Category: Marxism/Cultural Marxism

“These men who are trying to refute pastor Jerry Dorris are playing themselves and showing their foolishness. The irony of these posts is that in their scheme 23-year-old Iryna Zarutska is the actual ‘invader’ as a legal immigrant from the Ukraine and Decarlos Brown, Jr. is their American neighbor.

I am for ICE doing their job, our civil government protecting the border and even restricting legal immigration so that our nation can be preserved. But I’m also for treating individuals with respect and dignity as neighbors by proximity.

These men have lost the plot and are not as the Christians they profess to be.”

Rev. Joseph Spurgeon

1.) This began with Rev. Dorris writing a post saying he was politically against illegal immigration but that did not mean he would refuse to treat illegals as his neighbor. Rev. Dorris was clearly invoking the idea, from the Bible, of being a “good Samaritan.” Rev. Dorris was suggesting that all Christians must treat all illegals as neighbors.

2.) More than a few people (including myself) took exception to that, insisting that Rev. Dorris was making the parable of the Good Samaritan walk on all fours.

3.) Nobody has tried to refute Rev. Dorris as if he has not yet been refuted. Rev. Dorris has been refuted in spades.

4.) The irony that Rev. Spurgeon sees is not ironic in the least. He should know by now that the complaint that nearly all those involved have is not the immigration of white Christians into the nation, such as Zarutska. (She was Eastern Orthodox of some stripe.) The complaint is against bringing in those who are from, as the President has said, “third world fecal holes.”

** – Speaking only for myself, I think it unwise at this point to allow for any immigration at all. We need a period of adjustment.

5.) Decarlos Brown, and numerous other minorities in our country was a neighbor the same way that Ted Bundy or one of the Manson family members would be a neighbor if they moved next door.

6.) What Rev. Spurgeon (and Rev. Doriss) are doing to the parable of the Good Samaritan is they are replacing the poor chap in the parable who was beaten and robbed by the assailants for the assailants themselves who were beaten up because they fell down seeking to flee from the scene of the crime they committed. In that kind of Parable, Jesus would have expected the Good Samaritan to call the authorities to arrest those who had done the robbing.

7.) In the parable of the Good Samaritan it is clear that the chap robbed by the villains was the victim. What Pastors Dorris and Spurgeon are doing is turning the Robbers and Malefactors who did the beating in the Good Samaritan into the victim. In Pastors Dorris and Spurgeon’s world the third world equatorial immigrants who are here and who are bilking the system, who are essentially committing theft on a mass scale, and who are squandering our children’s inheritance by their massive fraud are the ones who are the victims and who need to have all the love and affection given to the genuine victim in the parable of the Good Samaritan. They have inverted the whole meaning of the parable. They have turned the parable of the Good Samaritan into one only a bleeding heart Arminian/Liberal could appreciate.

8.) In doing so Pastors Spurgeon and Dorris are ignoring the Scriptures that teach that one of God’s judgments against His disobedient people is to be cursed with being flooded with the Stranger and the Alien. When Pastors Spurgeon and Dorris write as they do people hear them say that “Christians should embrace God’s curse.” Quite to the contrary Christians who love God and their people will do all they can to not be visited with the curse. Pastors should not push principles (such as treating invaders as “neighbors”) that fault people for not wanting to be under God’s curse and for not wanting to have to live in their land where they are the tail and the stranger and alien is the head. (See Deut. 28:15f)

9.) Nobody, that I have seen in this conversation has denied the necessity of speaking the Gospel to the stranger and the alien while they are here. Nobody has insisted, as far as I can see, that the stranger and the alien are not image bearers of God. But the fact that the alien and the stranger need the Gospel and the fact that they are image bearers of God does not mean that we should become comfortable with the presence of the alien and the stranger in our midst. In point of fact, we should not.

10.) Rev. Spurgeon has been slow witted ever since I came across the good Rev. years ago. We make allowances for such people. However, it is those who are advocating for the kinds of things that Rev. Spurgeon is advocating for who have lost the plot and are not the Christian he professes to be.

11.) What Spurgeon and many like him have missed is that Genocide of the white Christian in the West is being attempted. Immigrants from third world fecal holes are the bombs that are being used in order to replace us. When one is in war one typically does not go out of their way to treat the bomb that is intended to wipe them out as a neighbor.

12.) Pastors like Dorris and Spurgeon are turning the Christian faith into a suicide cult.

I don’t know Rev. Jerry Dorris from Adam. Never met him. Never talked to him. Never corresponded with him on social media. All I know is that he is a Reformed Baptist clergy in Kentucky.

I suspect that it is possible that Jer and I might agree on a number of things. However, on the issue considered in this fisk, Jer and I are on different planets.

Below is a post by the good Rev. Dorris, and my reply. I didn’t reply to him online because I know it wouldn’t do any good having been in more than a few of these kind of conversations.

Pray for the clergy in America. We have fallen so far from our Father’s standards.

Rev. Jerry Dorris writes,

I can recognize that through the state’s failed immigration policies we have allowed dangerous patterns of immigration that have altered neighborhoods and reshaped the nation. As a Christian, I can say plainly that this was wrong. It should stop, and it should be reversed decisively. That conviction does not compromise my duty to communicate the gospel.

Bret replies,

So far, so good.

Rev. Jerry Dorris continues (RJD)

God has allowed our nation to fail in this area (of failed immigration policy), and that failure demands correction. Yet through it, He has brought the nations to our doorstep. What was politically reckless has become, by His providence, a gospel opportunity.

Bret responds,

It is true that the Gospel should be heralded to men from every tribe, tongue, and nation. Even those tribes, tongues, and nations, who have broke US Law in order to be here. In point of fact we, as Christians, should advocate that once these illegals are put into prison camps, built by FEMA, in order to accommodate them until they can be shipped back to their country of origin, they should have the Gospel preached to them by itinerant ministers coming into the camps to preach for just such a reason. In just such a manner we can pray that God might send many of them back to their homelands as converts to their own people.

In just such a way I can both love my neighbor and work in the context of God’s providence that brought them, by way of law-breaking, to this country.

Keep in mind here before we push on from this point that when we speak of “love of neighbor,” we must consider not only the alien and stranger who has been brought here in order to replace White Anglo Saxon Christian America, but we must also consider, as neighbor, our White Anglo Saxon Christian neighbor who the elite NWO bastards in this country intend to replace.

RJD wrote,

I can hold those truths together. I can oppose the policy while loving the neighbor God has placed in front of me. The state’s failure does not excuse hatred. That is the danger for Christians. Political frustration begins to govern moral posture. Anger aimed upward (State) turns sideways (neighbor). The neighbor becomes a symbol rather than a soul.

Bret responds,

Understand here that RJD does not seem to understand that the alien and stranger that is now potentially the neighbor of various and sundry Christians, has been placed here with the intent of rolling Christ off His throne. The illegals that have been brought here by the NWO elites have been brought here to destroy the White Christian population. The NWO elites intend to pull Christ down from His throne and by the elimination of White people the NWO elites are accomplishing their agenda to cast down Jesus the Messiah by diminishing the presences of the one people group who throughout history has built Christendom wherever their feet have trod.

If I am to love the stranger and alien, I must first start by loving them enough to seek to remove them from my community. I can, at one and the same time, bring them a meal, or help babysit their children, while doing all I can to have them put into FEMA camps for extradition. There is nothing inconsistent in the least with doing both of those things at the same time.

Indeed, if I don’t seek their removal, I am not loving my White Anglo Saxon neighbor by allowing their presence and influence be diminished in the Nation built for the White Anglo Saxon Christian.

Rev. Dorris’ danger as a Christian clergy is by allowing his political acquiescence to govern his moral disposition. Rev. Dorris has completely forgotten his duty to love God and his neighbor. Rev. Dorris has forgotten his love for God by failing the first commandment. Dorris seems not to understand that by swamping us with practitioners of other religions from third world countries that the gods they bring with them are being prioritized over the God of the Bible as their gods will now receive equal consideration by the same NWO elites who brought them here.

Dorris has allowed the alien and strange to become a symbol of evangelistic possibility at the cost of the souls of his White Anglo Saxon Christian brothers.

But … by all means, I do pray that while we are trying to save our nation that we should speak Christ to those strangers and aliens who hate Christ and hate His church. Preferably, when they are in the kind of camps the Japs were during WW II. (Which by the way would be high living for them considering where the living conditions of where they came from.)

Well, at least, when they aren’t trying to stuff, pin, and sink our 4 y/o grandchildren into a horse trough full of snow with a mop handle.

RJD writes,

You are not permitted to hate the neighbor because the state failed. You can seek national correction without abandoning personal faithfulness. When politics reshapes your posture toward the lost, it has exceeded its authority and must be resisted.

Bret responds,

1.) It is the very gnard of love to advocate for legislation to round up illegals to ship them back to their country of origin while giving them extra hand me downs I find in the attic so their children won’t play in the street naked.

2.) Scripture calls for us to “hate that which is evil.” If strangers, aliens, and foreigners are evil is it ok to hate them then?

3.) I wonder if RJD would have faulted Cortes for all the hatred he showed to the Aztecs?

4.) Try a thought experiment here. Pretend, if you can, that it is the 12th century. For whatever reasons the European elite has decided to import Mooselimb hordes into European homelands. You know with each boatload of Mooselimbs that settle in your once Christian land that your Christian faith is going to be, soon enough, jettisoned because these Christ haters get to vote.

Would Jerry say it is “hate” to want to keep the Mooselimbs at arm’s length?

The word “Dhimmitude” is of fairly recent origin as brought forth from the pen of Muslim scholar Bat Ye’or. Bat Ye’or took the Arabic word Dhimmi, which means “Non-Muslim” and slammed it together with the suffix “tude” from “servitude” to give us Dhimmitude. Its meaning thus is the permanent state or condition of subjection of Non-Muslims (particularly Jews and Christians) living under Muslim rule. Living under dhimmitude requires the dhimmis to either accept their status of second class citizens or failing that face forced conversion, enslavement, or death.

Naturally enough, those living under dhimmitude live in both fear and silence. The live in fear that they might somehow hit the tripwire of insufficient subjection to their Muslim lord and they live in silence because silence is the best way to insure that one doesn’t hit that trip wire of insufficient subjection. Obviously, living in such a manner in such a culture brings it with the prohibition to criticize the culture, manners, or customs of the Islamic culture.

The idea of dhimmitude is not unique to Muslim cultures. Anybody who has read about life behind the Iron Curtain during the reign of the Communists knows that those who lived in Eastern Europe and Russia during the Cold War were also kept under Marxist dhimmitude.

Once dhimmitude is established generationally it is hard to even notice the servitude that one is living under. One becomes so conditioned to the status of second class citizen one just owns it as a way of life. The minds of people who have lived generationally in dhimmitude have the minds of dhimmis and begin to find it to be a natural condition. In other words, they dhimmis don’t even see their dhimmi-ness.

I submit that something like this has happened in the West. Of course it is not that we are living under the servitude of Islam. (Though you might disagree with me on that if you live in Dearborn, Minneapolis, Columbus, or Lewiston/Auburn Me.) The dhimmitude that the West has been living under and is now living under I submit is the ruling and reigning religion of Cultural Marxism. Cultural Marxism might be slapped with different titles. People might call it “political correctness,” or they might call it “Critical Theory,” or they might call it “WOKE,” or they might call it “Multiculturalism” but whatever one calls it, it is clear that we are living under the shadow of this Muslim like dominance. This dominance has folks silencing themselves for fear of being completely ruined.

And well people should have this dhimmi like fear. As someone who decided not to follow the multicultural dhimmi code years ago, I myself know what it is like to have the dhimmi clergy and dhimmi police bring charges against me for infractions against the multicultural dhimmi code. More than that I have seen people leave churches for fear of being associated with someone else in the local congregation of a putatively Christian church who refused to accept his or her dhimmi status.

We Westerners right now are living as dhimmis under dhimmitude. We have learned, whether originally from our time in the classroom, or later during our time in the local Christian church to censor and silence ourselves when it comes to the prevailing maxims of the ruling multiculturalism that we are now living under. Indeed, it may be the case that the only religion that is more totalistic than Islam is the religion of multiculturalism. Indeed multiculturalism is so totalistic, with its central faith demand of tolerance that it refuses to allow the dhimmis to be intolerant of any other and all other religions.

It is our multicultural dhimmitude with its central plank of tolerance that finds us unable to criticize both Zionism and Islam, despite the desperate need for each of these to be criticized harshly. As dhimmis we dare not speak the truth about Zionism and/or Islam because to do so threatens the very fabric of the worldview that now controls the West. One has to understand that to criticize Zionism, Secular Judaism and/or Islam is to, at the same exact moment, to criticize multiculturalism since multiculturalism rises and falls with the ability to be tolerant of all other religions. Any criticism of any religion except Christianity is a criticism of the religion that is ruling us as dhimmis, and that can not be allowed.

Now some might wonder why it is that Christianity is a faith that multiculturalism allows to be criticized by us dhimmis. The reason for that is that Christianity is the only religion that doesn’t have a dog in this fight. It is the Jews who created multiculturalism and so obviously they desire to keep it going as the reigning faith, and it is Muslims that the Jews are using as a hammer to keep the Christian faith down. As such the current multiculturalism, oddly enough, serves the ends of both the Mooselimbs and the Bagels while at the same time keeping the Christian dhimmis down. Also, one has to take into consideration that the cultural gatekeepers who keep Christians in dhimmitude status understand that Biblical Christianity alone has the ability to completely throw off the shackles of dhimmitude. As such any biblical Christian who rises to challenge his or her dhimmitude status is going to be met with all the fury that multicultural gatekeepers can find.

Now, earlier I mentioned Talmudism, Zionism, and Islam as the enforcers of Multiculturalism. We should also include among these three Christian Zionism and Christian Marxism. Right now, one of the greatest enforcers of keeping us in dhimmitude is the conservative Christian denominations. They have reinterpreted Christianity through the lens of dhimmitude and have yielded up a form of Christianity that is compliant with multicultural dhimmitude. That this is the case is seen by the repeated statements put out by the “conservative” denominations over the past decade or so. Just this last summer it was done again by the PCA, ARP, and RPCNA. However, in doing so, they merely are keeping lockstep with previous statements by previous denominations. Such behavior is reflective of the fact that they themselves understand their own dhimmi status and it is reflective of the fact that they want to be enforcers of multicultural dhimmitude along with the Talmudists, Zionists, and Islamists.

We see the modern Reformed church filling this role at every turn. Within the next month, for example, the Reformed church will seek to discipline Rev. Sam Ketcham for daring to rise up to throw off multicultural dhimmitude. Rev. Ketcham is not facing the death penalty as violators of dhimmitude in Islamic countries might if they had been caught violating Islam. Instead Rev. Ketcham faces being defrocked by the ministers of dhimmi in the Reformed church. Such is the way that all those who refuse their dhimmi status are to be treated.

One has to understand that the maintenance of this totalistic religion of multiculturalism has to be maintained at all cost. If the cost is a man’s reputation and good name that is a cost that must and will be paid. If the cost to maintain complete tolerance as required by multiculturalism is the intolerant religions of Islam, Talmudism, and Zionism being set free to build Mosques, to implement Sharia law, to continue to give a pass to the ruinous presence of AIPAC, the ADL, and the SPLC, then that cost will be paid. Multiculturalism requires it and Biblical Christians will learn their dhimmi status or else.

It ought to be clear then from the above that the institutional conservative evangelical/Reformed Church in the West is no longer the friend of Biblical Christians. These denominations and clergy are themselves high Priests of multiculturalism and enforcers of WOKE. That was pretty clear at the recent AMFEST where the great high priest of multiculturalism for Christians, Doug Wilson, stepped forward to speak to the necessity to remain tolerant of Zionist conspiracies.

This is where we are at in this moment. We either return to Biblical Christianity with its proper intolerance for antiChrist religions or we continue to live as dhimmis in the service of the state religion of multiculturalism. There is only one cure for where we are at right now and that cure is courage. People have to resolve that they are no longer going to live as dhimmis under the reign of multiculturalism with its tolerance for every religion under the sun except for a muscular Biblical Christianity. People have to resolve to bear any burden and to pay any price to be delivered from this antiChrist totalitarianism that we are currently living under as dhimmis.

 “This sentiment (that Martin Luther would be excommunicated if he were alive today, which I’ve seen elsewhere) seems to suggest that we should not expect greater maturity over time and history. Many of the great heroes of the faith were immature in theology or morals because the Holy Spirit has been sanctifying the church over history. If a grown man continues to act like an 8 year old boy, that is a problem, don’t you think? But thank God for growth in holiness. I think it’s likely that Luther would not be excommunicated today because if he lived today he would have the benefit of the sanctification of the last 500 years. Cheers!”

Toby  Sumpter
Doug Wilson Lieutenant
Author of Blog — No Legs Still Walking

1.) Toby wants us to believe that the Church today is more mature than the Reformation Church of Martin Luther. That sentiment is to boggle the mind. Keep in mind also that Toby is saying here that not only is the Church today more mature than the Reformation Church of Martin Luther but old Toby is also saying that the Church today is more mature on this subject than the Christian Church has been for 2000 years. Luther’s position on this subject was the same as Chrysostom’s, the same as Augustine’s, the same as Calvin’s, the same as Origin’s, the same as St. Jerome’s, the same as Justin Martyr. If one scans the two books “Who is My Neighbor,” as well as Alexander Storen’s “A Survey of Racialism in Christian Sacred Tradition” one begins to see that Luther’s view on the subject at hand is a view that has been held by the Church in all times and in all places until the post-war consensus. One also has to consider all the Church councils that took place in Church history dealing with the Bagel problem. Old Toby would be wise to try and find a copy of Maurice Pinay’s “The Plot Against The Church,” and give it a read.

2.) Old Toby refuses to consider his other option on this matter. His other option is that Old Toby and his Federal Vision compatriots are the ones who are immature. It is possible that it is the Church today and not the Christian church throughout history that is in error regarding the Bagels.

3.) The idea that Martin Luther would, were he alive today, be a more mature man on the issue of the Bagels leaves one either incredulous or leaves one doubled over in laughter. Keep in mind that Luther only came to his conclusions regarding the Bagels after having great hopes for their conversion. It was only after seeing that they would not come into the Church that Luther wrote the book he wrote.

I would also recommend that Old Toby get a copy of E. Michael Jones’ “The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit,” and give it a read.

Addendum;

This is a note left in the comments from Ron that I thought should be added here;

Note to Toby:

“When Luther departed for Worms, his friends warned him that he may lose his life and even the cause of the evangelism will be lost. To this Luther replied, “It is unimportant what happens to Dr. Martin, and I suppose it is possible that I may not be able to save the cause of evangelism, but the point is that the truth be heard.” It is equally inconsequential what happens to each of us personally … but rather that the truth be spoken in our time as well.” pp. 149-50.

Elias Simojoki, ‘The Burning Bush’, trans. Jarno Alander

Hardly sounds to me like a man that needs to grow up to your level of holiness.

Cheers!