13.) Only Menstruating People Bleed — Alice Cooper
Rethinking Cultural Products of the Past in Light of the New Standards
13.) Only Menstruating People Bleed — Alice Cooper
Truth forever on the scaffold, Wrong forever on the throne, Yet that scaffold sways the future, and, behind the dim unknown, Standeth God within the shadow, keeping watch above his own.
Also, very few are going to embrace “kinism” until it drops the incredibly goofy name, and the goofy principle that animates the goofy name. The word was only invented in a lame attempt to try to convince people that the “kinist” isn’t a racist. Also, it makes you sound like you believe in marrying your cousin or sister. “I’m not a racist – those evil people believe you should marry within your race. I’m a kinist – I believe you should marry within your family!”
BLMc responds,
Webster’s 1828 Dictionary
KIN’DRED, noun [from kin, kind.]
1. Relation by birth; consanguinity.
Like her, of equal kindred to the throne.
2. Relation by marriage; affinity.
3. Relatives by blood or marriage, more properly the former.
Thou shalt go unto my country and to my kindred Genesis 26:1.
4. Relation; suit; connection in kind.
Goofy? On your say so? I think the word “Kinism” works just fine.
Secondly, people needed to be and need to be convinced that Kinists are not racists, because I think it is beyond doubt that racists exist. I mean there really are people who think that non-white people are animals, who believe in dual-seed theory, who believe that non-white people can’t go to heaven, who believe that white people should limit the breeding habits of non-white people. As such there needed to be a demarcation between people who think that way (racists) and people (Kinists) who merely insisted that race exists and that protecting one’s race is a noble thing and who do not agree with the desire to turn the whole world into one giant coffee with cream shade of pigmentation.
But if you don’t like the word “Kinism,” feel free to use your own word. Maybe “Familialism,” or, “Oikophilia-ism,” or “ethno-national,” or “race-realist.” I’m sure there is plenty of room for different words for those who are convinced the word “Kinism” is goofy.
F. H. Glastonbury wrote,
This is complete and utter bullspit. Name just one kinist you know that is a “race-mixer,” or “who believe it’s perfectly OK for a white girl to marry a mulatto, since he’s ‘kin’ to both blacks and Whites.” Kinists have been exhaustively precise on this and for you to now come along to try and muddy up the waters because you think the word is “goofy” is ridiculous.
You’re taking a page out of the Alienist playbook by beating down a strawman. No Kinist ever defined Kinism as you do above. You’re redefining Kinism from how the Kinists have defined Kinism and then you’re bludgeoning your definition of Kinism which no one holds. Well done sport. You have won the day.
Also, your “solution,” doesn’t solve the problem since on your principle if race is what is important than marrying your daughter to someone who is half one race and half another race isn’t a problem because that person also shares her race. If race is what is important than marrying your daughter off to a mixed race person is fine.
F. H. Glastonbury
So embracing “kinism” isn’t going to do much for our people. Liberals are fine with a world where everyone looks like Whoopi Goldberg. Consistent kinists are fine with a world where everyone looks like Hugo Chavez.
More straw men.
After your work there is enough straw laying around to provide fodder for the beasts dwelling in a large farm.
F. H. Glastonbury writes,
Well, I will certainly forget your strawman of Kinism.
No, kinist ever said it is fine to miscegenate between the races.
When people start embracing your definition of “racism,” then we’ll know the world has gone even more to hell in a handbasket.
F. H. Glastonbury writes,
I, for one am thankful for this paragraph above because it gives me the opportunity to distinguish myself from you.
1.) You reveal your pro-abortion for all non-Whites position by referring to the child in-utero as a fetus. This is contrary to the Scripture which views it as a child as seen in the Scripture’s command that the even the accidental killing of such an in-utero child is considered murder.
“When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman’s husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.” Exodus 21:22-25
But let me guess … you think Black in-utero babies are fetuses and not children and so therefore can be murdered.
2.) Do I worship black in-utero children? Well, I suppose that someone such as yourself who worships White people might well think so. (This in response to your “idolater” quip.)
3.) I find irony in the idea that by not supporting the killing of in-utero babies we are hence supporting the killing of families, cities, and nations. Are we God that we should determine who lives and dies without warrant from Scripture in making that determination? You may think yourself capable. I trust myself less than that.
Yes, yes … I understand that your steroid pragmatism insists that I am a fool for not supporting abortion for only minorities since minorities, generally speaking, are seeking to destroy White Christian civilization. But it is a foolishness I am willing to live with for I am not ashamed of the power of the Gospel knowing that it can change hearts and minds of all men everywhere.
4.) There is zero traditional understanding of scripture and the faith which has affirmed the butchery of babies of rape and/or incest.
By contrast, in colonial/Reformation era America even mulatto babies were carried to term, and either held as slaves by the family which birthed them, or donated to churches to be used as slaves of Parsonages. In either case, their raising was entrusted to Slave mammies who viewed the lighter-complexion of mulattoes as a status symbol.
5.) The only godly men I know anymore who are of good character and sense are Kinists — white or non-white. I could name of a dozen or more of them with whom I would entrust my life. More than that, most of them I would even entrust my pulpit to on a Sunday Morning. I shutter to think of the men you know who share your opinions who you count as “godly men who have good character and sense.” If they share your convictions please keep them away from me and mine.
6.) You’re right … it’s not a winning message. Good thing no Kinist is thumping for that message.
7.) The idea that Numbers 11 can be used to support the Abortion industry is mind numbing. When we once again have a temple, priests, and grain offerings I will be all for reinstating this means of abortion. Until then I am not making any exegetical flights of fancy that allow me to say that Numbers 11 supports the abortion industry.
You must have your bedroom decked out with Kermit Gosnell posters.
I’ve learned from you in the past F. H. Glastonbury and so I thank you for that but this is approximately 10 bridges to far.
“Modern society urgently needs true community: and true community is a world away from collectivism. Real community is governed by love and charity, not by compulsion. Through churches, voluntary associations, local governments, and a variety of institutions, conservatives strive to keep community healthy. Conservatives are not selfish, but public-spirited. They know that collectivism means the end of real community, substituting uniformity for variety and force for willing cooperation.”
“Variety and diversity are the characteristics of a high civilization. Uniformity and absolute equality are the death of all real vigor and freedom in existence. Conservatives resist with impartial strength the uniformity of a tyrant or an oligarchy, and the uniformity of what Tocqueville called “democratic despotism.”
Sixth, conservatives are chastened by their principle of imperfectability.
Two of the great watchwords of the Enlightenment were
1.) The inherent goodness of man
2.) The perfectibility of man
Both of these violate Conservative convictions and demonstrate again why only the Biblical Christian can be a consistent conservative. Even more we are beginning to see clearly that the Biblical Christian precisely because he is a Biblical Christian must be a conservative.
The Biblical Christian as conservative believes that man is fallen and because he believes that man is fallen he declaims against the Revolutionary notion of both the inherent goodness of man and the perfectibility of man. The Biblical Christian as conservative is deeply skeptical of any and all plans that hint at the Utopian. Even as a postmillennial, the Christian as conservative is suspicious of all non Kingdom of God attempts that are not organic with Kingdom of God principles to usher in some kind of social Utopia.
The last 150 years with their numerous mass graves dug by those who have believed in the perfectibility of man have given witness to the absolute folly of the pursuit of Christ-less social orders that have promised the immanentizing of the eschaton.
The Christian as conservative wants nothing to do with that.
Seventh, conservatives are persuaded that freedom and property are closely linked.
The necessity of personal property is taught as one of God’s commands when He declaimed “Thou Shalt Not Steal.” Obviously, one cannot be commanded to steal if stealing were not possible due to the existence of private property.
Christians as conservatives then insist that freedom and property are intertwined. The constant attack by the Bolshevik Marxists against private property ought to be enough by itself to establish this principle.
The ownership of property allows the Conservative as Christians to be Godlike as God Himself owns the earth and all the inhabitants thereof.
Ownership/Stewardship of property allows man to be generous and merciful. Ownership/Stewardship of property teaches us to own our goods while not allowing our goods to own us. The property-less man learns nothing of these human/Christian virtues.
The man who owns no property is by definition a slave and while slavery does not automatically read someone out of the Kingdom of God, slavery has always been seen as a condition which the Christian is to aspire to rise out of.
Finally, property has always been a means of establishing and protecting the trustee family as wealth is stored up in family lines over the generations. The Revolutionary State, desiring to be God walking on the earth, hates any competition and so does all it can to ensure that generational family property is seized by the State who would own all property.
Eighth, conservatives uphold voluntary community, quite as they oppose involuntary collectivism.
The voluntary community that the Christian as conservative upholds is the community that instant to the context in which the Christian lives. The voluntary community is that natural community that is inclusive of neighbor, local church, and the local polis — with its clubs, organizations, pubs, and small businesses.
The Christian as conservative finds the local voluntary community as natural akin to how a fish finds water natural. It is the contextual environment that God wherein has placed the Christian as conservative and as such it is where his loyalties first lie.
The Christian as conservative learns this principle from Scripture where over and over again we find articulated love of place and love of one’s own people. It originates first in the fifth commandment requirement to love one’s own Father and Mother and finds confirmation in Romans as Paul speaks of his deep love for his own race and again in Timothy where Paul says that if a man will not provide for his own household (extended family) he is worse than an infidel. These are all easily voluntary precisely because they represent where God has placed a person.
This is all contrasted with the Christian as conservatives unabashed hatred for the collective. The Christian as conservative hates the collective precisely because it destroys the sui generis of the local. The Christian as conservative hates involuntary collectivism because the only way it can be accomplished is by non-0rganic methods that force unique individuals and unique places, with all their variety and diversity, into a pre-cut template from which there is no escape as designed by some wicked bureaucrat in some far away clueless cubicle.
Which of course if consistently followed is itself an ideology.
Ideology is an inescapable category. One can not escape having an ideology and living in terms of that ideology. One may not be self-conscious in their ideology but they will live by one all the same.
Perhaps Kirk was going for the idea here that Conservatism is just a matter concerning the way one leans into life but even here the reason that any of us lean into life the way we do is because of what we believe and what we believe when teased out is our ideology/theology.
I really think Kirk swung and missed on this one.
In keeping with the theme of Russell Kirk I offer a brief peek at his listing of the necessary elements that must be present in order to claim the mantle of “Conservative.” Kirk has 10 offerings. They are all listed in bold. My response is in the italics.
“First, the conservative believes that there exists an enduring moral order. That order is made for man, and man is made for it: human nature is a constant, and moral truths are permanent.”
As long as we insist that the only person who can consistently speak this way is the Biblical Christian I couldn’t agree more. However, I would add that by this definition no one outside of Christ — no one who does not confess Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior can possibly be a consistent conservative. This is due to the fact that the existence of this enduring moral order is the God of the Bible’s enduring moral order and as such only those who have been reconciled to God in Christ can consistently advocate for this enduring moral order or live in harmony with this enduring moral order.
A small quibble here would be to note that the enduring moral order is made for God before it is made for man.
Human nature is a constant as long as we concede that the human nature in question if sinful apart from Christ and at the same time sinful and saint once in Christ.
We conclude therefore that only the Biblical Christian can be both consistent and conservative at the same time.
Second, the conservative adheres to custom, convention, and continuity.
Again, we must presuppose Biblical Christianity here and so insert the word “Biblical” as an adjective describing custom, convention, and continuity. The reason we must do so is that the Biblical Christian does not embrace custom, convention, and continuity for the sake of custom, convention, and continuity. Indeed, for the Biblical Christian custom, convention, and continuity are only to be esteemed as they rest upon and are reinforced by Biblical warrant. If custom, convention, and continuity do not have biblical warrant then they must be jettisoned for a new custom, a new convention, and a new continuity.
Custom, convention and continuity must always be measured by God’s authoritative word. To appeal to the idea that “We’ve always done it this way,” would be an end to the idea of “Semper Reformanda.”
We need to balance Kirk’s offering here with an observation by Dr. R. J. Rushdoony on this score;
“The ‘experience, traditions, and customs’ of a people are simply not enough to provide an epistemological basis for social order. Experience, tradition, and custom, must themselves be anchored in Biblical Christianity. If experience, tradition, and custom cannot be anchored in Biblical Christianity then they must be replaced by that which is seen as new but is yet rooted in Scripture.”
In 1988 after 70 years of Soviet rule in the Soviet Union would it have been proper to join with Kirk saying that custom, convention, and continuity are signs of being a conservative in the then existing Soviet regime? I don’t think any right minded person would think that a worthy description of conservatism when custom, convention, and continuity can be leveraged in the name of a long-standing and established wicked custom, convention, and continuity.
Third, conservatives believe in what may be called the principle of prescription.
Kirk’s thought here is that we should prefer the long established wisdom of our forebears as handed down generation by generation over and above our novelty of insight leading to a comparative instant demand for change.
Again, this is true only as in relation to the Biblical Christian as that Biblical Christian has had the blessing of being in a line of Biblical Christians for generations.
However, this principle of prescription would be of little good to an individual whose generations prior were of non-Christians. We know this because of what God’s word teaches in I Peter 1:18;
“knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold,”
It does no good whatsoever for the non-Christian to follow Kirk’s principle of prescription if the principle of prescription means they keep on embracing the futile ways inherited from their forefathers.
Fourth, conservatives are guided by their principle of prudence.
What Kirk is getting at here is that conservatives are careful about sudden and rash social order change. Following Chesterton’s advice Conservatives are slow to tear down fences until they first know why our father’s built the fence to begin with.
Revolutionaries are always in a hurry and their desire is for instant social order change. Revolutionaries thus are not prudent. They desire to cut down the mighty oak of an established social order and plant a new acorn and then see it age instantly overnight. Conservatives are slow and methodical when it comes to social order change trusting that their Christian forebears knew what they were doing.
Prudence, has perhaps never been more important when one realizes that in our epoch those who tout themselves as “conservative” are more often than not merely holding down the right side of the left and are therefore not conservative in the least.
Fifth, conservatives pay attention to the principle of variety.
Here Kirk is inveighing against egalitarianism. Kirk understands that modern notions of egalitarianism and equality destroy variety and genuine diversity. The conservative understands that equality means uniformity and that uniformity is the very definition of Hell’s own social order. This principle of variety is in point of fact a plea for liberty in the sense that God is a God who causes men to differ;
We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. Romans 12:6
It is the great Revolutionary sin to pursue equality and it is the great virtue of the conservative to acknowledge a liberty that allows men to differ according to their abilities, talents, and gifts.
R2K fanboy writes,
GOOD GREIF! How in the world could one come to such a conclusion that Islam is a threat to Christianity?
Bret responds,
Good Grief! How can anyone who knows anything about Church history not conclude that Islam can be a threat to Christianity in different times and places? Was Islam not a threat to the Northern littoral of Christian Africa before it overthrew Christianity in those places? Was Islam not a threat to the Middle East Christians of the Levant before Islam finally swept over those Christian peoples conquering them? Was Islam not a threat to Vienna before Joseph Sobieski won the day in 1683? So, I say again that Islam is once again a threat to Christianity just as it was in the examples given above.
Quit being dense.
R2K fanboy writes,
God has promised His Kingdom would advance, which means Islam, nor even the gates of hell will prevail against it. God has made no such promise of the United States. Therefore, with the Unites States, or without it, The Kingdom of God will continue to advance. It seems we have those who cannot separate The Kingdom of God, from the United States.
Bret responds,
It seems we have someone who never excelled at reading comprehension skills.
All because Islam will not ultimately prevail against the Kingdom of God does not mean that Islam cannot be a threat to Christianity in a particular time and place. One day Christianity will return to the Northern littoral of Africa and those lands which were once Christian and are now Muslim will once again be Christian once again. However, that does not change that before the sons of Allah rolled across the Northern Littoral of Africa that gates of hell did, for a season, prevailed against the Kingdom of God in those places in the sense that the Kingdom of God was not the ruling motif in those lands and Christ was not owned as Priest and King by majority of the population in those lands.
Having said that, given your lack of intelligence you’ve displayed so far, I sense I need to qualify the above paragraph by also saying that the Kingdom of God was still present among the Redeemed who still lived in those lands under the boot of Islam.
I completely reject your assertion that Christians are not told to take every thought captive to make them obedient to Christ and that II Corinthians 10: has nothing to do with all Christians taking every thought captive to the end of demolishing strongholds.