Continuing to Interrogate Horton’s Stupid TGC Article

See, there was a time biblically, when the church was the state and vice-versa Israel, the old covenant.

Mike Horton

TGC Article

If the Church was the state and vice-versus then why was it prohibited to combine offices of Priest and King in Old Testament Israel? I would insist that the fact that these offices were not allowed to be held in the hands of one man proves that it is not true that there was no distinction between church and state in Old Testament Israel and if I am correct here (and of course I am) Horton is once again seen as in error.

It is true that Israel was a theocracy but to say it is a theocracy is not the same as saying it was an ecclesiocracy. This mistake is commonly made by the R2K chaps. Theocracy is an inescapable category. All nations are theocratic. However, all Nations are not ecclesiocratic … that is all nations are not run by the priest-minister caste.

“If Israel broke the Mosaic covenant, then God would drive them out of the land just as he had their enemies as we see in Deuteronomy 28.”

Mike Horton
TGC Article

However, per Horton’s R2K Israel’s enemies weren’t beholden to God’s law since they never subscribed to God or came under His law. If that is true what right, per R2K thinking, did God have to drive Israel’s enemies out of the land since they were not nations covenanted unto God.?

And if Israel’s enemies in the Old Covenant were driven out of the land because they had violated God’s law standard then why can it not be the case today that nations are driven out of the land by God for violating God’s law standards?

Johnson Hurls the Charge of Unfairness

“Do not be deceived: Neither… men who have sex with men nor… slanderers… will inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Cor 6:9-10).

I’m sorry, but until denominations take the *second* one seriously — & defrock slanderous pastors & elders — claims of purity, peace & unity are false.

Greg Johnson
Twitter

Being interpreted … “My sin is perfectly acceptable until you stop the sin of the other guy.”

Even if Greg is right about inconsistency in how various sins are handled,  all because slanderers are not getting justice doesn’t mean that Greg Johnson is being treated unfairly because he is getting justice. It’s not unjust when Greg is treated justly… and that even when others are not being treated fairly by not being given what God requires.

Dow & McAtee On Doug Wilson’s Article on “Antisemitism”

Doug Wilson writes an essay on anti-Semitism. He never gets around to defining the “sin” other than alluding to its source as “envy.”

 

Wilson also writes: “The best thing we can do for the Jewish people is labor to build a Christian culture that runs the way Eric Liddell ran—under the pleasure of God.”

The problem, as E. Michael Jones has shown great length, is that a rejection of the 2nd person of the trinity is a rejection of Logos. Rejecting Logos leads to perpetual revolution against the social order. In short, it demands opposition to the “Christian culture” (whatever that may mean) that has been central to Christendom.

 

The charge of “anti-Semitism” has been a bludgeon and a weapon used against great men like Pat Buchanan and Joe Sobran, who unlike Wilson provided a functional definition for the slander:

“An anti-Semite used to mean a man who hated Jews. Now it means a man who is hated by Jews.”

Darrell Dow
Columnist

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Of course, Wilson will dodge here by claiming that it is the case that all unbelief is a rejection of the Logos and so Jews shouldn’t take it on the chin any more than unbelieving goyim. The problem here is that, as Wilson himself notes in his article, the Jew’s rejection of Logos is cultural and has been refined by their superior intelligence over a millennium. Jews are too unbelieving goyim in terms of rejecting logos what a trans-generational cat burglar family is to the first-time bumbling burglar who is going after his first convenience store.

Elsewhere in that same article the doyenne of Moscow writes,

“It has to be acknowledged that a lot of people on the right appear to like hating.”

And yet how do we square that with Burke’s observation;

“They never will love what they ought to love who do not hate what they ought to hate.”

Edmund Burke

Contra Doug, I am glad to admit that I like hating those things that are contrary to those things I like loving. I think Wilson misses the boat here… and the dock … and the seashore. In brief, I think it is unchristian to not like hating what one hates. I like hating the Devil. He’s supposed to be hated. One should find it estimable to like hating that which is hateworthy.

Sermon — Louis’ Baptism (Preached 2017)

Protestants made their bones protesting the sacerdotalism of Roman Catholicism. The Protestant faith has always been that salvation comes through faith alone. Yet at the same time, the lion’s share of Protestants since the Reformation have baptized their Babies. When we consider the great magisterial Reformers, Luther, Calvin, Bucer, Zwingli, they all believed both that salvation comes by faith alone and that babies of believers ought to be baptized.

The Baptists have always held that this was a fault of the Reformation and that this is an example where the Reformation didn’t shed itself of all its Roman Catholic influence. The Baptists have insisted that one simply can not consistently believe both in salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone, and infant Baptism. Our Baptist brethren hold our position to be an absurdity.

So, the first question we ask this morning is, “is it the case that infant baptism is an absurdity? Have we a contradiction in our thinking? This is what we want to speak to this morning and then we want to follow by trying to limn out how monumentally important our position is as the implications teases themselves out.

If we understand “Faith” to be our human response to God’s regenerating power then the question of “can infants have faith,” becomes the question “can infants offer the human response of faith to God’s regenerating power.” Certainly, everyone believes that God can regenerate infants but can infants have the human response of faith, or, we might put it this way, “can infants, being infants, respond to God?”

Well, before we reason about this we want to say that the Scriptures authoritatively weigh in here with a few words,

“Yet you brought me out of the womb; you made me trust in you, even at my mother’s breast.”  Psalm 22:9

Here the Psalmist offers that indeed he did, as an infant, have a personal relationship with his Creator. The Psalmist, speaking to God says, “you made me trust in you, even at my mother’s breast.”

So, here we learn that if the question is “are infants able to respond in trust-faith to God” the answer is definitive yes.

Infants respond to their parent’s voice… infants demonstrate a ‘trust’ of their parents vis-a-vis a stranger. If this is true, and it manifestly is true, why would we contend that infants can’t trust their God?

And that in the face of Scripture which tells us of one example where that was true (Psalm 22:9).

So Scripture does not allow us to posit that infants are less available to God than other non-infants are. God can and has per Psalm 22:9 worked in the lives of infants to trust Him.

Now consider how we as parents build up our relationship with our babies. We use symbols called words. We talk to them. Nobody thinks it is odd if they see Anthony or Rachel talking to Louis. Well, in Baptism God uses the symbol of water to speak to us the visible Word. We should no more find it odd for God to speak to His covenant seed in Water than we find it odd to find a Mother speaking to a child who does not yet have the dictionary memorized.

And of course, as we have mentioned as a child responds to the parent so an infant can respond to His creator.

Now I can hear those on the other side saying, “but the child cannot say, ‘I love Jesus.’ He has no ability to make his commitment clear. You are presuming upon God.”

But Louis likewise cannot say “I love Mommy and Daddy.” Louis likewise has not the ability to make his commitment to them clear. And yet who of us would say that it was that we are presuming upon Anthony and Rachel to suggest that Louis belongs to them all because Louis is not yet informing everyone of his commitment to his Mommy and Daddy?

And herein is the divide between us. We see Baptism as primarily God’s claim on us whereas those who disagree with us see Baptism as primarily our claim on God.  We see the helpless child brought to the Baptismal font to be claimed by God and we see the perfect picture of salvation. We being helpless in every way God does all the saving. We bring nothing to our salvation. Even if we come to baptism as adults we understand that our profession of faith is not a something that we are bringing that earns us the right of being marked by God in the waters of Baptism.

The insistence that a child must own his identity as Christian before he can be marked as Christian in Baptism is as odd as saying that a child must own his identity as a McAtee before he can be given the name of McAtee.

Dr. Peter Leithart offers here,

“The sociologically consistent Baptist should, it seems to me, allow children to name themselves. Otherwise, they are inevitably “imposing” an identity on their little boys and girls. “

Before moving on I’m going to push this envelope here just a wee bit.

 

This Baptist thinking that a child can’t be baptized until they choose for themselves their own religious identity leads to some strange places if the logic is followed through.

What is the difference between Baptist parents insisting that their children have to be epistemologically self-conscious about what religious identity they want to choose and Modern parents now who are insisting that their children have to be epistemologically self-conscious about what sexual identity those children want to choose? What we are saying here is that there is a harmony found in Baptist parents refusing to baptize their children and many modern parents today refusing to “baptize” their children into a predetermined gender believing, just as the Baptists believe, that their children should be able to have a say in the matter of what gender they will have.

Modern parents insisting that children must choose their own sexual identity is just the logical extension of Baptist parents insisting that children must choose their own religious identity.

Our Baptist opponents will shriek here that there is a difference between a child who is obviously male or female and a child that is questionably a member of the covenant. However, per scripture, we see these children that God has given us as obviously covenant members as the Baptist sees little boy babies be little boy babies and little girl babies to be little girl babies. For the Reformed, it is more obvious to us that a child of the covenant is a child of the covenant and so should receive the sign of the covenant than it is obvious that a little girl baby is a little girl baby and so be raised as a girl.

The point here isn’t that there is an exact one to one correspondence on this matter. The point here is that when you start with the sovereign individual who must be consulted before covenantal realities are determined apart from his or her approval the end result, naturally enough, is sovereign individuals who must be consulted before any number of realities are determined apart from zhis or zhers approval.

Consistent Baptist thinking lends itself to the atomized individual and once the individual is atomized then he or she is free to be self determinate in every area of life from religion to sexuality to who knows where else.

You can see that the implications of this non-Reformed thinking have the potential to be HUGE.

So, we do not wait for our children to profess their commitment to us before we claim them. Just so God does not wait for His covenant seed to profess their commitment to Him before He places His claim upon them.

In Baptism God places His claim upon His people’s people who are now His people. We do not believe that every child Baptized will always have faith but we do believe that every child baptized should be given the judgment of charity regarding their standing with God. They have been brought into the external community of God. They have been given all the benefits of the Kingdom. And so we deal with them as little Christians. Consistent with the great commission having first baptized them we now begin the discipling process, which continues throughout one’s life. Everyone recognizes that the children of believers should be taught to observe the commandments of Jesus

Fathers, provoke not your children to wrath but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord (see Eph. 6:1–3, 4),

However, the great commission indicates that they should be baptized first and then discipled.

 baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit: 20 teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I commanded you

Now the objection could well be raised,

“You admit that not all of your infants who are Baptized do not always end up with saving faith in Christ. Does this alone not prove that you should not baptize until you know for certain that people have faith?”

And the answer to that is, “we never know for certain that someone has faith in Christ. Never. We quite admit that some, or many even many of our baptized children do not end up owning saving Faith. But we note at the same time that many adults who confess Christ and are baptized as adults by Baptists don’t end up with saving faith. People fall away from the faith, whether they were born in Christian homes and baptized as infants or whether they made confession of Christ as an adult. The fact that baptized infants sometimes don’t end up having saving faith no more means that they should not be baptized then the fact that baptized adults sometimes deny the faith means that adults who come making a credible profession of faith should not be baptized.

Turning to the Scriptures again we quite concede that the record we find in the New Testament is a record wherein we find adults being baptized. But do keep in mind that that is precisely what we would expect in the gathering of a first-generation Church. The Church was the Institution that while contiguous with Old Testament Israel was at the same time differentiated from Old Testament Israel. With this differentiated church, there came the necessity to collect a differentiated first generation of Christians who would, over time, come from every tribe, tongue, and nation, and of course, we would expect the biblical record to reflect that the first generation Church gathered would be of adults being baptized. But while Scripture gives us examples of adults being baptized it also explicitly tells us that the same promise upon which adults were being baptized was also the promise for their children. (Acts 2:38)

39 For to you is the promise, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call unto him.”

What promise?

That God would be their God to them and to their children to a thousand generations.

And so in light of this promise of God and not upon the promise of the sovereign individual to be faithful we bring God’s children given to us by God to the Baptismal font where God again ratifies His covenant to be God to us and our seed…. where God speaks to us His intent to gather us up, not as a collection of individuals, but as covenantal families as first gathered with a distant patriarch and then gathered anew in every subsequent generation of that often forgotten first patriarch.

Honestly, time does not allow me to tease this out but this Christian conviction of covenantal realities is alone what can cure what is wrong with us as a Church and as a people. Having given up this covenantal thinking and the Reformed emphasis of covenantal continuity in generational lines with its attendant idea of hierarchy and patriarchy we have drifted off into the Church of atomized individuals who have no history longer than our memories. Apart from this emphasis on covenantal continuity — a continuity where God gathers us in our generations — one is left only with the Church of what’s happening now. The Church becomes just an organization as characterized by individual voluntarism as opposed to a breathing organism whose origins and ways recede into a past characterized by God’s faithfulness and in which we are only the most recent residents and members.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Continuing To Respond to Mike Horton’s Stupid TGC Article

“The problem with Christian nationalism is not that some Christians are taking a biblical idea too seriously,” says Dr. Horton, professor of systematic theology and apologetics at Westminster Seminary California, “but that they are confusing America with Israel under the old covenant. From a biblical perspective, it’s actually heretical. It confuses the law with the gospel.”
 
TGC Article
 
1.) Horton clearly thinks that the Old Covenant was one of strict law. Per Horton, there was no gospel in the old covenant. If Horton believed there was Gospel in the Old Covenant then there would no problem with 21st century Christians owning a nationalism. However, since in Horton’s Hermeneutics the Old Covenant in terms of Israel being organized as a nation is all law and no gospel therefore no Nationalism today should be pursued because that would be testifying that you also were desiring all law and no gospel. For Horton, the very fact that you desire your people to prosper under God’s authority (Christian Nationalism) is proof positive that you are a heretic.

2.) Here are just a few people that Horton is calling a heretic. I could easily multiply this many many times over.

A.) “[Governments] must make good laws for the purpose of maintaining true religion and hindering all religions damaging to the souls, to limit them … the magistrate should not allow creeds and practices of heretics and blasphemers … A Christian government should not allow the exercise of religions which threaten the foundations of the true Christian religion, but should resist it.”

Gisbert Voetius
17th century Dutch theologian

B.) “The Christian cannot be satisfied so long as any human activity is either opposed to Christianity or out of all connection with Christianity. Christianity must pervade not merely all nations, but also all of human thought.”

J. Gresham Machen
20th Century Father of OPC

C.) “As the universe constitutes one physical and moral system, it was necessary that his headship as Mediator should extend to the whole and to every department thereof, in order that all things should work together for good to his people and for his glory, that all his enemies should be subdued and finally judged and punished, and that all creatures should worship him, as his Father had determined. Rom. viii. 28; 1 Cor. xv. 25; Heb. x. 13; i. 6; Rev. v. 9–13.

Hence the present providential Governor of the physical universe and “Ruler among the nations” is Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews, to whose will all laws should be conformed, and whom all nations and all rulers of men should acknowledge and serve. “He hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. Rev. xix. 16.”

Archibald Alexander Hodge, A Commentary on the Confession of Faith, ed. William H. Goold (British edn, London: T. Nelson and Sons, 1870), pp 294-95.

D.) “Nationalism, within proper limits, has the divine sanction; an imperialism that would, in the interest of one people, obliterate all lines of distinction is everywhere condemned as contrary to the divine will. Later prophecy raises its voice against the attempt at world-power, and that not only, as is sometimes assumed, because it threatens Israel, but for the far more principal reason, that the whole idea is pagan and immoral.

Now it is through maintaining the national diversities, as these express themselves in the difference of language, and are in turn upheld by this difference, that God prevents realization of the attempted scheme… [In this] was a positive intent that concerned the natural life of humanity. Under the providence of God each race or nation has a positive purpose to serve, fulfillment of which depends on relative seclusion from others.”

-Geerhardus Vos,
Biblical Theology

But his (St. Paul) assurance as a Christian did not supersede his patriotism as a Jew; for in the very passage which follows that glorious expression of his assurance, we find that although triumphing as a believer in Jesus, he had a heaviness and sorrow in his heart on account of his own dear nation. He saw that the church of God — although it would truly inviolably be preserved to the end, by its great Creator, Redeemer, and Sanctifier, the Living and Triune Jehovah — was yet about to emigrate, and no longer to prove conservative of his nation; and he had so much nationalism in his religion that while he repeats his triumph as a Christian, he weeps as a Jew. Nay, higher still. The Lord Jesus knew full well, that the Church of God was safe, that the gates of hell could not prevail against His Church; and His bosom glowed with the most unlimited philosophy: yet while He rejoiced in spirit, because the will of His Father was about to be accomplished, He forgot not that the tears of his patriotism dropped over the tomb of Jerusalem.

Therefore it is, that we cannot allow our spirituality as Christians entirely to supersede our patriotism as Britons. Therefore it is, that we plead for Nationalism in our religion.

And we would rescue from the religion of mere poetry, and consecrate to a higher cause, the rapturous language of our Scottish Bard —

“Breathes there a man with soul so dead
that never to himself hath said
This is my own, my native land?
Whose heart has not within him burn’d
As home his footsteps turn’d
From wandering on some foreign strand

The inspired prophets were patriots, were, therefore, national protesters against idolatry and every evil work. Therefore they were Reformers. They were Reformers and patriots. Our own Reformers were patriots as well as Christians; and therefore they decided not only matters connected with Christian doctrine, but they decided on matters connected with National rule; not only against heresy in doctrine but also against usurpation in politics.

Rev. Hugh M’Neile, M.A.
Sermon — Nationalism in Religion
Delivered — 08 May, 1839

E.) Paul had two classes of brethren; those who were with him the children of God in Christ; these he calls brethren in the Lord, Philip, i. 14, holy brethren, &c. The others were those who belonged to the family of Abraham. These he calls brethren after the flesh, that is, in virtue of natural descent from the same parent. Philemon he addresses as his brother, both in the flesh and in the Lord. The Bible recognizes the validity and rightness of all the constitutional principles and impulses of our nature. It therefore approves of parental and filial affection, and, as is plain from this and other passages, of peculiar love for the people of our own race and country.

Charles Hodge
Commentary Romans 9

 
2.) Keep in mind that Christian Nationalism is merely Christian Familialism writ large. One can not get to Christian Nationalism without first owning Christian familialism. Israel itself was not a nation without first being tribal and those tribal lines were based on a common patriarch. So, for Horton to be consistent he would have to say that not only Christian Nationalism is heretical because it confuses law and gospel, but he would also have to say that Christian familialism is heretical for the same reason.
 
And guess what … I’m quite sure that Horton does insist that there is no such thing as a Christian family. (I know for a fact that David Van Drunen believes that.) If Horton is consistent with his R2K he would have to testify as family is not a place where one finds grace therefore there is no such thing as a “Christian family.” Per R2K to speak of Christian family is to confuse categories.
 
3.) It is Mike Horton who is actually heretical here in his denial that;
 
a.) There was no Gospel in the Old Covenant
b.) That the Kingdom of God is exactly synonymous with only the Church so that families, nations, schools, courts, etc. can never be considered “Christian.”

4.) Here is a note out of the Scofield Bible — the handbook of Dispensationalism.

“Israel rashly exchanged grace for the law at Sinai.”

This is what Horton and the Escondido R2K lads are vomiting. Horton is in bed with C. I. Scofield. Now, he may be giving all this Dispensationalism  a smiley Reformed Meredith Kline face but at the end of the day the man is pure on Scofieldean on this point.

Meet the new boss… same as the old boss.

 
We really should be as concerned with the whole Escondido Westminster California heresy as we are with Greg Johnson at PCA Memorial Church in St. Louis.