“R2K is a name given by the reconstructionist of the tradition. I hold classical confessional Reformed theology. So, “yes,” I would agree with David Van Drunen because he agrees with the tradition which agrees with classical theism and classical Christ and culture distinctions. Theonomists of all stripes, Wilsonites, and their ilk with their FV, paedocommunion, Kinism, antebellum flavoring are all un-confessional. Just follow the confessions and you will be safe. Don’t follow men. Follow the Reformed Church. Our church basically opposes all things CREC.”
Rocky Mountain States
1.) R2K is a name given by people who are orthodox in their theology unlike this chap and all R2K fan boys.
2.) David Van Drunen is at the very least heterodox and for my money is a heretic. He most certainly does not agree with classical confessional theology and neither does he rightly navigate Christ and culture distinctions.
3.) Wilsonites are Kinists? LOL … Someone tell Doug Wilson he is being accused of being a kinist. This accusation alone proves that this clergy is an absolute dolt. Everybody in the world except this guy knows that Wilson hates him some kinists. So, if the Pastor Chowderhead is so incredibly wrong about Wilson on this score how much more is he wrong on anything else he says?
4.) Not all theonomists are Federal Visionists which has been demonstrated repeatedly with well known theonomists even writing books condemning Federal Vision. This is Pastor Numbchucks going all red herring.
5.) Just follow the confessions and you will be theonomist and kinist. See Martin Foulner’s little book, “Theonmy and the Westminster Confession.”
6.) Follow the Reformed Church?
You mean the one which can’t discipline pastors who shout before God and men that they are attracted to other men (PCA)? You mean the one which is sore afraid of the charge of “racism” that they condemn it in their General Assembly before even finding out the facts as to whether or not wild accusations of racist behavior were true (OPC)? You mean the one which supports R2K hand over fist (URC)? Which Reformed Church are we to be following?
7.) I also oppose many things CREC but if one opposes all things CREC then one must even oppose where the CREC gets matters correct (like manfully opposing R2K).
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“2K is classical. It’s the two swords doctrine of the medieval ages. Luther is the one who started calling it 2 K. Calvin calls it the twofold kingdom. Hardly enlightenment. It sounds like the guy in Michigan is confused. Probably enjoys informal fallacies. You can take or leave us. We will not budge. We hold tightly to the confessions. Read Calvin’s Institutes, read Luther, DVD or any of the scholastic reformers.”
Pastor Twonk
URC Clergy
Pastor Twonk can say this with a straight face despite the fact that it’s pretty clear that what Calvin meant by “2K” is not the same as what Westmin-Cal. or David Van Drunen hold as R2K fanboys.
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The idea that historic 2K and R2K are the same creature is just stupid on steroids. Imagine, if you will, a Muslim not wanting an Islamic nation, or an atheist not wanting a secular nation, or a Jew not wanting a Jewish world.
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It’s asinine for a Christian to not want a Christian nation. And it’s even more asinine for Reformed Christians like Pastor Twonk to say they they hold to the historic Reformed position and claim Calvin on their side when Calvin’s Geneva was literally the model of theocracy that Reformed Christians sought to model.
It’s as clear as sunrise over Lake Michigan on a cloudless day that what John Calvin meant by “2K” is not the same as R2K. For this clergy member to claim that R2K is historic Confessional Calvinism is like saying that Miley Cyrus is an example of someone graduating from a fine finishing school.
