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The Continuing Mystery Surrounding J. C. Ryles Quotes & Contradictory AI Testimony
One of my valued friends from Tennessee has continue to search out information on the J. C. Ryles quote on the issue of race. It seems now that AI is giving us decidedly mixed signals to the point of being in contradiction. Below is my friends report on whether or not those quotes exist in J. C. Ryle.
I’ve continued the search in original scanned archived materials found online from reliable sources (e.g. Library of Congress, etc. ) and the quote is not to be found in Matthew or Luke.
I asked ChatGPT about it. The reply,
“Upon a search of Ryle’s archived volumes on Expository Thoughts, I cannot find this attributed quote,
“Let us beware of giving way to the modern notion that there is no such thing as God’s providential arrangement of the nations, and that the present attempt to amalgamate all nationalities and races, and to denationalise and unchurch people, is wise and politic. God has divided the world into separate nationalities, climates, languages, and churches, and it is the height of mischief to try and break down the divisions.”
Here’s what I was able to verify about that quotation and its attribution to Expository Thoughts on the Gospels by J. C. Ryle:
*1. The quotation you cited does not appear in the standard text of Ryle’s Expository Thoughts on the Gospels
Authoritative digital editions and searchable versions of Ryle’s Expository Thoughts on Matthew (and the other Gospels) do not include the lines you quoted. Ryle’s commentary on Matthew 24 is available in public-domain editions, and there’s no trace of the specific passage about “amalgamating nationalities and races” in those texts.
2. What Ryle did write about nations and races (19th-century context)
A blog post discussing Ryle (with commentary, not a direct source text) quotes a passage from Ryle’s commentary on Matthew 24 that reflects a 19th-century evangelical observation about the diversity of nations, languages, and races being a providential fact. The blog then extends that into the longer passage you’ve seen circulating online. However:
That extended passage appears to be secondary or interpretive wording, not directly from Ryle’s original published volumes.
The post explicitly acknowledges it is making inferences and its own interpretation of Ryle’s position.
3. Why your search of Expository Thoughts likely didn’t find it;
The version of Ryle’s commentary that’s in the public domain and reproduced on sites like StudyLight and Monergism is a faithful transcription of his published work. Since the exact wording you quoted does not appear in those editions, it’s likely misattributed or paraphrased by later writers.
4. Summary
There is no reliable evidence in the original Expository Thoughts that Ryle wrote the quote exactly as you’ve given it.
The related idea (that God has providentially divided humanity into nations, races, languages) may reflect Ryle’s commentary on Matthew 24, but the extended warning about amalgamation and denationalisation appears in secondary online sources rather than in the original text.
If you’d like, I can help you locate the exact wording Ryle did use in his Matthew 24 commentary (with a direct quotation and link to the public-domain text). Just let me know!”
So, today ChatGPT contradicts what I posted from it yesterday. Another AI hallucination. I’ll keep searching but it appears that the quote is not properly attributable to JC Ryle.
Tennessee Doc
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Now I would still like to see what Ryle said that found someone concluding that Ryle’s words have the implication that someone saw in them concerning amalgamation.
Bits of Conversation With Rev. Joseph Spurgeon
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Well, at least it doesn’t sound like love to me
You would aid them if you happened upon them unconscious and beaten up on the side of the road. In that case you would take them to a ICE hospital where they could be stitched back together and then extradited back home. However, if you wouldn’t invite Ted Bundy or Charlie Manson to have tea and crumpets with your house as with your wife and children the principle is established that one treats criminals different than they would the Stewarts who have lived across the street for 20 years as your neighbor.
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I close with a quote from a friend of mine, Dr. Jaime Castillo, a Filipino;
The Clarity Of Doug Wilson …. NOT
Mudflaps, Talmud-flaps, Flaps About The Talmud In this column Doug Wilson writes an article fueled with outrage complaining about people who write things who are filled with outrage.
The Conversation On The Race Issue Is Buzzing
Causes of Separation in 1973 (PCA separates from PCUS)
- The Socialist, who declares all men are equal. Therefore there must be a great leveling of humanity and oneness of privilege and possession.
- The Racial Amalgamationist, who preaches that the various races should be merged into one race and differences erased in oneness.
- The Communist, who would have one mass of humanity coerced into oneness by a totalitarian state and guided exclusively by Marxist philosophy.
- The Internationalist, who insists on co-existence between all peoples and nations that they be as one regardless of ideology or history.
John Edwards Richards
One of the founders of the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA).
Think about it. Alienism – that which is being pursued by those who hate Kinism – is based on the premise of egalitarianism. That premise whether consciously stated to the individual Alienists in question is; “all men are the same.” However, Egalitarianism cannot arrive at this premise without first consciously or unconsciously embracing other first principles.
Egalitarianism is both birthed by and the result of pulling down God off His throne. It can only be argued, as the Egalitarians argue, that “all men are the same racially” if one is operating from a (usually hidden) premise that God and man are the same. Egalitarianism in one’s theology leads to Egalitarianism in one’s social order thinking … and is reinforced as the conclusion also. In other words, one begins by holding that God and man are the same and then ends with concluding God and man are the same which in turn leads to all men are the same. Said differently, one can’t flatten out their anthropology without first flattening out their theology.
R. J. Rushdoony — “The One And The Many”
Colin Gunton — “The One, The Three, And The Many”
Referring back to Dr. John Edwards Rice, who I quoted above, we explain;
“No human can measure the anguish of personality that goes on within the children of miscegenation… Let those who would erase the racial diversity of God’s creation beware lest the consequence of their evil be visited upon their children.”
John Edwards Richards
One of the founders of the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA)
And again,
“The vast majority of good thinking people prefer to associate with, and intermarry with, people of their respective race; this is part of the God-given inclination to honor and uphold the distinctiveness of separate races. But there are many false prophets of oneness, and many shallow stooges, who seek to force the amalgamation of the races.” ~
Dr. John Edwards Richards