Dear Pastor Bret,
I don’t understand how and why you get so hot and bothered about some of the issues concerning which you seem to get hot and bothered.
Here you say (correctly, I think), that “Of course that message is ‘not white, black, green or blue.’” On the other hand, you then go on to say, “The question at hand is, ‘which kin group . . . has been . . . serving as the bulwark against moral insanity in America?’” And, for some reason, you seem intent on defining the “kin” in racial/racist terms: “[W]hether Dr. White wants to admit it or not, the answer to that is the White Anglo Saxon Christian people.” Really? “‘[T]he‘ White Anglo Saxon Christian people”? This “people”?
No non-White Anglo Saxon Christians (in other words, only White Anglo Saxons) have been opposing moral insanity in America? And, somehow, it is the White Anglo Saxons’ “peoplehood”–you know, their being White and Anglo Saxon–that fitted and enabled them, somehow, uniquely, to stand up for their high standards? It is their kinship in racial and ethnic identity that leads to such moral righteousness? And we ought to recognize this kinship–and make sure to exclude righteous brothers and sisters in Christ–brothers and sisters of other racial or ethnic backgrounds–from honor for their courageous stands?
I am concerned that you are confusing certain realities to the detriment both of the morally confused White Anglo Saxons who may claim to know the Saviro but really don’t . . . as well as to the detriment of our Christian brothers and sisters of other racial and ethnic heritages who find your (seriously confused) declarations deeply offensive.
John Holzman
Pastor Bret responds,
Friend John Holzmann,
I don’t know how you or any Biblical Christian can not get hot and bothered by the things I get so hot and bothered about. So, I guess we are even on that score.
I don’t define the current contest in solely racial terms because I clearly offer, in the piece you are complaining about, that it is White Anglo Saxon CHRISTIANS who are the bulwark and not merely White people. White non Christians (normies) are clearly contributing to the moral insanity.
I don’t define the current battle in solely racial terms because I’m not “defining” anything. I am merely noticing the facts. All one as to do to find those facts John is to look at the minority groups, group by group, to see the percentages by which they vote for the party of moral insanity (DEMS). (Though just to be fair, I thoroughly despise Republicans as well, but at least they work at fooling the White Anglo Saxon Christian.)
I am defining the current battle primarily in racial-theological terms because that is the indisputable reality. Now, when something is defined primarily or generally it doesn’t mean “universally.” I never said that there weren’t minority people who weren’t in the fight with the White Anglo Saxon Christian (WASC), I merely agreed with Stephen Wolfe that WASCs are the serving as a defense or safeguard (bulwark) against moral insanity.
Here is Wolfe’s statement again in case you missed it.
“White evangelicals (as a group) are the lone bulwark against moral insanity in America…. It is simply true that white evangelicals, as a group, have been essential to the success of the GOP and conservative causes, and they remain the most reliable voters for those opposing woke and trangenderism…. “Lone bulwark” means that the absence of the white evangelical bloc would torpedo us into moral insanity. There is no other group (that I’m aware of) whose absence would cause this.” Stephen Wolfe
The point here John is that were one to take WASC’s out of our societal mix the culture would go belly up. This is indisputably true and it no insult to Christians who are not white unless one is dallying with being WOKE. Are you dallying with being WOKE John?
And I clearly said in my piece that WASCs were not made of better dirt. Did you skim the piece or read it John? I wrote in the piece:
The question at hand is, “which kin group, as completely in God’s providence and grace, quite apart from any idea that they are made of anything but dirt, has been that kin group who are serving as the bulwark against moral insanity in America?” And whether Dr. White wants to admit it or not, the answer to that is the White Anglo Saxon Christian people.
Please forgive me Rev. Dr. White (and now John Holzmann) for committing the sin of noticing.
Nobody is excluding anybody here. Why some of my best friends are minority Christians. (That’s a throwback to the 60s joke though I’ll doubt you will get it).
You have completely misread my piece John and it has been my long experience that people who do that still are infected with cultural Marxist categories. I have said nothing (nor has Wolfe) that is pejorative to minority Christians. One can only come to that errant conclusion if one is reading what I am saying with colored glasses on (pun only slightly intended).
Wolfe’s OP and my agreement has not only been demonstrated statistically but also taken for granted by people who hate white evangelicals. It’s even in the front page of books their books!
See Kristen Kobes DuMez’s book, “Jesus & John Wayne.”
So, in the end I am confusing nothing John. If anybody finds anything I write offensive on this post than it is because they are taking offense, and not because I am giving offense. If I don’t say these things in this climate I will definitely be offending my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Just ask my minority friends who share a Christian worldview. 😉
John… give this a read. It might help
http://www.thedailygenevan.com/blog/2022/11/17/naturalvsnonnatural
And view this to see the danger WASCs are in
https://odysee.com/@Counterpoints:5/the-truth-about-the-great-replacement:d1
Might I suggest, as least offensively as I can being that I am one of those current dregs of our enwokened culture a (gasp) WASC, that John find himself a class in remedial reading.
Oh golly look! I wore offensively instead of inoffensively. Sorry. But I suppose a WASC is prone to such Freudian slips.
And spelling errors. I hate iPhone spell correct.
By the way, Jon Harris just had Wolfe on his show tonight and actually gave him some props…Wolfe wrecked White’s argument…
In addition to “Jesus & John Wayne”, there is this book https://www.amazon.com/Taking-America-Back-God-Nationalism/dp/0197652573/ using science to understand Christian Nationalism. It finds that it’s a separate phenomenon from Christian and White Evangelicals make up a super-majority.
The following https://www.amazon.com/Flag-Cross-Christian-Nationalism-Democracy/dp/0197618685 then sets out to assert this phenomenon is WHITE Christian nationalism, and proceeds to demonize its ethnic strategy (Manifest Destiny), and then how to deal with the threat (i.e. getting the leadership to ethnically betray its base. Beth Moore/Russel Moore/Tim Keller)
https://www.unz.com/article/southern-nationalism-and-white-nationalism/