Durham, Cartwright, & Perkins — Contra R2Kt Virus

Job 31: 26; idolatry

” Vs. 26. // / have looked to the Sun, or moon, when they shined, and my heart hath been secretly enticed or my mouth hath kissed my hand. He gives two reasons why he would riot do this.

[1] Because it is a heinous sin; for as little as folks think of false worship or idolatry; yea, an iniquity to be punished by the judge. Job was not of their religion that plead for toleration. He knew that God’s law gave warrant to them then (and it gives also warrant to us now) to punish idolaters, and the judge ought to do it.”

James Durham 1622 – 1658, Lectures on Job. Edt. by C. Coldwell. (Dallas, Texas; Naphtali Press,1995) p.170.

Note that Durham declares the death penalty decreed by Deut.22:22 to be a moral law. 90 ibid., p. 172

Judicial Law and equity

” And, as for the judicial law, forasmuch as there are some of them made in regard of the region where they were given, and of the people to whom they were given, the prince and the magistrate, keeping the substance and equity of them ( as it were the marrow), may change the circumstance of them, as the times and places and manners of the people shall require. But to say that any magistrate can save the life of blasphemers contemptuous and stubborn idolaters, murderers, adulterers, incestuous persons, and such like, which God by his judicial law hath commanded to be put to death, I do utterly deny, and am ready to prove, if that pertained to this question “.

Thomas Cartwright 1535-1603

“SecondReply” 1575 cited in Worksof John Whitgift,1.270. ParkerSoc. 1851

Note in Cartwright’s quote he appeals to the idea of equity. This is important for many of the R2Kt virus types have suggested that general equity does not allow for the idea of taking the civil law in the OT and making it the norm for today’s magistrates. Cartwright would not have gone for that argument.

Example 3. Hee that blasphemeth the name of God, shall bee put to death, Leuv.24.16. Understand this law of manifest and notorious blasphemies, that pearce through God, as the words import: and then it is a maine fence to the third commaundement. For Gods name may in no wise be abused, and troad under foot: and therefore blasphemers pearcing God, are to be cut off. This is the very law of nature, as appeares by Nabuchadnezzar , who gave in commandement to his people, that whosoever blasphemed the name of the true God should be put to death, Dan.3.29. Here note, that manifest and convicted Atheists, if they bee put to death, have but their deserts.

William Perkins: A Commentarie upon the Epistle to the Galatians. Lon.1617 [ Pilgrim Press, 1989] pp. 202-204.

Note that Perkins connects the first table with the second table all caught up in the ‘very law of nature.’ Even were Perkins to have taught Natural Law he would have insisted that both tables are proclaimed in Natural law and that the magistrate is responsible to enforce both tables.

17th Century Scottish Magistrates Understood Something 21st Century R2Kt Virus Types Don’t Understand

Parliament of Scotland

[21. Act aginst the Crime of Blasphemy].

” OUR Soveraign Lord, and the Estates of Parliament considering that hitherto there hath been no Law in this Kingdom, against the horrible crime of Blasphemy, Therefore, His Majestie, with advice of His said Estates, Doth hereby Statute and Ordain. That whosoever hereafter, not being distracted in his wits, shall rail upon, or curse GOD, or any of the Persons of the blessed Trinity, shal be processed before the chief Justice; and being fpund guilty, shall be punished with Death.”

THE LAWS and ACTS Made in the FIRST PARLIAMENT of Our most High and Dread Soveraign, CHARLES THE SECOND, etc. Holden at Edinburgh the first of January, 1661 etc. Edin 1683. no page numbers

A Solemn Testimony Against Toleration, etc. By the Commissioners of the General Assembly 1649

[Punishment of idolaters capital; perpetuity of this law].

“As the Lord by his servant Moses, in the xviiith of Deuteronomy, requires of him that shall reign over his people, that he have a copy of the law of the Lord by him, and that he read therein all the days of his life, that he may learn to fear the Lord his God, and to keep all the words of that law; so in the xiiith of that book he gives a command to put to death the false prophe, and the brother that speaks to his people to turn them away from the Lord their God; and the reasons taken from the nature of the duty, whereby he persuades unto the obedience thereof, are perpetual and no less binding unto us now, than to them of old.”

Reprinted in Faithful Witness-Bearing Exemplified: Kilmarnock1783. p. 74.

Ussher Makes R2Kt House Fall

Thus Ussher distinguishes

“two distinct powers established by God in these lands, one of which is of the keys committed to the church, the other of the sword entrusted to the civil magistrate; the former ordained to operate about the internal man, having an immediate relation to the remission and retention of sins; the latter ordained to operate about the external man, affording protection to the obedient, and inflicting external punishments upon the rebellious”

A Speech Delivered in the Castle-Chamber at Dublin the xxii of November, Anno 1622, pp.304

Although in this way we make the prince and priest guardians of both tables, and although the matter about which they exercise their office can be the same, still the form and mode of governing in it is distinct in every way. One extends itself only to the external man, the other to the internal; one binds or looses the soul; the other attends to the body and things pertaining to it; one has a special regard to the judgment of the future world, the other refers to the present retention or privation of some of the conveniences of this life.

ibid., p. 6

James Ussher – Archbishop of Armagh (1580-1655) in a speech published with a controversial work against the Jesuit, Hybernus, defends the oath of fidelity which declared the king to be the sole supreme governor in the kingdom.

Both citations as found in Francis Turretin’s Institutes of Elenctic Theology, Vol. III, p. 322-323

Don’t Be A Patsy

Politics is as much about expectations and perception as it is about reality. This has been seen recently in the whole hub bub about John McCain possibly picking a pro-choice Democrat or Republican Vice presidential running mate.

John McCain is not, nor has ever been so politically stupid as to do such a suicidal thing, but he is as clever as a fox. Even with no intent to choose a Vice presidential pro-choice candidate McCain scores big in the expectations and perception categories.

First, by floating the trial balloon that he might choose a pro-choice democrat as his VP he creates a scenario where the firestorm of negative reaction by the brainless Republican “conservative” base gives them the sense of having political muscle when McCain pulls back from the edge of that kind of choice. Hence, McCain, by threatening to violate his already alienated base ends up giving them the perception that John McCain will listen to them.

Second, by leaking that he might choose a pro-choice Democrat, McCain insures that a only marginally conservative Vice Presidential nominee looks good in comparison to the VP nominee that was McCain was contemplating. By floating the pro-abortion possibility McCain wins the perception game.

Third, McCain gains with the Independents he is courting by suggesting to the Independents and pro-death Republicans that he is broad enough to actually consider somebody that they would be appealing to them. Even if McCain doesn’t choose a pro-choice candidate now he has delivered the message that he is broad enough to unite the party.

Fourth, by floating this balloon a this time it serves as a good balancing act with the conservative performance that he knew he was going to put on at CEO and CFR’s Rick Warren’s Community Center. McCain was going conservative with Warren but that is balanced by talking about choosing a pro-death candidate.

Personally, I wish McCain would choose a pro-choice candidate for that would forever expose him to be as liberal has he always has been. Maybe if he chose a Lieberman or Ridge type VP the brain dead “conservative” base might actually begin to get it.

Fisking Mr. Warren’s Neighborhood Civic Forum Part I

Mr. Warren Questions B. Hussein Obama

LET’S TALK ABOUT PERSONAL LIFE. THE BIBLE SAYS THAT INTEGRITY AND LOVE ARE THE BASIS FOR LEADERSHIP. THIS IS A TOUGH QUESTION, WHAT
WOULD BE LOOKING OVER YOUR LIFE, EVERYBODY’S GOT WINGS, NOBODY’S PERFECT, WOULD BE THE GREATEST MORAL FAILURE…OF AMERICA?

B. Hussein Obama answers,

I THINK AMERICA’S GREATEST MORAL FAILURE IN MY LIFETIME HAS BEEN THAT WE STILL DON’T ABIDE BY THAT BASIC RESPECT IN MATTHEW THAT WHATEVER YOU DO FOR THE LEAST OF MY BROTHERS, YOU DO FOR ME.

AND NOTION OF — THAT BASIC PRINCIPLE APPLIES TO POVERTY. IT APPLIES TO RACISM AND SEXISM. IT APPLIES TO, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVING — NOT THINKING ABOUT PROVIDING LADDERS OF OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO GET INTO THE MIDDLE CLASS. I MEAN, THERE IS A PERVASIVE SENSE I THINK THAT THIS COUNTRY IS WEALTHY AND POWERFUL AS WE STILL DON’T SPEND ENOUGH TIME THINKING ABOUT THE LEAST OF THESE —

Pastor Bret Fisking,

This reveals Obama’s basic socialistic leaning. Behind this answer is the premise that the State must do more by way of wealth redistribution, and quota legislation.

Also the answer ignores the utter failure that the Nanny State has been. We have spent billions of dollars since FDR’s New Deal and LBJ’s Great Society to eliminate poverty and to provide for “the least of these” and most of what has been accomplished is creating a permanent poverty class by our subsidizing poverty, as well as a slave class dependent upon Massa State for handouts and take care of them.

Indeed I would say the greatest domestic moral fault of America in the past 80 years has been to pursue, by way of legislation and policy, the impoverishment and enslavement of large swaths of our population. America has been guilty of pursuing policies that create and perpetuate “the least of these.” Out of the desire to build a permanent constituency of those who are constantly reminded what they are owed and how they have been victimized, politicians like Obama have created a climate of bitterness and hatred between those who have been taught to envy and those who are the countries producers. That is moral failure in spades.

Relief for the “least of these” will not be secured by quotas and wealth redistribution. Relief for the “least of these” will come by way of the State giving up the sovereignty that it has stolen from family, church, and education realms, so that these spheres of sovereignty can be strengthened to deal with the “least of these.”

If Obama is elected and is able to pursue his policies that will take care of “the least of these,” you can book it now that by the time Obama leaves office our “least of these” will be proportionally a larger percentage of the country and they will not be any better off then they were before the Lord Munificent Obama took office.

Finally, we can’t finish this section without noting the utter and total hypocrisy of this “man.” The least of the least of the least of these in America are the unborn and B. Hussein Obama can’t kill them fast enough. It takes a great deal of cheekiness to shed crocodile tears about the “least of these” while being a butcher and torturer of the defenseless.

CEO Rick Warren Asks,

NOW YOU’VE MADE NO DOUBT ABOUT YOUR FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO YOU? WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO YOU TO TRUST IN CHRIST AND WHAT DOES IT MEAN ON A DAILY BASIS? I MEAN, WHAT DOES THAT REALLY LOOK LIKE?

Baby Killer B. Hussein Obama answers,

AS A STARTING POINT, IT MEANS I BELIEVE IN THAT JESUS CHRIST DIED FOR MY SINS AND THAT I AM REDEEMED THROUGH HIM. THAT IS A SOURCE OF STRENGTH AND SUSTENANCE ON A DAILY BASIS. I KNOW THAT I DON’T WALK
ALONE, AND I KNOW THAT IF I CAN GET MYSELF OUT OF THE WAY, THAT I CAN MAYBE CARRY OUT IN SOME SMALL WAY WHAT HE INTENDS. AND IT MEANS THAT THOSE SINS THAT I HAVE ON A FAIRLY REGULAR BASIS HOPEFULLY WILL BE WASHED AWAY.

BUT WHAT IT ALSO MEANS, I THINK, IS A SENSE OF OBLIGATION TO EMBRACE NOT JUST WORDS BUT THROUGH DEEDS THE EXPECTATIONS THAT GOD HAS FOR US. AND THAT MEANS THINKING ABOUT THE LEAST OF THESE. IT MEANS ACTING — WELL, ACTING JUSTLY AND LOVING MERCY AND WALKING HUMBLY WITH OUR GOD. AND THAT, I THINK TRYING TO APPLY THOSE LESSONS ON A DAILY BASIS KNOWING THAT YOU ARE GOING TO FALL A LITTLE BIT SHORT EACH DAY AND
KIND OF TRYING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE NOTE AND SAY, WELL, THAT DIDN’T QUITE WORK OUT THE WAY I THINK IT SHOULD HAVE BUT MAYBE I CAN GET A LITTLE BIT BETTER. IT GIVES ME THE CONFIDENCE TO TRY THINGS INCLUDING THINGS LIKE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO SCREW UP ONCE IN A WHILE.

Pastor Bret Fisks,

Scripture reminds us that a you can tell a tree by its fruits. Obama can shout all he wants that he is ‘redeemed’ but if he produces the fruit of dead babies then he is either a liar or he is deceived.

This answer though is red meat for the leftist evangelical crowd.

Here is a question for the R2Kt virus guys. Let’s say you had B. Hussein Obama as a member of your congregation and in his job in the common realm he consistently pursues the death of the unborn as he has consistently done as State and US Senator, and further, he appeals to a well thought out natural law basis for his position that he insists honors the Lordship of Jesus…does your church leadership discipline President B. Husein Obama?