McAtee & Wilson Converse on Kinism … And you are Privy — Part III

Doug Wilson writes,

Rejecting Malevolence

McAtee begins his piece by quoting my book.

The thing that requires me to identify kinists as racists (and as much in defiance of the Scriptures as any they oppose) is the overt malevolence they routinely show toward the image and work of God Himself. To mock folly and sin is a prophetic duty. To mock the color of a man’s skin is to defy the handiwork of God.

Douglas Wilson, Skin and Blood

And he also quotes me as saying this . . .

Racial malice and racial vainglory are sins against God, not because they take the obvious factors of race into account as they interpret the world, but because they are malicious and vainglorious.”

Douglas Wilson, Skin and Blood

First, notice my use of “racial” and “race” in that quote, which is how I used to speak of these things. Back in the old days before I was wise.

BLM responds

1.) Well, as the younger and less wise Doug is just now having this book come out from the older and more wise Doug, I might suggest that he “stop the presses” so his older and more wiser self can make the changes before the hot off the presses book is released.

DW writes,

So let me begin our interaction with something McAtee does grant at the beginning, and which I am very glad to see—as far as it goes.

Allow me to admit that there have been times when I have seen black people being mocked by white Kinists simply because they are black. I do agree when this happens this is a bridge too far . . . I will grant that it is still sin to mock the color of a man’s skin if Wilson will grant that a majority of people with pigmented skin have been co-opted to genocide White Christians and to roll Jesus Christ off His throne.”

Bret McAtee

First, while I don’t want to quibble, it seems to me that a confession that mean-spiritedness is wrong ought not to be dependent on anybody else admitting to something else. That’s not how this works. But as far as the point he wants me to grant goes, I do grant it. But something more needs to be said, and it is really important.

BLM responds,

1.) The reader needs to go back and read the ellipsis that Wilson omits in order to get a better understanding of my comment to which DW objects.

2.) As long as people go back and look at that ellipsis to see the context I am happy to grant this to Rev Wilson. Certainly, though DW does not really think that my  admitting to some mean-spiritedness happening in the Kinist camp is first dependent on him admitting to something else? My mistake above was in using the word “if” as opposed to using a word like “expecting.”  Thank you Doug for pointing this out. It was a proper correction.

DW writes quoting me,

I do think though that the Rev. Wilson might want to take into some considerations that there currently is an ongoing attempt to genocide white people, or at the very least turn them into hewers of wood and drawers of water (slaves) . . . Does Wilson need to be reminded that it is minorities along with other constituencies who are have been captured by the cultural Marxists . . .”

Bret McAtee

No, I don’t need to be reminded of anything like that. I am in a pitched battle with the commies, and I don’t much care what color the commies are. Here we are, defending our cultural Helm’s Deep, and the next wave of orcs comes swarming up the walls. And then suddenly, down our rampart a little bit, I hear the cry raised by the kinists. “Just shoot at the darker ones!” I would suggest mildly, and with just a hint of exasperation, that somebody doesn’t understand what the hell is going on.

BLM responds,

1.) DW bangs this drum a little too long and a little too loud. If you look at the Kinists writings (Iron Ink, Tribal Theocrat, Faith & Heritage) there is just scads of evidence of arrows skewering the chest of plenty of Caucasian orcs from the Kinist bows. I admit that the claim, from a literary standpoint is colorful and genius, but I deny that it is rooted in reality.

2.) For the sake of argument though, even were it true (and it most certainly is not true) were the Kinist “just shooting the darker orcs” it would still mean that Helm’s deep had fewer enemies assaulting the gates than it had before those kinist arrows were unleashed. And that would be a good thing right Doug?

Still, having said that I agree with you. Christendom is dead whether we are slain by white orcs or by non-white orcs and so they must all be put down.

And here I suppose, just to be safe, I should add that we are talking in metaphors here. I am not a bowman by trade and I have no intent to unleash real live arrows on anybody any time soon.

3.) Still, if DW would be exasperated, exclaiming that “somebody doesn’t understand what the hell is going on,” allow me to suggest that has been the mindset of the Kinists for well over a decade now. Rome is burning and all we get from the CREC normies and Murican Bears is that the Kinists are the Hell-bound enemy, when all we are doing is trying to defend Helm’s deep from all comers. Does the fact that you don’t believe in race and we do believe in race mean that we can’t at least play the role of the Ents to your role of the Riders of Rohan defending Helm’s Deep? Must we be shooting each other in the defense of what little is left of Christian civilization?

DW writes,

Various minorities, pigmented and otherwise, have in fact been co-opted by forces of great evil in the world. That is true. But their program is not really genocidal. What is the color of the co-opters? It would be better to describe all this as suicidal.

But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: All they that hate me love death.”

Proverbs 8:36 (KJV)

BLM responds,

Again, I have repeatedly written that the co-opters are a problem. I have also repeatedly written that the co-opters of the co-opters are even a bigger problem. And, I would still disagree that this is not genocidal and religio-cidal. The enemy is out to especially genocide the Christian white man and religio-cide the Biblical Christianity of all men. If someone is both white and Christian they live with a larger target on their back. If someone is both non-white and a Biblical Christian they are lonely beyond words. The new proletariat being used (co-opted) to “March through the institutions” are a large percentile of minorities, all perverts, feminists, and many academics. You’ll notice it is not White South African Christians that they are letting come across the borders by the millions.

DW writes,

When the body of whiteness is found, and the gun lying beside that carcass still warm, it will not be to the point to say that the gun hated whiteness. The gun was the instrument, but it was whiteness itself that pulled the trigger. Aggrieved minorities (ethnic, sexual, hearing-impaired, and Vietnam-era vets) are being used as the instrument, sure enough. So?

BLM responds,

Here we find a significant disagreement. Whiteness pulled the trigger or “Whiteness” is pulling the trigger?

And here we find, once again, Doug going all racial. Why is it when DW makes a mistake on the matter of race it seems always to be in the context of how evil the white man is? “Whiteness pulled the trigger?”

And the answer to the “so” question is. “it’s always good to know who your enemy is.”

DW writes

I grant that “whiteness” has been made a central target, and that extermination of Western civilization, that is to say, a generically Christian civilization, is the goal. Much of the besieged city is not truly Christian anymore, but these people hate God so much they don’t want anything that even reminds them of something that used to be Christian.

BLM responds,

No, it is not a generically Christian civilization that the enemy is going after Doug. It is a particularly white Christian civilization that they are going after.

I thoroughly agree with DW’s second sentence above.

DW writes,

But who co-opted these minorities in the first place? Who enlisted them to do this awful thing? Who is using them as a cat’s paw? White people, that’s who. Woodrow Wilson was white. FDR was white. LBJ was white. Earl Warren was white. Margaret Sanger was white. King Charles III is white. Out of the six justices who voted for Roe, only one was black. Elizabeth Warren is white. Ted Kennedy was white. Nelson Rockefeller was white. John Roberts is white. Jimmy Carter is white. Nancy Pelosi is white. Hillary Clinton is white, ditto Bill. John Dewey was white. Richard Rorty is white. Keith Olbermann is white. The overwhelming number of Ivy League grads are white. Shall I go on?

BLM responds,

White people are guilty Doug? But I didn’t think whiteness existed? But maybe I should re-translate this to mean people of European ancestry are guilty?

1.) Now this “who” question brings us to another flash point but instead of quoting from Martin Luther or John Calvin, or Peter Hammond or Maurice Pinay, or Nesta Webster, or Chrysostom I’ll just quote from a Normie hero of the 20th century. Somebody that the CREC crew can get behind;

“In violent opposition to all this sphere of Jewish effort rise the schemes of the International Jews. The adherents of this sinister confederacy are mostly men reared up among the unhappy populations of countries where Jews are persecuted on account of their race. Most, if not all, of them have forsaken the faith of their forefathers, and divorced from their minds all spiritual hopes of the next world. This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognisable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.”
By the Rt. Hon. Winston S. Churchill.
 Illustrated London Herald
February 08, 1920 — pg. 5

Now, DW, later in this piece will mock people who make the same observation above that Sir. Winston Churchill makes but this observation has been made by the best of Christian men through the centuries (and the worst of them as seen by the Churchill quote) and I suspect that it is no less true in 2022 then it was in 1920 when Winnie wrote what he wrote. The “who” question … the who as in who is the ultimate co-opter in this drama has to be answered and Sir Winston Churchill steps right up to the mic and gives us the answer. This is not to say that plenty of white shaboss goy do not exist who have played their role and need to be indicted. It is to say that the fire that is alight in Western Civilization will not be put out by anyone who does not want to face the “who” question squarely.

2.) Winnie gave us a pretty good list to offset DW’s list of guilty white shaboss goy but allow me to give a few more names.


First can we admit that among the political players that Doug mentions that they themselves are likewise merely cat’s paws of a much bigger interest. IOW, those white people among the political players that DW lists are being moved and animated by another whole level of Malthusian anti-Christ chicanery that often is peopled by a minority that is white when convenient and not white when not convenient.

Yes, and Herbert Marcuse was white, and so is David Axelrod, and Max Horkheimer, and Jacques Derrida, and Janet Yellin, and Timothy Geitner, and Chuck Todd and Spielberg, Katzenberg and Geffin, and George Soros, and Louis Brandeis and Felix Frankfurter, and Felix Weil and FDR’s handler Bernard Baruch, and Nixon’s handler Henry Kissinger, and Samuel Untermeyer, and George Lukacs, and Wilhem Reich and Sigmund Freud, and Leon Bronstein, and the overwhelming number of Harvard graduates are “white.” Shall I go on Doug? OK.. I will

Bella Abzug was “white,” and Gloria Steinem, and Betty Friedan of “The Feminist Mystique Fame” and Sec. State Anthony Blinken, and Sec. Homeland Security, Alejandro Mayorkas, and Rachel Levin the Admiral in the Biden Administration that seemingly can’t answer the question, “What is a Woman.”  are “white.” Louis B. Mayer was “white.” So is Roman Polanski and Bill Maher.

I feel like Captain American when I say; “I can do this all day.”

DW writes,

So when the commies are wrecking the place, which they are, you don’t get to say that all the white people who cooked up the destructo-plans in the first place are doing their evil deeds in spite of their noble skin color, and that all the darker-skinned groups that have been enlisted as patsies in the cause are doing it because of the color of their skin. How convenient for the thesis. What my net don’t catch ain’t fish.

Bret responds,

1.) That’s cute. Except no Kinists has ever said that or I suspect ever thought it. Is DW conflating Kinism with CI?

2.) Commies are only white people DW? If Paul can justly characterized Cretins with negative attributes isn’t it time to justly characterize another specific people group as more than just being “white.” Who are the real patsies DW and who have used the willing white Shaboss Goy from time immemorial?

I am glad to point the finger at the evil white men who have traded in their inheritance for a pot of red stew and have done so repeatedly on Iron Ink. Are you Doug, willing to name the people that Winnie named?

Thanks … I didn’t think so.


Vox Day weighs in on the matter. He is not as winsome as I am.

Doug Wilson is a Boomer Fraud


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One thought on “McAtee & Wilson Converse on Kinism … And you are Privy — Part III”

  1. Nice piece. (It’s always nice when you can turn the tables on these folks by quoting one of their own like Churchill).

    “The turning point in Churchill’s political career occurred in 1936, when he was delivered from “the wilderness” by a group which called itself “The Focus for the Defense of Freedom and Peace”—originally the “British Non-Sectarian Anti-Nazi Council to Champion Human Rights.” … Robert Waley-Cohen, a prominent City figure and chairman of Shell, wrote Churchill a check for 50,000 pounds (about 4.8 U.S. million today), to reimburse him for his losses during the stock market crash of 1929. The Focus group forced Edward VIII to abdicate (Dec. 1936)—not because he proposed to marry a divorcee, but because he was sympathetic to Germany—and eventually assumed the leadership from [an] ailing Chamberlain, who resigned May 10, 1940.”p. 139.

    Gerard Menuhin, ‘Tell the Truth and Shame the Devil’

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