McAtee Contra Layfield Pt. II



As we continue in this series, let us pause a moment to emphasize again that no Biblical theologian that I can find prior to 1950 or so ever challenged the idea of the reality and significance of race / ethnicity, or tried to dismiss it as merely a matter of melanin. I offer just a smattering of quotes that sustain that claim. I’ve posted these quotes and countless others like them over and over and have yet to receive a rebuttal to the impact of these quotes on the alienist (Steve’s) position.

Difference of race or condition or sex is indeed taken away by the unity of faith, but it remains imbedded in our mortal interactions, and in the journey of this life the apostles themselves teach that it is to be respected, and they even proposed living in accord with the racial differences between Jews and Greeks as a wholesome rule.

St. Augustine
On Galatians 3:28


1200 years later Calvin takes up this Augustinian rift by preaching,

“Regarding our eternal salvation, it is true that one must not distinguish between man and woman, or between king and a shepherd, or between a German and a Frenchman. Regarding policy, however, we have what St. Paul declares here; for our, Lord Jesus Christ did not come to mix up nature, or to abolish what belongs to the preservation of decency and peace among us….Regarding the kingdom of God (which is spiritual) there is no distinction or difference between man and woman, servant and master, poor and rich, great and small. Nevertheless, there does have to be some order among us, and Jesus Christ did not mean to eliminate it, as some flighty and scatterbrained dreamers [believe].”

John Calvin
Sermon on 1 Corinthians 11:2-3


The Puritans were like-minded on this issue as this quote from Samuel Davies reveals. Davies is roughly a couple centuries after Calvin.

“We now reply to the question, Can we know the sense of the prophetic law of Noah [Gen. 9:24-27; 10:1-32] with absolute certainty ? We answer most unequivocally, Yes. How, then, is it to be known? By the perfect conformity of the fulfillment of the law to its legitimate interpretation. Has such fulfillment occurred? Most unquestionably. “Where is it seen? In all quarters of the globe since the flood, but most sublimely in America. It is obvious in a universal and permanent trinity of races; in their political inequality of condition; in the Christianization of all the Japhetic nations, and of no others; in the occupation of the Shemitic wilderness of America by Japheth; and in the service of Plain to Japheth in the Southern States, in the islands, and in South America … (p.18) A perfect coincidence of events with any legitimate interpretation of prophecy is infallibly a fulfillment; and such fulfillment inevitably coincides with the Divine meaning of the text — God being his own interpreter. Fulfillment is to prophetic law what usage is to statute law. Usage specifies the meaning of statutes by a uniform manner of applying them; and fulfillment is but the usage of the Almighty.”

Rev. Samuel Davie
Dominion or, the Unity and Trinity of the Human Race, p.20


300 hundred years after Calvin and a century after Davies Dr. Charles Hodge gets in on the fun by writing,

” [The] differences between the Caucasian, Mongolian, and Negro races, which is known to have been as distinctly marked two or three thousand years before Christ as it is now. . . . [T]hese varieties of race are not the effect of the blind operation of physical causes, but by those cause as intelligently guided by God for the accomplishment of some wise purpose. . . . God fashions the different races of men in their peculiarities to suit them to the regions which they inhabit.”

Charles Hodge (1797-1878)
Systematic Theology, Volume 2, Chapter 1, Section 3 (1872–73)



Now these are just three quotes from hundreds of quotes I could choose from that find the greatest Theologians affirming that race and ethnicity are real God ordained realities and are significant.

On the other side of this I have numerous quotes also from Marxists who are arguing like Steve and who want to deny the reality of race / ethnicity. So, in light of these quotes who am I supposed to believe… Steve and his fellow alienists / Marxists or the theological giants who have everywhere in every place, prior to 1950, spoken with a single voice on this issue? Honestly, I must say it gets frustrating for people like Steve (not Steve himself) to be constantly screaming at me that I’m a hell bound racist because I believe only what the Church at all times and all places has believed where it was orthodox. Not only that, I am opposed to that system of thought (Marxism) that has been trying to kill Christ since its inception – that very system of thought that desires to destroy the racial and ethnic distinctions that God created as the Marxists themselves have admitted in their own writings.

Turning now to interact with Steve. Steve writes,

The Fall

With the Fall, sin entered the world & corrupted the whole scene; Cain, Abel & Seth necessarily married their sisters. The gene pool at that primordial stage in human history was very pure. But contention & warring factions multiplied; through laziness & rebellion the dominion mandate (Gen 1:28) was neglected. Genetic purity was lost and longevity – a symptom of genetic health – began to decline. Methuselah was 969 years old when he died! Noah was 950. After the flood, patriarchal ages reduced until, with the Abrahamic family they had collapsed to 175 years.

BLMc responds,

1.) I have read other conjectures (So far most of what Steve has wrote has been conjecture) on why the life span was diminished. Those other conjectures had nothing to do with the gene pool purity being lost.

2.) This has absolutely zero do to with race – ethnicity.

SL writes,

Babel

God’s judgement of Babel is the most significant event we must consider. Quite suddenly, through the immediate generation of, let’s say two dozen different language groups, humanity was induced to spread out across the world and find settled accommodation away from their native homeland. The consequential inter-marriage of clans and families gave rise to the various ‘ethnic’ groupings which we are familiar with today.

BLMc responds,

1.) Steve doesn’t have any idea of how many language groups came into being. More speculation.

2.) Steve doesn’t know if inter-marriage of clans and families is what gave rise to various ethnic groups. This is all conjecture. It might have happened that way but the text does not tell us that it happened that way. Frankly, we just don’t know for sure how it is that God created the different racial – ethnic groups. However, not knowing how it is that God created those differing racial and ethnic groups doesn’t mean that those racial – ethnic groups don’t exist.

SL presses on,


Covenantal Redemption

Next, we must reckon with God’s redemptive plan ‘to destroy the works of the devil’ (1Jn 3:8) and ‘fill the earth with the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea’ (Is 11; Hab 2:14). God singled out Abraham to be ‘the father of many nations’ (Gen 17:5). His fatherhood, however, was not to be ethnic, based on blood lineage, but rather it was covenantal – based on the presence of ‘Godward’ faith within the heart (Rom 4:3). True faith potentially enjoys the covenantal blessing of God down through generations (Ex 20:6). Notice then, covenantal blessings are, in Scripture, enjoyed PRIMARILY through faith exercised by individuals. But, because God they spill over and may be transmitted down through generations, it may appear that there is a ‘blood-lineage’ aspect to them also. Scripture is however as loud as thunder in this regard: God’s covenantal blessings are to be sought and secured by faith. Indeed, so prevalent is the spurious attitude that they are granted on the basis of blood/ancestry that whole books are included in the cannon that refute that hypothesis (e.g. Ephesians, Galatians, Hosea, and vast portions of Isaiah, etc)BLMc responds,

BLMc responds,

1.) If Abraham’s fatherhood was not to be ethnic, based on blood lineage could someone please explain to me those genealogies used by Matthew and Luke to prove that Jesus, the Christ, was of the blood lineage line of David, Abraham, and Adam?

If genealogy isn’t important then why does Paul say,

Romans 1:3 concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh,

If genealogy isn’t important then why does Peter say,

29 “Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30 Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, [i]according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne,

The idea that Abraham’s fatherhood was not to be ethnic is just ridiculous. Now, to be sure, not all of Israel was of Israel and God could raise stones up to be sons of Abraham but those realities don’t negate the covenantal promises which implied that salvation, while not based on race, nevertheless is a blessing that was visited upon genetic lines by God’s grace alone. Why else would God have talked about being God to us and to our children for a thousand generations (Psalm 105:8)? If the covenantal promises don’t typically run, by God’s grace alone, in genetic lines then why bother bringing our children to the baptismal font to receive God’s promises?

2.) No one denies that Israel was in sin for presuming that faith was not needed due to their covenantal relationship with the God of the Bible. However, to suggest that because Israel was in sin for wrongly presuming on God’s grace just because of their genetic connection to Israel doesn’t mean that God’s promises to work in familial covenantal lines is negated. My Children had to combine the promises with faith. So will my grandchildren. However, God has always remained faithful to be God to His people in their generations. To deny that God is faithful to His people in their generations plays havoc with the character of God.

McAtee contra Layfield Pt. 1

Some chap who is a Brit and whom I don’t know recently decided to try and disprove Kinism. This Steve Layfield wrote a paper titled “Kinist Contentions.” This paper is about seven pages long. I will be rebutting some significant portion of it for the next few days. This will start slow but hopefully will build as the series continues.

SL starts,

Good Creation

First, God created the world & it was very good. The UNFALLEN progeny of Adam & Eve would have spread out across the globe and built civilization to the glory of God. There would have been distinct family heritage all the way back to Adam but no necessity for successive generations to remain closely bound among their near blood relatives.

BLM responds,

There is obviously no absolute necessity now for successive generations to remain closely bound among their near blood relatives and yet they do. SL merely offers an assertion without any proof. How does he know that blood relatives would not have remained closely bound to their blood relatives if the fall had not occurred? He doesn’t know this. It’s a mere assertion on his part.

SL writes,

Mutations most likely would not have occurred (?) but a simple, providential shuffling of genes & chromosomes would have taken place allowing for a diversity of progeny with differing physical, mental and perhaps even emotional/psychological characteristics. Geographical and environmental locations might have impacted the visible differences also – e.g. melanin + sunlight intensity generating various shades of skin colour.

BLMc responds

This is just more cursory speculation on Steve’s part about what life would have been like if the fall had not happened. But the fall did happen and this is all merely empty assertions and guessing. Anybody can guess.

Notice here also the subtle suggestion on SL’s part that race can be reduced to melanin.

SL writes,

But, there would have been no moral basis for restricting marriage across families. Rather, due to the rich diversity of genetic material and the inherent potential for various genotypes to express themselves in a multitude of different phenotypes, a host of amazing talents, abilities and aptitudes would have emerged!

BLMc responds

There also was no moral basis for not marrying your sister before the fall either but after the fall there came a point where there was a moral basis for not marrying your sister. What is Steve’s point here?

Littlejohn meets Big Bret

https://breakingground.us/were-all-marsilians-now/?fbclid=IwAR2tclgbHpNWkvlaj2jzxfnKcSsX2vPjfez96jzOVILCehe4mV11VXGQMMo

So what Littleboy is giving us here is a warmed over Hegelianism, for all practical purposes.

“For truth is the Unity of the Universal and subjective Will; and the Universal is to be found in the State, in its laws, its universal and rational arrangements. The State is the Divine Idea as it exists on Earth. We have in it, therefore, the object of History in a more definite shape than before; that in which Freedom obtains objectivity, and lives in the enjoyment of this objectivity.”

Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel
The Philosophy of History — 1840


Littleboy is teaching that in this life the State is God. PERIOD. It can do what it likes and we as Christians must obey. The Church can make moral declamations but it has no earthly power. The Church may indeed be and often is errant. The Church, per Littleboy, is a completely spiritual organization (taking “spiritual” to mean “of no practical consequence.”)

So, for Littleboy when the Stalin says “Kill the Ukrainian Christians” then the State being God walking on the earth (the Erastian model) then Christians at most have to get out of the way.

Second, Littleboy might love him some Erastus and Marsiglio da Padova but unfortunately our Constitution(s) don’t find those two quoted much. The US Constitutions as well as most State Constitutions are clear on this… The State may not infringe on Religious freedoms;” No, not even in a scamdemic. The State is limited to enumerated and delegated powers one of which is not closing churches down — no not even during pandemics.

Now the State can certainly and ought to advise the Church but the Church being God’s Kingdom makes its own decisions. Littleboy seems to have forgotten the idea of jurisdictions. The State has no jurisdiction in the Kingdom realm. This is why the State does not tax the Church. The State has no powers of taxation over a foreign entity. The Church is akin to an foreign Embassy and as such the State does not have jurisdiction over that Embassy and those who serve in that embassy. For the State(s) to dictate to the Church whether or not the Church can gather for worship is akin to the State dictating to foreign embassy whether or not they can gather for work.

Littleboy’s observations about the Church holding no fear for the State may be true but what is also true is that the pagan State knows that if any opposition will ever arise to this current skubala state it will be connected to Christianity in some way. As such, the State is doing now what Marxist States have always done … it is seeking to pull whatever remains of the cultural power of the Church out of the ground by closing the Churches.

If the Church is not Kingdom enough to gather on the Lord’s Day for Worship, if it can effectively deny the means of grace to the flock merely because the Pagan State as belonging to the Satan’s Kingdom say’s “That is not allowed,” then the Church is in no sense at all a Kingdom. Littleboy’s argument is a reductio ad absurdum that reduces Christ’s Kingdom to the imagination all the while insisting against all evidence that it is a real something.

In the end Littleboy is just an overeducated surrender monkey. One can’t take a piss these days without hitting one. His analysis finds us embracing the reality that “in the state we live and move and have our being.” The idea that he is connected to anything with the name “Burke” on it is an irony of the deepest sort.

Diversity is our Strength; The Greatest Gaslighting Project in Human History

As everyone knows who isn’t in some cave in a long forgotten tropical island who is still holding out against the Allies in order to honor the Emperor our times are characterized by the push for the holy grail of diversity. Toronto even has in its coat of arms, “Diversity is our strength.”

Fortune 500 companies pay their employees to attend seminars devoted to pushing diversity and “racial sensitivity training.” The US Military as well as the whole US Government structure likewise have asked the demons of diversity to possess them. Even in the world I inhabit — the Evangelical Deep Church — has adopted this mindset with wild eyed mavens insisting that the local congregations which are the most racially diverse are the most holy and the most loved by God.

Of course all this diversity is in pursuit of ideological and cultural uniformity. There is diversity in all this diversity-mongering the way there is sincerity in a hooker telling her latest John, “I love you.” The multicultural push for diversity is in point of fact the greatest amalgamation project since Genesis 11’s historically reliable record of the tower of Babel.

This diversity push would have white people, brown people, black people, red people, and yellow people all thinking like slaves. This diversity would squeeze all the uniqueness out of being French, Shona, Japanese, Peruvian, and Cherokee in favor of a cog, one size fits all, racial and ethnic identity. This diversity is committed to eliminating diversity. Once everyone thinks in terms of the same “New World Order slave dreck diversity” everyone can interbreed so that who God has made us racially and ethnically can partake of the same sameness that will already be part of our thinking. Diversity is our strength really means uniformity is our slavery.

More than that, over the course of time this succubus “diversity” agenda becomes just another form of enslavement and tyranny for those who alone will remain genuinely diverse and distinct from the herd of cookie cutter humanity. This will be the eventuality if the “diversity is our strength” psychopathic lunatics have their way.

They have already advanced their agenda with the mass moving around of peoples into the formerly White Western Christian countries. You don’t really think this has all happened by chance do you? The West, and the West alone has been culturally enriched with the “image of God” dregs of mankind — all racially, ethnically, linguistically, and theologically vastly different from their new “homes.” It’s been like putting ketchup and horseradish on your Ice Cream.

However, now that the third world other is here, the State, being controlled by the International Bankers who are largely responsible for pursuing this globalist mélange, demands that we, the White Western Christian people of the West, assimilate with the vile Christ-hating fens of Africa, Latin America, and Asia — an assimilation which will mean the end of our undoubted catholic Christian faith as exchanged for either some kind of Bahai paganism or Robespierreian worship of “reason.” In this pursuit of assimilation the compromised State shoves down the throat of Westerners oppressive measures to fund our own demise.

1.) Confiscatory taxation to pay the way for those who hate us and our God.

2.) Bureaucratic regulations that will find affirmative action programs that promote the alien and the stranger while penalizing our children.

3.)Further denial of the right of association forcing us to “mingle” with those who practice cliterectomy, defecating in the public square, and bedding children as a matter of habit.

4.) The social engineering of our social order institutions like families and schools so that we all rejoicing in the browning of America.

5.) The imposition of more “hate crime” legislation which is really just a form of thought and speech control and a clever circumvention of our God given liberty.

6.) More attacks on the 2nd amendment so that the Heritage Americans can’t defend themselves from this new minority criminal class.

Diversity is tyranny as exercised against White Christian Westerners. This multicultural, multi-faith, multi-racial, pluralist diverse social order garbage soup is the death of the West and the God who made the West the West in favor of a sulfur social order where Lucifer is god. In this social order you will have all the liberty of the slaves of Mordor.

Biblically defined liberty is impossible among a people who believe the fecal idea that “Diversity is our strength.” The best example of diversity is found in a garbage pit where all the various refuse is thoughtlessly discarded. In a garbage pit there is no particularity, no distinctions, and no order. You want a vision of the future where “Diversity is our strength” is given its head? Then visit your local garbage dump.

Kevin DeYoung Proves He Doesn’t Understand that Theology Remains the Queen of the Sciences

“I fear that in the months and years ahead we will see Christians and churches and gospel movements reshuffling their associations based upon a unity not in shared Christological and soteriological truths but in the sameness of our political and cultural instincts.”

Rev. Kevin De Young

This reveals how stupid our clergy is. DeYoung is considered a leader among the Young and Reformed crowd but do you see how jejune this sentiment is? DeYoung complains that people are switching churches because they want to find a sameness in political and cultural instincts while suggesting at the same time that we are surrendering shared Christological and soteriological truths as the ground for our unity.

HOWEVER, as anybody who has any understanding of Theology knows people are, generally speaking, going to have a sameness of political and cultural instincts because they have the same theology. Theology drives everything. EVERYTHING. The reason that people will share the same political and cultural instincts is because they share the same theological instincts.

Now, to be sure, there are always going to be those who share political and cultural instincts who do not share theological instincts including soteriology and Christology. I personally know a chap who is a Open Theist who affirms the ongoing validity of God’s law. Weird combinations exist. But on the whole people with a shared Christology and soteriology are going to have a sameness is their political and cultural instincts. If they don’t then there is a huge contradiction and / or a felicitous inconsistency in their thinking somewhere.

I don’t want to be in a Church with people whom I putatively share Christology and Soteriology sameness who have the opposite political and cultural instincts that I have. Those differences mean we are serving a different God.

DeYoung is not a wise man.