J. Ligon Duncan & John Piper … Typical of Modern Reformed Leadership

“In conservative evangelical circles, oftentimes there’ll be a real concern about immigration, and especially, what? Illegal immigration…But here’s the thing. What if that is God’s plan to reverse secularization in the United States?”

Ligon Duncan
Chancellor & CEO — Reformed Theological Seminary 

1.) Illegal Immigration has been a problem for over 20 years now Lig. For 20 years they’ve been coming here illegally hand over fist. Where is the reversal of secularization, you idiot? Let me guess … we have to have even more illegal immigration before we can get to the point of the end of secularization.

2.) There is also a possibility that it is God’s plan to use invading Christian Martian troops in order to reverse the secularization in the USA.

Duncan wants to talk about ‘ifs.” You know … (this is a true story) my Grandpa used to often tell me that if Grandma had balls she wouldn’t be Grandma. It was his way of saying that living by “if” wasn’t a very wise way to live.

3.) Does Duncan really believe that pagans (assorted Muslims, Hindus, Taoists, syncretized Catholicism from the Hispanic world) and as from the third world are going to come here and reverse secularization?

Seriously folks … only a mental retard would believe such a thing.

Dear God deliver us from such fools being called leaders.

Elsewhere John Piper pipes up;

The King’s sons are not obliged to pay taxes to institutions created by their Father. They are obliged to obey their Father, not man. Therefore, when they pay the tax, they do so to honor their Father because he gave them the resources and the command: “Take that and give it to them” (Matthew 17:27).

Bret responds,

And yet John forgets that the Father says, “Render therefore to all their dues: taxes to whom taxes are due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.” Romans 13:7. God does not say render to all whatever they say they are due. He says, “render therefore to all their due.” If it is not due to them then we are not to render it to them even if they insist to the contrary.

Piper is using this verse to justify Christians deciding to get quaxxed (vaccinated) since like taxes owed being paid, quaxxs demanded should be submitted to per the pied piper. Piper is using the requirement to pay taxes to suggest that Christians should take the quaxx since by doing so they show their freedom by submission to the FEDS. (Hey …. it’s his argument. Not mine.) Does Piper really believe that God would have His people submit to an ordinance by the Government held by some of the brightest medical experts to be an ordinance that leads to death?

This is yet another example of turning Christianity into a death cult.

Like so many of the Church leaders today John Piper is an idiot and listening to what this man says on societal issues is going to get you killed.

John Piper is not done though,

“When people respond to this increasingly clear reality that non-quaxxed people are the ones dying by pointing to untrustworthy and disreputable government and medical leaders, I respond, “That’s a non sequitur.”

Bret reponds,

Let me get this straight. It is a non-sequitur to point out that disreputable people are producing untrustworthy statistics in order to deny the untrustworthy statistics that you Piper are giving as evidence that we should be quaxxed if we don’t want to die?

Who listens to these people? Our Christian population must be retarded to find this kind of “reasoning” to be compelling.

Author: jetbrane

I am a Pastor of a small Church in Mid-Michigan who delights in my family, my congregation and my calling. I am postmillennial in my eschatology. Paedo-Calvinist Covenantal in my Christianity Reformed in my Soteriology Presuppositional in my apologetics Familialist in my family theology Agrarian in my regional community social order belief Christianity creates culture and so Christendom in my national social order belief Mythic-Poetic / Grammatical Historical in my Hermeneutic Pre-modern, Medieval, & Feudal before Enlightenment, modernity, & postmodern Reconstructionist / Theonomic in my Worldview One part paleo-conservative / one part micro Libertarian in my politics Systematic and Biblical theology need one another but Systematics has pride of place Some of my favorite authors, Augustine, Turretin, Calvin, Tolkien, Chesterton, Nock, Tozer, Dabney, Bavinck, Wodehouse, Rushdoony, Bahnsen, Schaeffer, C. Van Til, H. Van Til, G. H. Clark, C. Dawson, H. Berman, R. Nash, C. G. Singer, R. Kipling, G. North, J. Edwards, S. Foote, F. Hayek, O. Guiness, J. Witte, M. Rothbard, Clyde Wilson, Mencken, Lasch, Postman, Gatto, T. Boston, Thomas Brooks, Terry Brooks, C. Hodge, J. Calhoun, Llyod-Jones, T. Sowell, A. McClaren, M. Muggeridge, C. F. H. Henry, F. Swarz, M. Henry, G. Marten, P. Schaff, T. S. Elliott, K. Van Hoozer, K. Gentry, etc. My passion is to write in such a way that the Lord Christ might be pleased. It is my hope that people will be challenged to reconsider what are considered the givens of the current culture. Your biggest help to me dear reader will be to often remind me that God is Sovereign and that all that is, is because it pleases him.

2 thoughts on “J. Ligon Duncan & John Piper … Typical of Modern Reformed Leadership”

  1. Yep.
    On hearing about Piper I also thought that it strange Scripture is being used to obey the government in all and every command unless they specifically ask you to have an abortion, murder someone (such as a doctor might face), or compel you to take part in an obvious heinous sin. Our pastor said that last year. Only fighting allowed is under compulsion, otherwise, vote, but obey. He said there are some gray areas under people’s conscience, and he gave an example of whether it is good or right to protest murder mills.
    My conclusion is that such folks are leeching off of the freedom other Christians fought and sometimes, died to obtain. So if Piper, et al, are “bold” enough to be policy pacifists, then they should follow through and apologize for the revolutionary Christian Patriots and then move to a different country. That would show integrity. Don’t take advantage of the freedom they think was wrongfully obtained.

    1. Kurt,

      Your Pastor, like most Reformed clergy today is a foolish or stupid person. (Otherwise known as an idiot.) I wouldn’t let my dog sit under his teaching.

      You might want to spread this video link below around your Church to see that your Pastor’s treatment of Romans 13 is NOT historically Reformed. Not even close.


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