Ask The Pastor — Can You Clarify The Military Issue For Me

Even more than opposing Christians sending their children to government schools, opposing Christians signing up for military service is a position that will earn one a great amount of hostility. Even after explaining that by getting in bed with the military one is in league with those who desire to implement either a national socialist Marxist vision of Empire America upon the world (Republican) or a international socialist Marxist vision on America (Democrat)people begin to bend down to pick up the nearest large rock they can find in order to stone the person making the case.

I think that people react with such hostility is because this is an issue that forces one to choose if they are Christian first or American first, and that typically isn’t a choice that grass root American Christians have had to make in such a overt manner. I have personally seen this hostility by being kicked off a members only website called “Calvie Compatriots” that was limited to Reformed people who were pretty sound on their theology. My wife and I had been members for years but when I started questioning the wisdom of serving in the US military I was instantly booted. Similarly, I have been shunned by local people and even “told off” by one lady who knew my position.

I understand that people who sign up have the best intentions. I believe that such people have great zeal, courage, and integrity. I know great sacrifices are made. Having said that Scripture warns us about a zeal that is not according to knowledge. Likewise, courage can be had even in a wrong cause. The quality of a sacrifice is only as good as its objective content and not its subjective intent. My position isn’t that signing up for the military makes one a bad person. My position is that Christians in the military or who are contemplating joining the military haven’t thought things through. They haven’t thought through questions like,

What ideological agenda am I supporting by serving in the US military?

Is that ideological agenda consistent with my Christian theology?

Does my service in the military, with its support of the US government stand in any relation to the fact that America kills 1.3 million babies annually?

Does my service in the military, with its support of the US government, stand in any relation to the US governments attempt to destroy America by forcing upon it a multi-cultural globalistic agenda?

Anyway, this introduction provides a context for a set of questions somebody sent me on my previous post on Military service.

Neal Sam wrote,

Please clarify for me some things. I am currently in the military and am struggling with this same question. I am searching and praying that God would show me the answer to this controversial question (which is obvious by the previous posts). My heart is truly to do his will and until recently I felt that I was in Gods will. I am not saying that I am not in his will now its just that this question is argued in both directions very well and I would like someone elses opinion on this matter.

These are some verses and views that I have. Please tell me your opinion of these views. (Without ripping it apart)

From what I have gathered over my time in the military that there are mixed feelings about whether a Christian should serve in the military. Some people believe that Christians shouldn’t be in the military because you are carrying out the orders of a nation whose views are not biblically based. Also that God commands us not to kill (murder).

Thank you for your questions Neal. I will try to answer them w/o “ripping them or you apart.”

First, it needs to be made clear that the whole notion that Christians should be pacifists is anabaptist and as such not warranted. Scripture teaches that the magistrate is to wield the sword and if the sword is to be wielded it ought to be by a Christian magistrate who exercises it in justice according to God’s standards. There is nothing inherently unbiblical about being a soldier anymore there is anything inherently unbiblical in being a teacher. The only time issues arise for Christians are when they are a soldier enforcing unjust laws or when they are a teacher teaching things that aren’t true. So, I am not advocating pacifism in the least and indeed I am quite opposed to pacifistic theology.

Second, God’s command to not murder is qualified by God’s command that justice be exercised. God’s word proscribes when the sword is to be used in capital crimes and a long Christian tradition of “just war theory” speaks to when and how the sword is to be used in defense or in international affairs.

“I believe God can use anyone anywhere at anytime.”

This is absolutely true but all because God can use anyone anywhere at anytime that doesn’t mean that we volunteer to be on death row in order to be used there or that we voluntarily sign up to manage a bordello or a crack-house so we can be used there or that we volunteer to go into a military that is being run by anti-Christs in order to be used there.

Romans 13:1 “Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.” Proverbs 21:1 “The king’s heart is in the hand of the LORD, he directs it like a watercourse wherever he pleases.” If God is directing the king and I am to obey the authorities placed above me then how can I not be used for his will as a SF soldier? Psalms 144:1 “Praise be to the Lord my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle.”

The truth of God’s sovereignty must never be used in order to escape our responsibility. Scripture teaches that our responsibility is to hate that which is evil and to cling that which is good. Scripture warns consistently to avoid evil doers and the US government, with its Marxist inclination is one of the biggest evil doers going. (See Proverbs 1:8-19, 4:14-17).

As it relates to “obeying authorities” we must keep in mind that, in the words of Rev. James R. Wilson that “God has not ordained ‘the powers that be’ to punish evil, and then neither defined the evil, nor settled the punishment.” Obedience to authority is never absolute. Only authority to God is absolute. We can not escape our responsibility for doing evil all because it was at the bidding of our “authority.”

Neal, are you familiar that one of the mottoes of the American Revolution was “obedience to tyrants is disobedience to God?”

Finally, as it pertains to obedience we are responsible to God’s revealed Word and not to His eternal unknown decrees. It is true that Joesph Stalin was God’s judgment appointment against Russia but that didn’t mean that Christians shouldn’t have resisted Stalin when it was wise to do so.

“I have always had a heart for the helpless and the weak. God has called people to help the weak and the oppressed. Some people do that by being a missionary and spreading the gospel. I feel I am called to help those people that missionaries may not be able to reach. I am using the Army as a means of doing that.”

I am not going to call into question that you do indeed help the helpless and the weak. No doubt there are times when your calling as a solider allows you to do that. I am arguing when seen from the macro scale the US military in support of the US government is doing much more harm than good, though I don’t doubt there are times when on a micro scale good is done.

The motto for the Special Forces is “De Oppresso Liber”, which means To Liberate the Oppressed. Psalms 82:3-4 say “Defend the cause of the weak and fatherless, maintain the rights of the poor and oppressed. Rescue the weak and needy, deliver them from the hand of the wicked.” God has called us to help out our neighbors to defend the helpless. SF soldier and all members of the military risk their lives to protect the rights of those who are being oppressed by rulers of other nations. They do this so that everyone may have freedom. I see this as being honoring to God.”

Let’s continue to look at things from a Macro scale Neal. No doubt during WW II the US military liberated many oppressed. Yet, despite that the end result was to put millions and millions of people under the oppression and darkness of the Iron curtain of communism. Some have even contended that in 300 years the only thing WW II will be remembered for is that it turned Communism into a international power. Under that Iron curtain millions and millions of people were killed by their governments. Were more people oppressed as a result of US policy that both created Communist Russia (WWI) and turned it into a international power (WWII) than were liberated and freed?

So, again, I’m willing to concede that on a micro scale much good is done and oppressed people are liberated but on a macro scale often even more are put into bondage.

Another question I would ask is, “Who will liberate the oppressed unborn millions who will die in abortuaries throughout America?” Where are those liberators?

“I once heard a story from a friend of mine who served with me in Iraq. I’m know he got it from somewhere and I’m not sure where but I remember it quite well. The story went something like this. There are three types of people. Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs. Sheep are people who have no capacity for violence but are a healthy productive citizen. Wolves are people who have a capacity for violence and no empathy for their fellow citizens. The wolves feed on the sheep without mercy. Then there are sheepdogs. Sheepdogs are people who have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for their fellow citizens. The sheepdog is a warrior and a hero. The sheep think the sheepdog is weird because he is always sniffing the ground, barking at things that he hears, and wanting the righteous battle. The sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is constantly reminding the sheep that there are wolves in the land. They gripe and complain about the sheepdog when he keeps them from going astray. The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go baa. Until the wolf shows up, then the entire flock is looking for the sheepdog and trying desperately to hide behind the one lonely sheepdog. The difference between the sheep and the sheepdog is this. The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day. I believe that I am a sheepdog and I will do whatever it takes to protect the sheep and help the Sheppard.

Please shed some light on this dilemma I am facing.”

Neal, I am the Sheepdog and Christians who are annoyed with me, including some US military personnel are the Sheep. I’m howling out danger and Christians are telling me to shut up and are annoyed with me. Quite w/o a weapon I am crying out the danger of Christians lending their strength to empower a pagan state and its agenda. Apart from camouflage I am standing up and howling out that the US government is seeking to rebuild the Tower of Babel. Without hand to hand combat training I am barring my teeth at a US government that would enslave us all by its Marxist policies.

You want to be a Sheepdog? Try going on patrol with me.

Author: jetbrane

I am a Pastor of a small Church in Mid-Michigan who delights in my family, my congregation and my calling. I am postmillennial in my eschatology. Paedo-Calvinist Covenantal in my Christianity Reformed in my Soteriology Presuppositional in my apologetics Familialist in my family theology Agrarian in my regional community social order belief Christianity creates culture and so Christendom in my national social order belief Mythic-Poetic / Grammatical Historical in my Hermeneutic Pre-modern, Medieval, & Feudal before Enlightenment, modernity, & postmodern Reconstructionist / Theonomic in my Worldview One part paleo-conservative / one part micro Libertarian in my politics Systematic and Biblical theology need one another but Systematics has pride of place Some of my favorite authors, Augustine, Turretin, Calvin, Tolkien, Chesterton, Nock, Tozer, Dabney, Bavinck, Wodehouse, Rushdoony, Bahnsen, Schaeffer, C. Van Til, H. Van Til, G. H. Clark, C. Dawson, H. Berman, R. Nash, C. G. Singer, R. Kipling, G. North, J. Edwards, S. Foote, F. Hayek, O. Guiness, J. Witte, M. Rothbard, Clyde Wilson, Mencken, Lasch, Postman, Gatto, T. Boston, Thomas Brooks, Terry Brooks, C. Hodge, J. Calhoun, Llyod-Jones, T. Sowell, A. McClaren, M. Muggeridge, C. F. H. Henry, F. Swarz, M. Henry, G. Marten, P. Schaff, T. S. Elliott, K. Van Hoozer, K. Gentry, etc. My passion is to write in such a way that the Lord Christ might be pleased. It is my hope that people will be challenged to reconsider what are considered the givens of the current culture. Your biggest help to me dear reader will be to often remind me that God is Sovereign and that all that is, is because it pleases him.

8 thoughts on “Ask The Pastor — Can You Clarify The Military Issue For Me”

  1. What do you think of joining the military not to serve the Marxist Empire, but to gain critical military skills for when it all comes unglued? Being able to form, train, and lead a small unit could come in handy.

  2. Hammer,

    Yes, the learned skills could come in handy and where else better to learn them but the problem is that in learning the skills one might soon be caught up in the necessity to use them in service of our God State.

  3. Xbars402,

    Thanks for bringing up General Smedley Butler. It was reading Butler that pushed me towards the position I currently embrace. Butler said that “War is a racket,” and came to understand that the US military was used to advance the interests of a elite few.

    This is a teaser from Butler,

    “A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small “inside” group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.

  4. Brother Bret,

    I am grateful to see another courageous post on this thorny issue. I agree with you whole-heartedly. I am first a Christian, then my ethnic/family ties come in second, and my country that I live come in third.

    I have to say that not all of the people who sign up to military service have the best intentions. Many individuals sign up because they want to have extra government money for college and have a government retirement check. Some folks are clueless about their personal calling in life so they try the military to visit different parts of the world (the Phillipines and Germany are the top favorites) paid by the stupid American taxpayer. Military people also get many other benefits like free medical care. A close friend of mine, from high school, joined the Navy because his father was kicking him out of the house immediately after his graduation. My friend wanted his father to support him in his persuit of college education and finding a decent job. But his father refused. My friend saw the military as an easy escape from the complications of civilian life.

    Christ-hating America is not worthy of Christian blood.

  5. As a veteran as well. One thing you have to keep in mind and somthing that needs to be pointed out to all current military members especially Christians. Every enlisted and commissioned officer in all three branches make a vow to defend and uphold the constituion of the United States against all enemies both foreign and domestic, and to hold allegiance to the same. Its this first part of the vow that no one takes seriously in the military or in government anymore. Real Christian leaderhsip in the military and in Washington with real accountability from the States to follow the constitution is the solution. I’m not sure ignoring the military is best thing however one must realize they may not be successful given the political correctness climate in most commands.

    God Bless,

    Kenneth

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