“Mocking and slander is not a Christian way of dealing with anything.”
Mocking is lawful:……”Puritan Presbyterian Thomas Hall destroys the modern tone police:
“IRONIA: ironic, taunting speeches may lawfully be used, as occasion serves.
(1) God himself used them in Genesis 3:22. “The man is become as one of us” – as one of the Trinity, whereby God declares his great disdain of their affectation of an impossible preeminence in being like to God, which is to say:
“By his sin he is become most unlike to us. See how well Satan hath performed his promise to man, is not he become like one of us? And hath not he gained a goodly measure of knowledge, both of good and evil?”
(2) So Judges 10:14. “Go, cry to the gods which ye have chosen.”
It is an ironic upbraiding them for their idolatry, which they found so comfortless, in their greatest need, their idols being no way able to deliver them.
So in Isaiah 14:4, 8-9, God himself teaches his people to deride the proud King of Babylon.
(3) Christ used it in Matthew 26:45: “sleep on,” which is to say: “Go to now, sleep on, take your rest if ye can, behold a perilous time is at hand, wherein ye shall have little list or leisure to sleep.”
(3) Elijah used it to the worshippers of Baal in 1 Kings 18:27. He mocks them, and bids them cry aloud to their drowsy or busy god, peradventure their Baal was asleep, or in a journey, etc.
(4) So Micaiah bids Ahab “go up and prosper,” which is to say: “go up and perish,” 1 Kings 22.15.
(5) So Job (17:2) taunts at his false friends, in an ironic expression: “No doubt but ye are the people, and wisdom shall die with you, which is to say:
“In your own conceit, there are no men in the world but you. No doubt but reason hath left us, and is given wholly unto you; yea wisdom is so tied to your persons, that her conservation and mine depends on yours.”
(6) So Amos 4:4-5: “Come to Bethel, and transgress at Gilgal, multiply transgressions,” etc., which is to say:
“Since by no means ye will be reclaimed, but are desperately set on sin; go on, and fill up the measure of your sin.”
(7) Thus Solomon, without any breach of charity, or stain of holiness, checks the young man’s folly [by saying in] Ecclesiastes 11:9: “Rejoice O young man, etc. but know,” etc.
By an ironic concession, he bids him rejoice and take his pleasure, etc., and then marries all with a stinging but, in the end.
(8) So Paul with a holy scoff, derides the Corinthians in 1 Corinthians 4.8, 10: “ye are full, ye are rich, you reign as kings,” etc. “we are fools, ye are wise,” etc. “we are nothing, you are all.” Etc.
[“Ironica est concessio, exprimens Corinthiorum de seipsis corruptam opinionem.” Aretius.]”
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Where do those “in the Moscow Mood” slander? Mock, yes. Slander, no. Unless Duncan can back up his statement with receipts, he becomes guilty of…. slander. Moreover, characterizing Theonomy [God’s Law] as “like a zombie” is dangerously close to slandering God Himself. At least Gamaliel had the sense to stand back and apply the test of time “lest haply they be found even to fight against God”.
Ligon would have more credibility if he didn’t mock so much. For example, in an interview clip of him on Jon Harris, Ligon mocked people calling him part of Big Eva. He said TGC has less money than its critics.
By avoiding the substance of the issue for a mocking, he demonstrated his lack of fitness for being a leader.
He should have said, “Yes, I have a daily temptation to fight because of my powerful position in Big Eva. It’s a temptation for pride and cowardice. The temptation is presented as love and acceptance from the secular educated elite and the more calm, measured, and “less holy/more separated” from you rabble I become, the more monied people love me. Please pray for me.”