Ethnic considerations

A Simple Definition of Kinism Offered And Defended

“Kinism is the belief that ordained social order for man is tribal & ethnic rather than imperial & universal. Mankind was designed by God to live in extended family groups. Blood ties are the only workable basis for a healthy society not subject to the ideologies of fallen man.”

Joe Sobran

Currently, there is a great deal of angst over Christians embracing Kinism or Kinism adjacent or informed philosophies. Currently, many denominations are absolutely in a roil over “Christian Nationalism.” Other labels by which Kinist thought travels under is “ethno-Nationalism” (a classic tautology) and “race-realism.” What is humorous about the Church denominations denunciation of all things Kinist is that often one finds the denunciation only to be followed by the insistence that there is a need to define Kinism. Clearly, if Kinism, or any of it’s adjacent partners needs to be defined for people how can it first be condemned?

I come across countless Christians who hate Kinism who simply have no idea what it is they hate. Recently, I knew of a particular congregation that found one of its members accusing one of its Elders of being a “Kinist.” When the Elder in question asked his accuser, “What is Kinism,” the accuser said, “I don’t know.” The accuser didn’t know what Kinism was and yet he was accusing his Elder of being a Kinist. How could he accuse someone of being a Kinist without knowing first what a Kinist was?

And so, I offer the above definition from Joe Sobran as a stable and simple working definition of Kinism. If we are going to rail against and rend one another over this idea of Kinism and Kinism informed theories then we should all be able to operate from a common definitional foundation.

I also think it might be helpful to offer a definition of what Kinism is fighting against. Often one can understand somebody in terms of what they are supporting and what they are for if one can understand what they are fighting against and what it is they oppose.

The 2oth century was the century that will be remembered as being that century which saw the rise and then the flourishing of Marxist thought. Marxist and Marxist adjacent thought comes in a host of packaging. Most recently it has been flexing its muscle in terms of Cultural Marxism. Whatever packaging it comes in Marxism has always been that ideology which is the sworn enemy of all forms and shapes of Kinism. If we were to define the aspect of Marxism that is in opposition to Kinism we would define Marxism, in a parallel mirror image of Sobran’s definition of Kinism above as;

“Marxism is the belief that ordained social order for man is imperial & universal rather than tribal & ethnic. As God does not exist, Mankind, per Marxism, was designed by to live disattached from any notion of family groups. Blood ties are barriers to a healthy society as defined by the ideologies of man as god.”

The goal of Marxism has always been the universal Soviet man who has no attachments to anything except the universalizing State. This universalizing necessarily includes the destruction of the kind of tribal and ethnic family dynamic upon which Kinism (and Christianity) is based. So, for epistemologically self conscious Kinist the choice is between a Christianity that teaches the tribal and ethnic familial particularity vs. a Marxist informed “Christianity” that teaches a universalistic idea of family, and by extension global nation.

The Kinist sees in those Christians abominating Kinism an agreement with Marx;

“Even the natural differences within species, like racial differences…, can and must be done away with historically.”

K. Marx’s Collected Works V:103,

As cited in S.F. Bloom’s The World of Nations: A

Study of the National Implications in the Work of Karl Marx, Columbia University Press, New York, 1941, pp. 11 & 15-19:

The Kinist hears in the agenda of any church that would vilify Kinism the echo of Marx’s partner, Friedrich Engels;

“Only when we have led every woman from the home into the workplace will complete equality be achieved, by the destruction of the institution of the family, which is the basis of capitalist society.”

Friedrich Engels,
Origin of the Family, Private Property, and the State

Kinism believes, following Christianity, that the destruction of the institution of the family is accomplished by advocacy for a universalization of marriage that does not respect the tribal and ethnic lines that Sobran speaks of in the above opening paragraph.

If one considers the historical embodiment of Marxism via their Revolutions in places like France, Russia, China one sees a two-fold destructive thrust. What Marxists seek to destroy first is the Christian faith as well as the tribal and ethnic understanding of family – built as it is from categories provided by the Christian faith.

Having explained all this allow me to say that it is my knowledge and so hatred of all forms of Marxism, including Cultural Marxism, that fills me with so much reproach for those who oppose Kinism. Kinism is the Christian elixir that cures the disease of Communism. The fact that so many in the institutional Church are fighting a central plank (Kinism) of the Christian faith in favor (whether they realize it or not) of a central tenet of the Marxist faith leaves me apoplectic.

What the enemies of Kinism have to do in order to relax the tension that has arisen over this issue is provide a social order theory that is an alternative to “tribal and ethnic” that isn’t at the same time Universalist. I don’t think that can be done. I think that one either follows God’s design that arcs towards tribal and ethnic or one follows the Marxist design that arcs towards the destruction of the Christian family in favor of a Universalist (Babel) impulse towards a global nation state social order. When this Kinist looks at this debate he sees either a movement towards cosmopolitan internationalism (the passion of Marxism) or a movement towards “Honoring our Fathers and Mothers.”

John Reasnor’s Definition Of “Kinism” Examined

“Kinism – A system that theologically supports racial or ethnic separatism. The degree of which varying Kinists support separatism or supremacy will vary.”

John Reasnor

Often I will complain that people who condemn Kinism have themselves no working definition of what Kinism is. However, Reasnor here takes a stab at a definition. Let us consider what he offers here.

1.) Keep in mind that the chap who is faulting a theological support for racial and ethnic separatism is a chap who employs theological support for egalitarianism. If one is going to fault a system of thought because it theologically supports racial or ethnic separatism, in any degree, then it must be the case that said person has a theological system that desires no racial or ethnic separatism and the desire for absolutely no racial or ethnic separatism is egalitarianism. Indeed, it is the same exact theological system that was pursued by the builders of Babel.

So, if an Egalitarian like Mr. Reasnor is going to accuse Kinists of not being Egalitarian then, speaking only for myself, I admit my guilt. It is true … not being someone who supports egalitarianism, I am a Kinist. Indeed, by the definition above, anyone who thinks that races are real and so distinct and should be honored as real and distinct is a Kinist. In point of fact by Mr. Reasnor’s definition anybody who is not an egalitarian is ipso facto a “Kinist.”

2.) With this quote Reasnor has put a vast multitude of our Church fathers in the dock as being “Kinist.” Here are four Church Fathers (and their are multitude more) who are guilty of believing “a system that theologically supports racial or ethnic separatism.” and so by Mr. Reasnor’s definition were Kinists when they were alive.

“Hence, I question very much the wisdom of any attempts to ‘integrate’ the church. Making our Negro brethren in Christ welcome when they voluntarily come to worship with us is one thing; seeking to attempt integration for the sake of a witness may do more harm than good.”

Dr. E.J. Young

WTS professor and OPC minister – 1964

Page 130 of the October 1964 edition of The Presbyterian Guardian

Difference of race or condition or sex is indeed taken away by the unity of faith, but it remains imbedded in our mortal interactions, and in the journey of this life the apostles themselves teach that it is to be respected, and they even proposed living in accord with the racial differences between Jews and Greeks as a wholesome rule.

St. Augustine on Galatians 3:28

“Regarding our eternal salvation, it is true that one must not distinguish between man and woman, or between king and a shepherd, or between a German and a Frenchman. Regarding policy, however, we have what St. Paul declares here; for our, Lord Jesus Christ did not come to mix up nature, or to abolish what belongs to the preservation of decency and peace among us….Regarding the kingdom of God (which is spiritual) there is no distinction or difference between man and woman, servant and master, poor and rich, great and small. Nevertheless, there does have to be some order among us, and Jesus Christ did not mean to eliminate it, as some flighty and scatterbrained dreamers [believe].”

John Calvin
Sermon on 1 Corinthians 11:2-3

“Love imagines that it can overleap the barriers of race and blood and religion, and in the enthusiasm and ecstasy of choice these obstacles appear insignificant. But the facts of experience are against such an idea. Mixed marriages are rarely happy. Observation and experiences demonstrate that the marriage of a Gentile and Jew, a Protestant and a Catholic, an American and a Foreigner has less chance of a happy result than a marriage where the man and woman are of the same race and religion….”

Dr. Clarence MacCartney
Presbyterian Minister

Indeed, the definition that Mr. Reasnor gives us above could have been written by a Marxist, as Marxists have been the ones who have denied that there should be any racial or ethnic separatism.

”What will be the attitude of communism to existing nationalities?

The nationalities of the peoples associating themselves in accordance with the principle of community will be compelled to mingle with each other as a result of this association and hereby to dissolve themselves, just as the various estate and class distinctions must disappear through the abolition of their basis, private property.”

~ Frederick Engels in “The Principles of Communism”, 1847

Or we might consult one Nikita Khrushchev on the matter.

“Full-scale Communist construction constitutes a new stage in the development of national relations in the U.S.S.R., in which the nations will draw still closer together until complete unity is achieved…. However, the obliteration of national distinctions and especially of language distinctions is a considerably longer process than the obliteration of class distinctions.”

Nikita Khrushchev

Or perhaps Marx himself,

“Even the natural differences within species, like racial differences…, can and must be done away with historically.”

K. Marx’s Collected Works V:103,

As cited in S.F. Bloom’s The World of Nations: A

Study of the National Implications in the Work of Karl Marx, Columbia University Press, New York, 1941, pp. 11 & 15-19:

So, we do have a definition here from Mr. Reasnor but it is a definition as provided from a Marxist worldview. By Mr. Reasnor’s definition all Christians should be Christian and indeed the only reason that the idea of “Kinism” as a distinct theological discipline has arisen is because the church has adopted a Marxist mindset when it comes to race and social order. Kinism advocates a return to Biblical Christianity as combined with an honoring of our Fathers who were better and wiser men than either myself or Mr. Reasnor.

Doug Wilson & Joe Boot In A Conversation Seek To Condemn The Anti-Egalitarian Right

Doug Wilson – “What is happening with a lot on what I call on the ‘Dank Right’ these days is – which is an over-reaction to the egalitarianism and the globalization / homogenization of all ethnicity on the one hand, people have reacted the other way but what they’re doing is talking about ethnicity all the time like this is the only thing. But the Bible is much more wise than that. Jesus says you can’t be His disciple unless you hate Father, Mother, Wife, Brother, Sister. You’ve got to hate them. Now Matthew says ‘love more than me,’ so that tells you what’s going on there.”

Joe Boot – “There’s also the incident where Jesus is teaching and He’s barely had time to eat and – I love it, I think it’s there in Luke or is it Mark 4, somewhere in there, where they think Jesus has lost His mind and they’re final solution is ‘tell His Mom.’ finally His Mom and Brothers show up and they (the crowd) says ‘Your Mother and Brothers are calling you,’ and He says ‘my Mother, my Sister, my Brother are those who do the will of God.’ That whole idea of the only totalizing concept that the Bible recognizes is that relativizes all other loves is the Kingdom of God.”

Doug Wilson – “And you see , for example, hate Father, Mother, but if you surrender and die – basically if you mortify your earthly loves that way the resurrected, such that a man can love his wife as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for it or Jesus who said ‘Who is my Mother,’ is very solicitous for her from the cross … so it is not like we hate earthly loves. I am very grateful for my earthly loves but the Bible is very clear that only God’s requirements are total and if your beloved tries to entice you to idolatry in the OT, you have not pity. You have to say absolutely not.”

Joe Boot interviews Doug Wilson
Reformcon
“Ordo Amoris & the Gospel’s Answer to Ethnic Animosity.”

Bret responds,

1.) First, let us note that making an idol of your family, tribe, clan, nation or race is possible. Familioltry is a thing. However, can we honestly look at the current incarnation of the West and conclude that famililoltry is a problem? I mean, sure, I am confident that there may be some people out there among the pagan right who are making idols of their family, but let’s be honest and admit that we do not have a widespread problem in the Church today of people making an idol out of their family. On the other hand, to those like Doug Wilson and Joe Boot who seem to be brain dead that there is a very real agenda to snuff out the white man (replacement theory) there is instead the problem of not dealing effectively with the problem of egalitarianism. Like the Israel leadership of old Doug and Joe want to treat the problem of egalitarianism too lightly. The West is clearly in a house that is burning down around us in the flames of egalitarianism and the Boomer-cons want to go on a diatribe about the dangers of familoltry? Do these chaps know what time it is? Do they realize that total percentage of white people to non-white people has dropped precipitously in the past 50 years? Do they realize that globalism and the migration habits of the third world into Western countries is not an accident? Do they understand that by the definition of “genocide” as stated by the UN that white people are currently being genocided? These two Boomers complaining about the presence of familoltry in our current climate is like someone pointing out that a teenager has a zit all the while missing the fact that his leg has been shorn off.

2.) Doug, as a proponent of the effeminate soft left, argues that we on the “Dank Right” have overreacted. Well, that does tend to happen when genocide for white people is on the menu “effeminate Doug.” Sure, some people have probably over-reacted but, again, I would strenuously contend that people like Wilson and Boot (and White and Sandlin and Durbin etc.) are massively under-reacting. They are sleeping while Rome burns. One only has to know somewhat of the history of Rhodesia and South Africa to see where all this is headed across the West. Yet, here we find Joe and Doug screaming … “All is well; Don’t over-react.” Honestly, this lack of urgency by Joe and Doug looks all the world like C. S. Lewis’ Green Witch, in the novel “The Silver Chair” doing all they can to put the awakening Prince back to sleep so he won’t fight against his danger. Who died and left you King, Doug, to decide when complaining about wickedness becomes too much complaining?

3.) Doug then complains that people are talking too much about globalization, and homogenization. This is like complaining that a prisoner on the torture rack is complaining too much about the pain of the torture. Of course we are complaining a great deal Doug. After all, torture doesn’t feel good.

Also, on this score who says when complaining about being vanquished becomes too much complaining? Let’s keep in mind that the egalitarian New World Order is in the saddle and holds the whip hand. Wouldn’t you expect the ones who are being whipped to be complaining a great deal? If we want to throw off the New World Order we have to spend time complaining about the fact that is Satanic and against God’s social order.

4.) I’m sure that the Bible is much wiser than all of us … including you Doug. That’s kind of a Captain Obvious statement.

5.) Keep in mind Doug that when Jesus says that we have to hate our family in comparison to loving the Lord Jesus Christ that kind of language doesn’t work unless there was (is) the expectation that we would indeed love our family. Jesus takes the idea that would be most central in people’s minds (the naturalness of loving one’s family) and says “Love for the Lord Christ must be even above that.” So, Jesus, takes the most central love in creation and puts it in its place; second to love for the Lord Christ. We might say, in light of this teaching, that Jesus is saying Love God first and then love your family. No one on my side of the fence disagrees with this Doug. Nobody on my side of the fence is arguing that we must love our family above God. What we are arguing is that we must love our family above loving the Stranger and the Alien. This is the 5th commandment. This is I Timothy 5:8.

6.) Turning to Boot’s brilliance, we once again offer that we quite agree that love for God relativizes all other loves. However, that does not mean that love for God eliminates the Ordo Amoris. There will be times when love for those who are not family who do the will of God will trump love for family who does not do the will of God. Nobody denies that on my side of the fence. We are merely arguing that normatively we have a responsibility to our Mothers before other women not our Mothers… just as Jesus demonstrated on the Cross.

7.) When you compare the first paragraph from Doug with the last paragraph from Doug it is clear this chap is involved in classic “Double-speak.” He, as he so often does, wants it both ways. He is, once again, fence straddling. Clearly, when any of my family is trying to entice me to idolatry I am going to tell them to “hit the road.” Really, this looks a great deal like a straw-man argument on Wilson’s part.

Now, look, Doug Wilson complains about how much his opponents are talking about race but I could fill a small library with how much this man keeps returning to the race issue in order to gate-keep against the non-egalitarians. In point of fact, I would say that he and his groupies are the ones who can’t shut up about the subject in their attempt to foist a kinder and gentler egalitarianism on us.

From The Mailbag; What Is The End & Purpose of Kinism?

I had a good conversation with my wife yesterday about race, culture, and resisting the loss of distinctions. One of the things that came to my mind afterward is the “to what end?” question. In the USA we obviously have an historic culture that has been watered down over time, and now is under direct attack. What are the immediate and long-term aims/expectations of having the Church in the USA return to her historic positions on race, marriage, and national law?

Dr. Justin Baker
Head – Political Science Department
Androsloccin University

Dear Dr. Baker

Thank you for your correspondence.

Well, speaking only for myself, I would say that a return to her “historic positions on race, marriage, and national law” is only the penultimate concern. The ultimate concern is returning to her historic position on our undoubted catholic Christian faith. If that is what happens then the US historic position on race, marriage, and law take care of themselves. In other words our primary problems as a country is not our aberrant views on race, marriage, and national law but rather our primary problem is that we have rebelled against the God of the Bible and His Christ. It is because of that, that our social order is so twisted. The long term effect thus would be a social order harmony of interests.

My expectation would then be a return to a time where the US is predominantly a White Christian nation (88% of the nation was white when I was a boy). I would be good if we had those numbers again as combined with a return to the protestant non neo-Orthodox Christian faith. This would be glorifying to God.

As to the effect of that, well it would be a return to a stable social order so that white Christians are no longer headed towards a Rhodesia / South Africa existence. If we do not get off the arc we are currently on then we will see the truthfulness of the white replacement theory come to pass.

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https://www.thepoliticalcesspool.org/radio-show-hour-1-2025-05-17/

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