J. D. Hall Wrote,
Bret responds,
If these binary concepts are not relevant it is testimony that people they are not relevant to are not wise.
The binary concepts remain relevant because true conservatives have always desired to dismantle the Leviathan beast. The fact that RFK Jr. or Tulsi Gabbard are being inconsistent with their stated Liberal beliefs only serves the agenda of the “Old Right.”
Secondly, people like RFK Jr. and Gabbard need to be watched closely because their leftist inclinations will eventually resurface and when that happens it will be the Old Right that has to put them down.
J. D. Hall writes,
Bret responds,
The thing here is though that if one is to honestly assess this one would have to conclude that “Establishment” has always been the position of the left, even when those on the left were calling themselves “conservative” and “Dissident” has always been the position of the genuine conservatives. Ever since I was old enough to vote, being conservative, I have been in favor of eviscerating the Establishment. This has always been the position of true conservatives.
So, it really is not a post-partisan world. It is rather merely that the lines between the partisans has now been more clearly drawn.
J. D. Hall writes,
We are not trying to save our institutions. We are not trying to reform our institutions. We have tried this, and failed; we are, instead, trying to dismantle them.
Bret responds,
Most of the people I run with gave up on trying to save our Institutions when it was clear in 1980 that Ronald Reagan wasn’t really serious.
But note… we are not anarchists. One can not tear down without at the same time building up. It is true that we are trying to dismantle but in the dismantling we have a vision of what the new institutions might look like. And we are doubtful that Trump is going to be the chap who leads us to that proper dismantling and rebuilding.
J. D. Hall writes,
MAGA recognizes that that there has become a Uniparty, supported by a sea of bureaucrats, in a system designed to suck the souls of men. We are tired of choosing between Eurasia and Eastasia, Republicans or Democrats, liberals or conservatives, in a system designed only to perpetuate an Establishment that persists in perpetual power regardless of nomenclatures of “left” or “right.”
Bret responds,
The problem was never w/ the nomenclature. The problem was with the fact that conservatives were never really conservative. However, there has always existed genuine conservatives who wanted to see the Federal Government chained down with the chains of the Constitution — as Jefferson noted 200 years ago.
J. D. Hall writes,
The system has become a cheap facade, to give the multitudes only a counterfeit feeling that our support for one or the other makes any difference at all. Both sides are Controlled Opposition for a permanent Federal power base that is fully non-idealist, consisting of professional politicians and unelected civil overlords.
Bret responds,
I completely agree with this.
J. D. Hall writes,
Trump’s picks are picked, based not upon their towing of a party line, but because they tow no line at all. They’re not chosen to apply makeup to the pig, but to butcher it.
Bret responds,
It is not possible to tow no line at all. Impossible. If they butcher the pig they have a different pig they want to ensconce. Is anybody even now really talking about devolving real power back to the States?
J. D. Hall writes,
Americans no longer want to tame Leviathan. We want to kill it. It is not the time to build up. It is time to tear down.
Bret responds
I am not sure it is true that Americans no longer want to tame Leviathan. We will only know that is true when Americans demand the end of things like the Great Society, Standing Armies, and a return to hard money. Until then, I’ll place my bets on the fact that Americans still envision taming Leviathan.
This is sort of off-topic, but I’ve been listening alot to the Ogeden fellows out in Utah, Brian, Dan, Eric etc. And I think they essentially agree with you on properly ordered loves being God > Wife > Family/Church > Extended Family > Kin. They routinely mention loving your own people first as right, grace restoring nature and not destroying it, keeping our distinctions, how the “melting pot” agenda is ultimately anti God and anti-his creation. Although they are not as direct or explicit in their rhetoric they have definitely brought these things into mainstream light (for which they receive much vitriol from the Douglas Wilsons of the reformed camp) all that to say you seem to have some allies in this fight.
In Christ, a brother from Texas.
Ask the Ogden chaps if a nation in order to be a nation must be populated in a significant majority by those who descend from a common ancestor.
Ask them if culture is the result of theology poured over ethnicity.
Get back to me with their answers.
Thank you for writing my Brother from Texas. I love the Texans I’ve met in life.
What the American people want is irrelevant. Even their desires, unbeknownst to them, are being shaped and channeled. Unassimilable dissidents will be broken or eliminated. The protocols distinctly declare that it is by means of sets of ideas which cluster around “democracy” that the first real victory over public opinion was obtained.
Yeah … a real dissident would have to be someone who wants to get rid of Democracy and the Enlightenment driven classical liberal order.
And how many of those types are around?