require societies, or even churches, to be integrated racially. Jews and Gentiles were brought together by God’s grace into one body. They were expected to love one another and to accept one another as brothers inthe faith. But the Jewish Christians continued to maintain a distinct culture, and house churches were not required to include members of both groups.”

John Frame
“Racism, Sexism, Marxism”

RCS writes,

Since all “speak the language of Canaan,” whatever their particular language may be, inclusion based upon “one Lord, one faith, and one baptism” is the most fundamental bond of all who call Jesus Christ “our elder Brother.” When our earthly connections lead to hate and bloodshed, we have denied the gospel of grace. When race, rather than God’s marvelous grace, defines us, we have denied our essential and eternal brotherhood. Neither Christ nor his apostles ever called the church to remain “ethnically pure.” This is an impossible dream based upon fear and pride, not upon God’s word.

RBM responds,

1.) No Kinist ever denied that entry into the Church is by the blood of Jesus Christ nor that said entry makes people of different blood, race, tribe and language spiritually one in Christ. Yet, spiritual unity does not mean that our differing bloods, races, tribes, and tongues disappear. Rev.Strevel seems to forget that grace does not destroy nature but restores nature.

2.) No Kinist has ever advocated hating other Christians from other National or racial or linguistic or tribal churches. It’s a lie to imply that they have. Christian Kinists consistently affirm that it is the essence of love to our Christian neighbors to respect who the Creator God has made them to be. We do no insist that they have to become White before they become Christian and we do not expect to be told we must become polyglot in order to become Christian.

3.) There is the faint whiff of gnosticism in Rev.Strevel’s approach here. Rev.Strevel seems to be implying that when we become Christian all the categories we were created with blow away like smoke. Grace destroys nature. God’s grace is our primary definer but being primarily defined by grace doesn’t mean secondary corporeal definers cease to exist. Charles Hodge understood this,

Paul had two classes of brethren; those who were with him the children of God in Christ; these he calls brethren in the Lord, Philip, i. 14, holy brethren, &c. The others were those who belonged to the family of Abraham. These he calls brethren after the flesh, that is, in virtue of natural descent from the same parent. Philemon he addresses as his brother, both in the flesh and in the Lord. The Bible recognizes the validity and rightness of all the constitutional principles and impulses of our nature. It therefore approves of parental and filial affection, and, as is plain from this and other passages, of peculiar love for the people of our own race and country.

Charles Hodge
Commentary Romans 9

Would Rev.Strevel accuse Dr. Charles Hodge of denying our eternal and essential brotherhood? Is Rev.Strevel entangled in some form of Gnosticism?

4.) Rev.Strevel writes of “our essential and eternal brotherhood.” Now, some may think this a quibble but since the creature is not and can not be eternal (Eternality being an non-communicable attribute) how is it that he can write of “our eternal brotherhood?”

5.) It seems to me that when Christ told the Apostles to disciple the NATIONS he implied that they would be discipling ethnically distinct people groups who were people groups, at least in part, because of their descent from a common ancestor.

6.) Can Rev.Strevel show me in Scripture where we have the authority to destroy the Nations in favor of a Marxist dystopia where ethnic distinctions are cast into oblivion? If in the book of Revelation we find the presence of Nations what authority do we have to disregard ethnic groupings? How can Jesus Christ be King of Kings if people groups disappear? Jesus Himself in Matthew 25 judges the Nations. How can Jesus do that if Nations as ethnic groupings disappear?

7.) I fear that this hatred of the Nations as God as ordained nations is based on Rev.Strevel’s fear and pride and not on God’s Word. That the early Church respected ethnic groupings is seen in Paul’s dealing with the Gentiles where he did not require them to become cultural Jews before becoming Christians. God Himself is a respecter of Nations as He sees fit to sustain their existence into the New Jerusalem (Rev. 21-22).

RCS writes,

Historically, the church has ever sought to bring in all within its pale, so that our fallen hatred of other races and tongues might be replaced by the communion of the saints. Some of our great theologians in the past and most faithful brothers in the present have been of non-European descent. I feel hardly any affinity with my white unbelieving neighbors, but much more with those who share “like precious faith,” whatever their nationality. It is God’s grace that makes one people to rise by faith and enjoy his earthly blessing (1 Cor. 4:7). Should that people reject his grace, like present-day Europeans and Americans, their race will not preserve them from sinking into blindness and barbarism.

RBM responds,

1.) No Kinist disagrees with the first sentence above. Black Kinists, White Kinists, Yellow Kinists, Brown Kinists have the most intense Christian fellowship I know and that without ever giving up being Kinist. Rev.Strevel’s implied insistence that Kinists are haters is a hateful thing for him to be saying against other Christians.

2.) Some … but of course most of our great theologians have been of European descent. Even those theologians who weren’t of European descent most of them would still be descended from Japheth. Still, we tip the cap to any God fearing theologian who God has raised up to teach His people. I know I’ve profited greatly from chaps like Thomas Sowell.

3.) We agree with Rev.Strevel that God is judging present day Europeans and Americans for rebelling against God’s grace. We also insist that God is judging the non-Caucasian peoples by making them a people with no roots or sense of belonging.

4.) Rev.Strevel admits that he has hardly any affinity for his white unbelieving neighbors. However, Rev.Strevel doesn’t mention how much affinity he has for his non-white unbelieving immigrant neighbors. Why is it that I tend to believe that Rev.Strevel has more affinity for his non-white unbelieving immigrant neighbors than he does for his unbelieving white neighbors.

5.) And here is an interesting question. Does Rev.Strevel have more affinity for his own family who are believers than he has for non-white immigrant believers? And if he does should he feel guilty? And if he doesn’t, then how is Rev.Strevel not a Kinist?

RSC writes,

“To some disturbed, frustrated, or marginalized individuals, violence appears the sole remedy to preserve American and specifically white, European, Christian culture.”

RBM responds,

One can’t help but wonder if in this statement Rev.Strevel is indicting Charles Martel, Charlemagne, John Sobieski, Jean LaVallete, Don Juan, St. King Louis, Godfrey of Bouillon , Baldwin, Philip I, Raymond IV and countless numbers of other Christian men who used violence as the sole remedy during their time to preserve European Christian culture?

This is not to sanction violence, it is merely to say that as the book of Ecclesiastes teaches there is a time and a place for everything under the sun and so we should be careful about making blanket condemnations.

RCS writes,

“Compounding these evils, a growing number of American Christians have embraced the lie that race, along with gender and sexual orientation, is an artificial construction… “

RBM responds,

At this point Rev.Strevel’s eyes seem crossed. Chris seems to have contradictory ideas on what he’s talking about. Race and ethnicity matter except when they don’t matter. They’re important except when they’re not. It is but it isn’t. It will but it won’t. It can but it can’t. They do but they don’t. One can only admire this Kalergi Clergy brilliance.

RCS writes,

“With respect to the hordes of displaced people throughout the world, we must recognize that men and women will seek greater freedom and prosperity. War, disease, poverty, persecution, and tyranny have often resulted in mass migrations.”

RBM responds,

And further we must recognize that men and women will seek to protect their borders in order seek the same greater freedom and prosperity. Also, we must realize that tyranny is driving mass migrations.

RCS writes,

“What is our national identity? Free bread and schools for everyone? Let us be very honest and clear. Neither whites nor blacks are indigenous to this land. The Europeans came here and claimed land that others occupied, perhaps haphazardly and not like we occupy our lands with clear title and fences, but they were here. We often went to war with them and met their self-defense efforts with bloody violence. Discipleship efforts were made by some, but the musket was the final solution.”

RBM responds,

1.) Let us keep in mind in the paragraph above that Strevel sounds like a Cultural Marxist. He has bought into both their nomenclature and their worldview.

2.) There were people who occupied the land before the Indians who occupied the land. What of their claim? Some research suggest those earlier people were Europeans.

3.) We went to war with them because they were SAVAGES, as noted by Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, and were killing our ancestors. Yes, I’m sure that pagan white people took advantage of them as well at times but to suggest that it was a one way street is just historically stupid and indicates a laziness in consulting the original sources. Has Rev. Strevel read the character of these people he is weeping over? These people groups were not the noble savage as romanticized about in Kevin Costner’s “Dances with Wolves.” They were, in many instances, a savage and ruthless people given to torture and violence.

RCS writes,

” One also thinks of the Southwestern United States and our infamous Mexican wars. Perhaps God is giving these lands back to their original inhabitants. “

RBM responds,

1.) Our infamous Mexican wars? Why does Rev. Strevel just assume that the Mexicans were innocents and we were the evil persecutors? Again .. this is the Cultural Marxist line. According to Rev. Strevel should we start speaking of St. Santa Anna?

2.) Perhaps God is seeking to wake us up so that our lands aren’t surrendered to the pagans?

RCS writes,

“Frankly, those who are so anxious to defend their white heritage had better reckon with its very checkered past and apostate present. It is easy to blame “them,” but let us look in the mirror. Jews and immigrants are not to be blamed for our present ills. Blame professing Christians, if you want to blame anyone, for they had the keys to our national door. It was white Christians who lost mainline denominations to liberalism and venerable institutions to strident progressivism and radicals. It was white Christians who lost this nation to the forces of globalism, centralized banking, paper money, and political polytheism. We have no one to blame but ourselves. We did not listen to our Lord. “If you continue in my word, you shall be my true disciples.”

RBM responds,

1.) This is true but the conclusions Rev.Strevel draws from it are asinine. So, because our Father’s sinned by giving up their heritage therefore we should not seek to gain it back by indicting the Talmudist and the pagan Minority who are trying to destroy us? Doesn’t repentance look like no longer giving in to God’s enemies? Yes, we sinned but repentance means running out God’s enemies.

RCS writes,

“If we humbly accept his chastening, then he deals with us as with his beloved children (Rev. 3:19). His main work is not to preserve a particular nation but his holy nation, his blood-washed church. She will survive and thrive if she builds upon him as her Rock and Redeemer. We shall face opposition for our allegiance to him, especially in these times. If you are going to die, however, or go to prison, let it not be because you fought as a foolish partisan for whiteness but as a faithful servant of the King of kings.”

RBM responds,

1.) What if you fight as a partisan for your fellow White Christians against those who would destroy the Christian faith by destroying the historic carrier of Christianity — White people?

2,) Again, the assumption here by Rev.Strevel are Baptistic. He is emphasizing the acts of individuals and missing that God saves by nations.

RCS writes,

Citizens of this country are rightly alarmed by mass illegal immigration, for we have laws that allow for peaceful integration into our society. However, as we cannot pay our own national bills, how can we take multitudes under our roof when our house is falling down? If our concern is cultural preservation, the question must be asked, “What culture?” A Christian nation? Whiteness is not Christian.

RBM responds,

1.)Strevel hints at the disaster that illegal immigration is as combined with mass welfare for all. Such a combination guarantees the eventual collapse of what we know as these united States of America.

2.) It is true that “Whiteness is not Christian,” though during the last 750 years if one wanted to locate Christian civilization one had to go to White countries. It is true that we are no longer a Christian nation but that is, in part due to people like Rev. Strevel not seeking to salvage the shards of Western Christian civilization that yet remains. We will have no hope of Reformation if Rev. Strevel’s ideas about ethnicity being marginally important are hearkened to.

RCS writes,

Churches must minister the gospel and tangible love to the oppressed who come here seeking refuge. God has brought these strangers here, even as we once came as strangers and pilgrims. We must also recognize that this will create problems, for most races – ask anyone living in New York City – prefer to maintain their separate customs and connections. This is not racism. It is the way God made us. His grace in Christ as it subdues our hearts to teachableness will certainly help us live together peacefully, but his grace does not nullify our race, preferences, and laws. And where we do not all speak the language of Canaan, of God’s true grace in Christ, this places a tremendous discipleship responsibility and pressure upon us. We must love and minister while we maintain clear separation from evil, disciple the lost, and wait upon God to sort out the mess created by rebellion against him.”

RBM responds,

1.) Yes churches must minister the Gospel to all who come under her voice.

2.) The talking of the “oppressed,” proves that Strevel has fallen into the language pit of the Cultural Marxists. God does not care about the reprobate oppressed any more than the reprobate oppressors as they are all outside of Christ

3.) God has brought these strangers here? Well, yes, according to His decree but not as consistent with His precepts. When we failed to stop this immigration horde we were violating God’s law.

4.) To compare our arrival here with the current illegal immigrant horde is apples and sandpaper. We came to a wilderness and carved civilization out of that wilderness. They are coming to civilization and turning it into a desert again.

5.) Law preferences? This guy is a theonomist? He doesn’t understand that law preferences occur because of the different Gods who are served?

6.) We are to wait on God and not clean up this mess ourselves as we adhere to God’s revealed precepts?

RCS writes,

“He has aligned and realigned men and nations many times before, and he is doing it again. It is an uncomfortable process,”

RBM responds,

What is happening is NOT the realigning of nations it is the destruction of nations. One would think a wise man would understand the difference. And as men of God we need to resist the destruction of nations for a new world order. I don’t see Rev. Strevel getting close to resisting destruction.

RCS writes,

If we humbly accept his chastening, then he deals with us as with his beloved children (Rev. 3:19). His main work is not to preserve a particular nation but his holy nation, his blood-washed church. She will survive and thrive if she builds upon him as her Rock and Redeemer. We shall face opposition for our allegiance to him, especially in these times. If you are going to die, however, or go to prison, let it not be because you fought as a foolish partisan for whiteness but as a faithful servant of the King of kings.”

RBM responds,

1.) Rev. 3:19 doesn’t say what Strevel says it says.

3:19 Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent.

Accepting God’s chastening does not mean we give up on our people — neither Christians nor our non-Christian kinsmen. Instead we plead with them to repent that God might visit seasons of restoration upon us. Strevel seems to suggest that repenting means we roll over and just accept conquest by those who clearly hate Christ.

2.) What if you fight as a partisan for your fellow White Christians against those who would destroy the Christian faith by destroying the historic carrier of Christianity — White people? Why is it foolish to be a partisan for White Christians but not foolish to be a partisan against White Christians?

3.) Again, the assumption here are Baptistic. He is emphasizing the acts of individuals and missing that God saves by nations.

4.) If a Nation has been Christian in its history then it is a false dichotomy to posit that God’s main work is NOT to preserve a particular nation but it is to preserve the Church. If the nation has been largely Churched — an expression of the Kingdom of God – then it seems that God’s main work is to preserve both.

The Reformed clergy, generally speaking, are terrible to the point of horrid on this subject matter. Most of them have adopted, in one form or another, the nomenclature and mindset of the Cultural Marxist worldview to one degree or another. That this is so is seen in Rev. Strevel’s piece, but he is only one example of many.

This reality communicates a broader and deeper problem in the Reformed and Evangelical community. That deeper problem is the inability to think critically outside the boundaries that are being set for us by the cultural gatekeepers of an increasingly wicked culture. Because the clergy corps has become hemmed in by the strictures placed on us by our cultural Marxist enemies they are reinterpreting Christianity through the prism of Cultural Marxism with the effect that Christianity is no longer Christianity. Because of these blinders much of the Christian clergy just ignore any evidence to the contrary that testifies against their “new and improved” Christianity opting instead to ignore the quotes, testimonies, and sermons of Church Fathers from previous generations.

This subject of races, peoples, and nations up until 1950 or so was one where the Church actually had a subject where following Saint Vincent of Lérins we had a slice of the faith “that was being held which has been believed everywhere, always, by all.” However, to our modern clergy all of that is irrelevant.

God grant us grace to think His thoughts after Him.

“It is true that Europe was also a society of nations and that therefore the racial element, the bond of common blood, like the bond of common speech and common fatherland, played an important part in its development. But both civilization and nation are like chemical compounds which owe their very existence to their synthesis and any attempt to resolve them into their compound elements involves their destruction.”

Christopher Dawson
The Judgment of the Nations — pg. 143

Dawson’s warning is worthy of hearing. It is possible to distinguish the elements which comprise a nation or a civilization, breaking them down, for observational and analytical purposes, into their constituent parts of culture, faith, and race (or even more precisely; ethnicity) but there is a difference between making a distinction concerning these chemical compounds and seeking to isolate these chemical compounds as unrelated to the other impacting chemicals. For example, faith is a distinct chemical in this compound (sticking with Dawson’s analogy) but as culture, (as another distinct chemical) is the outward expression of a people’s inward beliefs, faith cannot be totally divorced from the discussion of culture, just as culture cannot be totally divorced from a discussion on the faith it is reflecting. As another example, the faith that is held and acted upon is the faith that exists in corporeal, material genetic people and who they are genetically impacts their faith just as their faith impacts their corporeality. As another example, culture is intimately related to ethnicity. Can anyone imagine the Japanese doing Cajun culture, or the South Sea Pacific Islander doing Cowboy Rodeo?

Faith, Ethnicity and Culture are all wrapped up together and the idea that these are all “social constructs” is something only a pure Gnostic or pure Materialist would argue. A pure Gnostic handles this by saying, “Change the thinking (the Theology / Ideology) around and presto change-o you can change Japanese civilization into a Civilization which speaks Cajun and eats gumbo. A pure Materialist handles this by saying, “change and rearrange the environment that the South Sea Islander lives in and he too will become a lasso twirling, tobacco chewing, bronco busting Cowboy.” It’s all so reductionistic. Twist a few knobs, and turn a few dials and we can re-make the world by our expertise at social engineering.

This is what the Alienist does. The Alienist doesn’t recognize the chemical compound that civilization and culture is and equipped with his Gnosticism or Materialism (and oddly enough sometimes both at the same time) the Alienist comes rushing in to break apart the chemical compound of which Dawson speaks. For the Alienist there is nothing supernatural about civilization and nations. For the Alienist they are simply the result of time plus circumstance plus chance. They are a social construct. Tinker around with the circumstance and you can produce anything you want. Hell, you can even produce men who need to have tampons in their bathrooms.

However the theo-ethno-cultural realist agrees with Dawson. There is something about civilizations and nations, resulting as they do from a combination of theology (faith), ethnicity, and culture that accounts for the differences in social orders. Further theo-ethno-cultural realists believe that, at least as it pertains to Christian cultures, that there is something about Christian cultures that has a supernatural air about them. They most certainly are not social constructs that can be understood solely by reading post-modern sociologists.

Like it or not, there is among individual people groups a common blood which in God’s ordination shapes and influences people groups as to who they are. Common blood is not the only reality that binds people together but it is an absolutely key component along with faith and culture. That is the compound of which Dawson speaks.

Just as man could not be man apart from both the dust of the earth and the breath of God so man cannot be man apart from both his ethnic identity and the kind of religion – spirituality that has possessed him and which he has possessed and the culture that those together produce.

All of this is basic Christianity. That is all it is and where people have a problem with it today they need to take it up with the Church Fathers, many of whom recognized this same dynamic, and before them with the eternal God who teaches it everywhere in Scripture.

“Educated” 20 something,

You see, we are not afraid of words like socialism, homosexuals or Hollywood. We are cool with tattoos, doing a bit of yoga, drinking a bit of wine and hanging out with muslims and/or communists and/or people who would be “left behind.”

Conservative Pastor,

But you see that’s only because you’re unlearned. If you read Solzhenitsyn’s “Gulag Archipelago,” or “The Black Book of Communism,” or the record of what happened when Bela Kuhn took over Hungary you wouldn’t write drivel like, “we’re not afraid of socialism.”

Consistent with that if you had read the record of the San Francisco Bath-houses, or the doings in Roman Catholic Seminaries you’d be afraid of the sodomites. But you’re blissfully ignorant and so you think yourself enlightened by not being afraid of words like communism, sodomy, and Hollywood.

And as to Hollywood… once again you remain unlearned. You don’t know about Fatty Arbuckle who long predated Harvey Weinstein and who had the same kind of sexual appetite. You don’t know about the mass amount of pedophilia in Hollywood as testified to by child victim Corey Feldman. You don’t know about Hedy Lamar and the first onscreen orgasm. And so being unlearned you blather boldly about not being afraid of such words. It is easy to not be frightened about things you know precious little about.

‘Educated’ 20 something,

More than that, we believe in the message of the cross more than we believe in having a cross in every corner. We believe in God’s love for all humanity more than we believe in only Israel and America as God’s elect. We believe kindness and compassion are more powerful than fear and judgment. And we won’t vote conservative just because they say they are anti-abortion.

Conservative Pastor,

But Scripture explicitly teaches that God most certainly does NOT love all humanity. Please forgive us for not teaching you this when you were a child. God hates workers of iniquity. God hated Esau before He was even born. God is angry with the wicked every day. These are all testified to in Scripture.

I must congratulate you though in learning from us that God hates modern Israel much as he hates modern America. Why would God love a nation that murders over 1 million in utero babies annually?

I too believe in kindness and compassion but I apparently failed to teach you that when I show unbiblical kindness and compassion to the Christ hater, I have at the same time assayed unbiblical judgment on those I’m supposed to love. If I love the sodomite, I hate those whom the sodomite may eventually prey upon. And fear? You must be kidding? I don’t fear any of these Christ haters. I do feel sorry for them. I do want to protect the bride of Christ from them, but I have absolutely zero fear of them.

And in terms of your voting habits you mentioned, if I had my way you would not even be allowed to vote at all since it is not Biblical to give women the franchise since Scripture clearly teaches that women should not rule over men. Female voting is a way where women rule over men.

“Educated 20 something,”

To be properly pro-life for us means EVERY life.

The immigrant.

The refugee.

The man on death row.

Both the mother and the little one.

So we will preach more pro-humanity than anti-abortion. We will sing more pro-love than anti-sin. We will deny patriarchy, deny racism in all its forms, and deny any kind of hate to those who our different to us.

This is NOT rebellion against you.

Conservative Pastor,

Belly Laugh … NOT rebellion against us? Well, I suppose that you are not primarily in rebellion against us. You are primarily in rebellion and God and His Word.

Once again, this demonstrates how unlearned you are. You are in full rebellion mode and yet you insist that it is not rebellion. If you were learned you would know what words to use as labels because you are definitely rebelling against what you were taught. All because you don’t want to use the word rebellion doesn’t mean you are not involved in a high rebellion against what you were taught.

You can not be pro-life and be pro-illegal immigrant or refugee because for every illegal and refugee you allow in you threaten the life of an American. Or have you not seen the crime statistic associated with illegals and refugees?

The man on death row? It is an act of deep love to execute that man. Love to God who requires execution. Love to the family of the person he executed. Love to the social order since his execution stands as a warning post to others who might contemplate taking life. Finally, it is love to the man on death row who is being shown dignity by seeing that there are consequences to his actions.

And deny patriarchy? With that line, you just told me that you are not Christian. It is not possible to be anti-patriarchal and be Christian if only because God is “Our Father, who art in heaven.” Not patriarchal? Tell me, how much of God’s word do you have to cut up and burn in order to deny patriarchy?

This letter communicates how superior you think you are in your understanding of life but all I see in this letter is a deep commitment to hating the God of the Bible and His ethic.

This quote below is from a book co-written by the Pastor of Escondido Orthodox Reformed Church. It’s theology is not particularly wholesome in my estimation as I hope to demonstrate.

These chaps who wrote this are young guys. I’m sure they are full of good intentions. Unfortunately their mind were warped by the God forsaken “theology” taught at Westminster Seminary California. Doubtless, this “theology” was appealing to this Pastor as he had come out of a Dispensationalist past. The dispensationalistic flavor of much of R2K would be a good fit for someone whose mind has already been conditioned in that direction.

Now this Pastor is feeding this rot gut to his congregation. This is why I hate R2K so desperately. It is now infecting countless numbers of both congregations and seminaries. Young men who hear this “theology” get no lasting answers to larger questions and so the church not offering any answers young me turn to other dubious sources for truth that they are not getting from the R2K Churches. Some of these young men could easily get bad theology from these other sources.

Anyway on to the quote and analysis done by fisking.
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(1)”The doctrine of the new covenant guards us against triumphalism. (2)The new covenant shows us that the kingdom of God is no longer identified with any geopolitical nation on earth. (3)This is particularly critical to grasp in American culture, where there is a tendency to confuse the kingdom of God with the United States. (4)Americas, however, is not in covenant with God as a nation. (5) It had no representative on Mount Sinai. The only nation in covenant with God is God’s new global nation, that is, his new covenant church. (6) “But you are a chosen race,” says the apostle Peter, “a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light” (1 Pet 2:9). (7) In the new covenant, the church is no longer limited to the physical descendants of Abraham but is made up of all the nations of the earth, people of every race, color, and language. (8) While the old covenant was an era of driving the nations out of God’s holy land, the new covenant is an era of believers living side by side with unbelievers in patience and love. (9) Today is the day of salvation, not judgment. (10) God’s judgment is delayed until his return. “(148)
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Now we note the faults but before we do that keep in mind that this chap attended Westminster Escondido Seminary, the home of Radical Two Kingdom Theology. This quote reveals who taught our good Rev.

The numbers below correspond to the numbered sentences above.

Errors,

(1.) “The doctrine of the New Covenant guards against triumphalism.”

Right out of the gate Rev. Escondido tells us he is amillennial in his eschatology. God forbid that the Resurrected Christ who was crucified in space and time should Triumph over all the nations in space and time. THAT would be a horror. Keep in mind this theology is not happy unless it is being defeated. We don’t need no stinkin’ victory. Victory is for wussies. “Dear God in heaven keep the church from triumphing in your name and give us the glory of being fed to the lions and being turned into Nero’s living tiki torches.”

So, the initial statement that speaks to guarding against triumphalism begs the question, “Given your theology Rev. Escondido who will guard us against defeatism?”

(2.) With apologies to the Covenanters Solemn League and Covenant. Keep in mind the implication of this statement (2) is that there is no such thing as a Christian nation. If there is no such thing as a Christian nation then there is no such thing as a Christian family, as nations are merely extensions of families. In this view Nations are always pagan and can’t be anything but pagan.

Also on this one please note how the idea of the Kingdom of God is limited to being exactly synonymous with the “Church.” The Kingdom of God is restricted to the Church. As such nothing is part of the Kingdom of God that isn’t the Church. This means that no field, such as education, law, arts, etc. can be considered as having anything do with the Kingdom of God according to Rev. Escondido.

The devil is always in the details, aren’t they?

(3.) I actually agree with this statement. Anybody who thinks these united States are a Christian Nation is smoking peyote. I do believe at one time in our history we could have legitimately been considered a Christian nation but it has been decades since that was so. Ironically enough, in order to return to being a Christian nation, we would need to give Rev. Escondido’s covenant theology expressed here the good old double bird salute.

(4.) I know of no nation today which takes seriously God’s covenant. I do know that such nations existed in history. Now, as to whether or not America is in covenant with God, if one looks at our founding documents going back to the Mayflower compact and on to the original Charters and state constitutions one could well conclude that God still considers us in covenant and that we are now experiencing the judgments of Dt. 28f for not keeping our covenant promises.

(5.) The Ninevites who Jonah preached to also didn’t have representatives at Mt. Sinai and yet God held them accountable for violating His law and law is the major component of the covenant. Nebuchadnezzar also didn’t have a representative at Mt. Sinai and yet God held him accountable for violating His law. Sorry, Rev. Escondido, this “reasoning” is specious and does not work. Theoretically, nations could be in covenant with God if they were to bow to His Law and authority. Note also an implication here. If no nation can be in covenant with God then neither can any family be in covenant with God. As such, per this theology, there is no such thing as “Christian families.”

(6.) Quoting Peter proves nothing except the Church is now the Israel of God. It doesn’t disprove that a family, people group, or nation can’t be in covenant with God.

(7.) Right, and every people, in every race, culture, and language in their race, culture, and language can be in covenant with God AND also be the one people of God in their varied people group expressions.

(8.) Says who? That’s not the way the Reformers thought. They explicitly taught that the Christian magistrate had a responsibility to suppress wickedness as defined by God’s law. As one example of my patience and love, when I patiently wait for sodomy to be criminalized again I am acting with love towards unbelievers in Christ. Christians do not live side by side with unbelievers in patience and love if by patience and love it is meant that Christian should not advocate for God’s definition of Justice in our legal code. I know this is contrary to what they taught your at R2K seminary Rev. Escondido. For Pete’s sake one of their rock stars (Mike Horton) even said,

“Although a contractual relationship denies God’s will for human dignity, I could affirm domestic partnerships as a way of protecting people’s legal and economic security.”

I’m pretty sure this would be an example of your living side by side with pagans with patience and love. If so, I say you contracted ‘idiotitis’ from Horton.

(9.) So much for,

Romans 1:18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness,

Heidelberg Catechism Q. 10.

Q.) Will God suffer such disobedience and rebellion to go unpunished?

A. By no means; but is terribly displeased (a) with our original as well as actual sins; and will punish them in his just judgment TEMPORALLY and eternally, (b) as he has declared, “Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things, which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” (c)

Now keep in mind that the implication of (9) is that capital punishment as warranted by Scripture would be wrong since this is a time of salvation and not judgment.

(10.) Really? Tell Servetus that.

‘When the LORD your God brings you into the land which you go to possess, and has cast out many nations before you, the Hittites and the Girgashites and the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than you, and when the LORD your God delivers them over to you, you shall conquer them and utterly destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them nor show mercy to them. Nor shall you make marriages with them. You shall not give your daughter to their son, nor take their daughter for your son. For they will turn your sons away from following Me, to serve other gods; so the anger of the LORD will be aroused against you and destroy you suddenly. But thus you shall deal with them: you shall destroy their altars, and break down their sacred pillars, and cut down their wooden images, and burn their carved images with fire. “For you are a holy people to the LORD your God; the LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for Himself, a special treasure above all the peoples on the face of the earth.

Deuteronomy 7:1-6

People will stumble over this passage where God commands the destruction (Cherem) of the inhabitants of the land of Canaan and if they don’t stumble over the passage they try to use it as a club to beat Christianity over the head, as if there is something unseemly in God’s command to utterly eliminate all the inhabitants of Canaan – man, woman, and child.

Keep in mind that this eventual cleansing of the land was long anticipated. Early on in Genesis Abraham is told, in reference to the land that his people will one day inherit, that the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.” Finally, hundreds of years later, the iniquity of the Amorites was complete and God ordered His troops to destroy the Canaanites.

What was that iniquity of the Canaanites which was a cup that finally overflowed that had to be ended? We get the answer to that in Leviticus 18 and 20. There we learn the perversity and twistedness of the Canaanites that found them being vomited out of the land by their complete destruction.

Leviticus 18 & 20 teaches us that the Canaanites were

Perverted in their sexuality as they

– Uncovered the nakedness of mom, dad, sister, brother, aunt, uncle etc. (the most perverse forms of incest).
– Bedded a male as with a woman (Man lies with man).
– Bedded animals.
– Committed adultery with neighbor’s wife
– Bedded fathers wife.
– Bedded daughter in law.
– Married both a Mother and her daughter.
– Bedded one’s own sister.
– Bedded a woman on her period
– Bedded Sister-in-law

Perverted in their humanity as they

– Offered their own chidren to the false God Molech (i.e.They bbq’d their children on the altar of Molech – the fruit of their body for the sin of their soul)

– They cursed their Mothers and Fathers

Perverted in their Religion

– Turned to mediums and familiar spirits.

The summation then is;

“The land(of Canaan/Amorite) is defiled… all these abominations the men of the land have done, who were before you, and thus the land (Canaan/Amorite) is defiled””You shall not walk in the statues of the nation (Canaan/Amorite) which I am casting out from before you; for they commit all these things, and therefore I abhor them.”

These were twisted people and after generations of culture and breeding they had this behavior in their genes as well as reinforced by their culture. For that reason God deems them worthy to be destroyed. These people, if allowed to live in the land, would be a contagion which would infect Israel. (A thing that happened eventually anyway since Israel did not completely wipe out all the Canaanites.)

People need to keep in mind that Canaan was to be like the garden of Eden. Israel, as a subsequent Adam was being placed back in the garden and there in Canaan the Lord would reign over Israel, with the promise that God’s blessing would radiate out from Canaan to the whole world. As such the Canaanites were to Canaan what the Serpent was to the garden. Since Canaan was to be Eden rediscovered the vile serpent seed Canaanites were to be treated just as Adam should have treated the first serpent. So you see here one reason why the cleansing of the Canaanites — every man, woman, and child – was a righteous duty that glorified God and so perfectly reasonable.

People have trouble realizing how wicked and animalistic the Canaanites were. One analogy I am aware of is what Hernan Cortez discovered upon being introduced to the Aztecs. Cortez found in the Aztecs a people who were both at the same time cultured (canals, gardens, and Temples) and demonic. The Aztecs ruled over 500 smaller peoples. From these smaller people groups the Aztecs drew, as tributary, a stream of blood as rendered up by a conveyor belt of men and boys whose hearts were cut out of their bodies while they were still alive in order to satisfy the blood lust of their gods. One especially egregious example of the appetite of the Aztec gods was the re-dedication of the Great Pyramid of Tenochtitlan in 1487. In this ceremony 84,400 prisoners for sacrifice were offered up over four days.

Further, the Aztecs were a cannibal people. They dined on the arms and legs of the multitude of sacrifices offered up every year. Word is that they especially enjoyed leg of human as garnished with tomatoes and chili peppers.

Do you suppose any of the people groups who were subject to Aztec control shed any tears when their Empire was destroyed by Hernan Cortes and the Spaniards? Instead those captive peoples likely partied that such a dreadful enemy had been destroyed.

In the same way instead of condemning God or being puzzled by a God who would order complete destruction upon such a wicked people as the Canaanites we should rejoice that such a people were eliminated. No longer would they be killing their seed. No longer would their perversity cover the land. No longer would their sexual perversity continue from generation to generation. No longer would they consult mediums and worship darkness. The destruction of these people is good news, and hardly the stuff that should cause us to question God’s goodness. Indeed, in point of fact it was the goodness of God that ordered the extermination of the Canaanites. We should lead with this history in our evangelism. God is so good that he exterminated the Canaanites, that He destroyed the Aztec Empire. See how good God is.

There are a couple other observations to put forward so as to clear God’s name in His excellent decision to wipe out the Canaanites.

First, we would ask why anybody thinks that they have a claim on God’s mercy. The surprise in the Canaanite Cherem is not that the Canaanites were exterminated. No, the surprise is that every man, woman, and child inhabiting the globe wasn’t exterminated. Man is a rebel who is owed nothing by His creator. Indeed the only thing rebel man is owed by God is complete and utter destruction. The Canaanites received what we all deserve and the fact that we don’t get what we deserve should deliver us from indicting God for doing with His own whatever He determines. Instead we should say, when looking at the Cherem (Destruction) of the Canaanites, “There but for the grace of God go I.”

Secondly, and similarly, it is a curious phenomenon that fallen man thinks he has the place to put God in the dock, charging Him with the crime of genocide by our twisted standard of justice. The fact that anyone could charge God with wrongdoing for ordering the wholesale slaughter of the Canaanites reveals that they themselves have a heart of a Canaanite. God doesn’t answer to us. God doesn’t need to provide a defense of His actions to us. If the Canaanites were only guilty because God said they were guilty that would be reason enough for them to be wiped out. The Canaanites, like us today, remain the clay to God as the Potter. The Potter has no need to explain Himself to the clay. However, God did explain Himself for His orders to destroy Canaan, and the explanation was that they were serpent seed and as serpent seed who were wicked beyond naming, they had to go.

All of this should serve as a warning to us. The West has taken up some of the habits of the Canaanites and the Aztecs after them. We are offering up our children to Molech by way of abortion. We are institutionalizing sexual perversity in the same kind of directions as the Canaanites before us. Indeed, we are even moving beyond incest, bestiality, and sodomy to sex with sexatronic life sized dolls. We now sanction and celebrate the “marriage” of Butt-buddies. The consulting of mediums is on the rise and we are building statues to Satan and placing them in the public square and calling it enlightened. Whereas the Aztecs sacrificed by their 10,000’s we sacrifice our children by way of millions.

I pray daily that the West would repent before their own cup of iniquity has filled and we receive the just punishment of Canaan – every man, woman, and child.

This is our season to turn turn turn. Now is the appointed time. God commands all men everywhere to repent. Instead of going further out, and deeper in to our own personal sin as well as our institutional and cultural sins will we not cast our all upon the only one by whom we can have peace with God. Instead of continuing to carry this sin and guilt will we not discover the grace that is found in God’s provision of one who would, as our substitution …as the one who stood in our place and so close with Christ? Will we not own as our own the truth that Christ took upon Himself the wrath of the Father that belongs to us? Will we not find in Jesus Christ’s death our life? Will we not be amazed that despite our Canaanite and Gomorrah-ish personal behavior and cultural-Institutional behavior that we can still be reconciled to God through the Lord Jesus Christ.

You want to see the love, mercy, and kindness of God? It is found in the reality that even now He has not yet brought the judgment of the Canaanites upon us and our people. God is longsuffering not willing that any of His people should perish. He is commanding now for you to bow and offer up allegiance and He will extend clemency to you on the basis of the finished work of Jesus Christ. His word now to you latter day Canaanites is to kiss the Son, lest His anger flash and you perish in the way as those Canaanites did long ago.

O Canaanite, if you ignore this Word you will die.