McAtee Contra R2K DeYoung on Kingdom Anticipations

1.) “This means the kingdom story we are telling is not the story of Christ saving his people so that they might change the world, transform the culture, or reclaim a nation. Instead, the story is of Christ so ruling over the nations of the world that the church might be built up.”

Kevin DeYoung
“Typical Modern Reformed Clergy”

Notice the false dichotomy in what DeYoung is touting here. If it is the case, as DeYoung says, that the story of Christians is that they are united to Christ who is so ruling over the nations that the Church might be built up then how can it NOT be the case that the consequence will be the transformation of culture, reclaiming of nations and changing the world? DeYoung’s eschatological presupposition here is clearly amillennial. DeYoung presupposes that Christ can rule over the nations so that the Church might be built up while at the same time resulting in a Church that will not transform nations.

I find this reasoning to be pathetic.

2.) “To be sure, there is not one square inch in all the universe about which Christ does not cry out, “This is mine!” And yet, Christ does not reign over every square inch in the same way.”

Rev. Kevin DeYoung
The Gospel Coalition
Oh… I see.
So, over some areas Christ says “Mine” but not in such a way that He actually does reign over it. In some of Christ’s “Mine” areas Christ only rules spiritually or ethereally or absently. So, we learn from Kev that Christ can reign in such a way that He really doesn’t reign. You see, only the clergy can make up such leather-headed distinctions.

It is true that often Christ’s reign is not visible but at those points, there are usurpers who have taken up Christ’s scepter in order to deny His reign. Such people must be shown the door by the faithful soldiers of Jesus Christ the King.

Kevin does not anticipate victory and so Kev gives us “logic” that allows for Christ to be the King of Kings who loses in space and time to those who frustrate the great King’s sovereign rule.

3.) (We must) “make sure that we are telling the right story when it comes to the kingdom. In explaining the petition “thy kingdom come,” the Westminster Larger Catechism tells us to “pray that the kingdom of sin and Satan may be destroyed, the gospel propagated throughout the world . . .the church furnished with all gospel officers and ordinances . . .that the ordinances of Christ may be purely dispensed, and made effectual to the converting of those that are yet in their sins, and the confirming, comforting, and building up those that are already converted: that Christ would rule in our hearts here, and hasten the time of his second coming, and our reigning with him forever” (Q/A 191). The Catechism gives us a magnificent prayer for the growth, strength, and health of the church.
But that’s not the end of the answer. Here’s the last line of WLC 191: “and that [Christ] would be pleased so to exercise the kingdom of his power in all the world, as may best conduce to these ends.” Notice the gospel-centered logic of the Larger Catechism. Christ rules over all things for the good of the church. The kingdom of power is subservient to the kingdom of grace (giving way to the kingdom of glory), not the other way around.”
Kevin DeYoung
Typical Reformed Clergy
There must be something about Reformed clergy and false dichotomies. The Westminster Larger Catechism teaches us that praying thy Kingdom come means to ask that the Kingdom of sin and Satan be destroyed.

Full Stop.

That’s all I need to know to know that transformation of cultures is the consequence of muscular Christianity. If Satan’s kingdom of sin be destroyed the only contender that is left is the Kingdom of Christ expanding over the whole globe and over every area of life. If Satan’s Kingdom of sin is destroyed then that means by necessity that Christ’s Kingdom covers the earth as the water covers the sea. There are no other options.

DeYoung seems to want Satan’s Kingdom to cover all the earth while Christ’s Kingdom is limited to the Church realm. However, if Satan’s Kingdom of sin is a Kingdom that affects family relationships, national cultures, law orders, Educationals Institutions, etc. then the triumph of Christ’s Kingdom over Satan’s Kingdom means those areas will be transformed by the grace of God’s law informing every area of life.
DeYoung is just trying to cover his R2K arse with this bilge. It doesn’t work Kev.

Loose Transcript of Pactum Institute Interview — Science, Presuppositions & Worldviews

Host — Adi Schlebush

The idea of objective science as based on rationalism initially found expression in Descartes, embodied in the 19th century by the likes of Max Weber and Leopold Ranke. The idea is that, through the use of pure reason, one can come to scientifically objective conclusions.

However, this idea was challenged firstly by Reformed philosophers such as Groen van Prinsterer, PJ Hoedemaker, Cornelius van Til, Gordon Clarke, and later by Herman Dooyeweerd in particular. These people pointed out that there were inescapable presuppositions or pre-theoretical commitments required to make any scientific engagement possible.

But significantly this notion of objectivity would also be later challenged by postmodernism, a worldview which in turn emphasizes the intersubjectivity of truth and the fact that none of the sciences can lay a claim to doing completely unbiased and “objective” research so to speak. Whereas postmodernism descends into complete skepticism, however, Christian philosophy emphasizes the dependency of truth upon the presupposition of a Sovereign God and his Revelation. For example, this can be seen even in exact sciences such as mathematics, where there is, among some anti-Christian scholars today, a movement aiming to return to the pagan idea of finitism, that is, not recognizing infinity as a legitimate mathematical category, whereas, of course, as Christians, we know that numbers can be infinite, since God, the Creator of Mathematics, is infinite.

However, criticism against the Enlightenment idea of objective scientific investigation seems to have been suddenly forgotten over the past couple of years, with the rise of the “respect the science”-cult now enforcing covid-19 regulations and vaccine mandates over whole populations in the name of a so-called “scientific consensus”, which in itself is a myth propagated by the media.

And so today we are going to talk a little bit about those pre-theoretical presuppositions when it comes to doing any scientific or scholarly research.

So my first question to you, Bret, is this:

  • Firstly, do you agree with my proposition that all scientists and scholars have certain biases and pre-investigative commitments? And if so, how does this work? Aren’t scientific facts merely self-evident truths equally available to all people regardless of their religion or worldview?

    BLMc responds,

    Yes, I certainly agree that all scientists and scholars have certain inescapable bias and pre-investigative commitments. We might call this philosophical prolegomena. The reality of this in the field of Science was established by Thomas Kuhn in his “The Structure of Scientific Revolutions,” published in 1962. Gordon Clark likewise made this case from a distinctly Christian perspective in his, 1964 book “The Philosophy of Science and Belief in God.” Greg Bahnsen likewise has done work locating the philosophical fault in the supposed “Scientific method.” We should also mention Vern Poythress’s “Science and Hermeneutics.” So, yes, it is just silly to suggest that anybody can do philosophy, science, sociology, history without certain biases. Fallen man has to have pre-investigative commitments precisely because he is a creature. Only God being the creator can be objectively objective.

    This of course means that for the creature there are no self-evident truths. All truths must be God interpreted first and then man must interpret facts via God’s interpretation. This means that without God there are no stable facts. Facts presuppose the existence of a creator God.

    The fact that scientific facts are not merely self-evident truths equally available to all people regardless of their religion or worldview is seen in a host of places but let us start with two scientists with two different religions. One of our Scientists is a Christian who confesses that God made the World all good in six days, resting on the 7th day. Our other Scientist practices the religion of humanism. He does not believe in God instead of believing in evolution and that all has taken place by time plus chance plus circumstance. This is the religion of each. Now each of our scientists is given the same exact fossil and asked to examine it and report back on their conclusions. The first scientist looks at the fossil and concludes that this fossil is consistent with the belief that God made all that is made in 6 days. The second scientist looks at the fossil and starts talking about how the fossil is consistent with the billions and billions of years it took for the earth to form.

    Here we have the same exact fact (the Fossil) and yet the two scientists with two different worldviews and religious commitments serving as their pre-investigative and pre-theoretical commitments (presuppositions) each contribute either to recognizing the fact for what it is or to engaging upon practicing fake science.

    The problem with most science, as I am fond of saying, is that it is not particularly scientific. One’s science is only as good as one’s theology as theology is the driving force behind whatever science is being done. The whole notion that Science is this independent something so that we can all start chanting… “just follow the science” is absolute nonsense if only because what is typically really being said is, “just follow our humanistic theology and the fake science that is rendered up by our humanistic theology.”

    This is particularly true when it comes to the whole “science mantra” that we are living through with our current Deep State virus. The Science that Fauci, Gates, the CDC, the WHO, etc. are pushing is every bit as fake as the fake news that is pushing the narrative of the fake science. We are currently living in a sea of fake reality driven by fake theology.

    Adi Schlebusch 

  • Now that we know that holding certain theological or philosophical presuppositions are inescapable, how would you go about explaining to someone that the Christian worldview is superior to any alternatives?

    BLMc responds,

    I would go about explaining that the Christian worldview is superior to any alternative is the fact that all other alternatives are based upon epistemological authority source that is not derivative of the God of the Bible. Christians live by every word of God while the non-Christian lives by every word of fallen man. When the non-Christian gets something right it is only because they have imported Christian capital into their worldview in order to get it to work. If they were consistent with their own epistemological authority source they would eliminate all the Christian capital they have stolen and so be wrong at every turn.

    The fact that the Christian lives by every word of God and looks to God and His Word for his epistemological authority source does not mean we look to the bible for answers on how to do heart surgery or how to do siesmology. It means that God’s word gives the reality context wherein the ability to do heart surgery or seismology make sense.

    Secondly, I would offer that all worldviews save the Christian worldview are inherently contradictory at some point. Take the Scientific worldview called “Empiricism” and “verificationism” for example.

    The Scientific method teaches that all facts must be empirically observed in order to be scientifically endorsed. The problem here is that the Scientific method’s assertion that all facts must be empirically observed in order to be scientifically endorsed is not a fact that is or can be empirically observed and so the Scientific method as a method for gaining facts must be ruled out of bounds before we start since its major premise is not gained by empirical observation. There we see the contradiction of Empiricism.

    Therefore, according to its own strict standards, the statement of Science that all things must be Empirically arrived at or can not amount to significant knowledge about the objective world simply reflects the subjective (perhaps meaningless!) bias of the scientist (so-called) who pronounces it. Hence the anti-metaphysician not only has his own preconceived conclusions (presuppositions), but it turns out that he cannot live according to them (Rom. 2:1). On the basis of his own assumptions, he refutes himself (II Tim. 2:25). As Paul put it about those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness: ‘They become futile in their speculation (Rom. 1:21)!

    So, to quote Bahnsen here,

    That anti-metaphysical presupposition has certain devastating results. Notice that if all knowledge must be empirical in nature, then the uniformity of nature cannot be known to be true. And without the knowledge and assurance that the future will be like the past (e.g., if salt dissolved in water on Wednesday, it will do likewise and not explode on Friday) we could not draw empirical generalizations and projections — in which case the whole enterprise of natural science would immediately be undermined.”

    Dr. Greg Bahnsen
    Always Ready — pg. 187-188

    Adi Schlebush,

  • I think a major question on everyone’s mind right now is the prevailing narrative from the scientific establishment. We have a virus, the Covid-19 virus which has spread around the world over the past 18 months. We have been told by the media and by the scientific establishment that firstly full-scale lockdowns and now vaccines are necessary to save lives. However, they have ignored the scientific evidence regarding the effectiveness of Hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin against the virus as well as various studies which have shown that the lockdowns are counter-productive, that is, that they are not preventing people from getting infected and it is also destroying many people’s livelihood, not to mention taking away some of their basic liberties. I know, for example, that there are, despite all the censorship, almost 60 studies published in medical journals proving the efficacy of Ivermectin, for example, and yet, most scientists and the media continue to simply deny this. Why do you think this is, and does it have anything to do with the scientific philosophy or the presuppositions these scientists hold? And would the sanctification of the medical and political sciences help in preventing such deceptive narratives from prevailing in our society?

    BLMc,

    Why do I think this is?

    I think what we are living through now is more a case of “follow the money” as well as “all those who hate Christ love death,” then I think it is about the fault of the Scientific method. In other words, I don’t think there are many Scientists – so-called – out there who believe much of this scat that is being pushed out by the Scientific community. It is my conviction that the problematic philosophies being held are not Empiricism or Verificationism but rather the problematic philosophies we are suffering under right now are competing forms of Marxism, Anarchism, and Nihilism. All that we are experiencing is a consequence of the pursuit of a vision that goes back to the Garden and that is of man rolling God of His throne in favor of some elitist expression of man corporately considered. Science is merely being used for a cover much like the Science of Lamarck and Lysenko was used as a cover for Stalin’s and later Mao’s program of starvation.  We are living during a time of “The Great Reset” and the “Great Reset” will use all levers including Science, (so-called) in order to build a globally centralized New World Order where a few “Party Members” will rule the whole globe. “You will have own nothing and be happy.”

    I guess one might say that it does have something to do with the preusppositions the Scientists hold because if they were converted and Biblical Scientists they would be standing tall and screaming that this Great Reset is Marxist dung.

    Of course if these putative scientists and politicians were converted with the result that these fields were increasingly sanctified we would not be living through this grand-daddy of all Gaslighting endeavors in world history.

Revelation’s Beast II

Revelation 13 Then [a]I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having [b]seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name.

Most commentators regardless of their theological affiliation agree that the Beast shifts from an individual to a corporate entity. We talked about this last week if you recall. The Beast, we said then, is an Individual, Nero Caesar, who also embodies a people – in this case the Roman Empire. John flips back and forth between the Individual expression and the corporate expression.

As we hinted at and are now hammering on the reason that we believe that the Beast in Revelation must be a first-century reality is because of the time markers we find in John’s Revelation. Those time markers require us to find the Beast in the first century or else the time markers give us a real problem.

Now here on the time Markers,

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must [a]shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw. Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.

John says that all that he is writing about must shortly take place and then says the time is near in terms of the matters he writes of.

This disallows us to find this Beast and his Mark that John later speaks of in Rev. 13 to be some personage today because if it is some personage today then it didn’t shortly take place and it was not near. This means that we are not allowed to play “Find Waldo” with the Beast. In my lifetime the Beast has been floated as Henry Kissinger. The Beast has been floated as Ronald Wilson Reagan who had 6 letters in his first, middle, and last name. The Beast has been floated as Mikhail Gorbachev. Throughout history people thought Napoleon was the beast, Hitler was the Beast, and countless others. Like the children’s game of “Finding Waldo” Evangelicals have been forever trying to identify the Beast and His Mark. John’s language forbids us from doing this. Not only these two instances in Chapter 1 but also elsewhere in this book of Revelation

Revelation 2:16; 3:11; 22:7, 12, 20

2:16 Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth.

Revelation 3:11

11 [a]Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown.

Revelation 22:7

7 “Behold, I am coming quickly! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.”

Revelation 22:12

Jesus Testifies to the Churches

12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to everyone according to his work.

Revelation 22:20

20 He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming quickly.”

Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus!

Now, not only do the time markers move us in the direction of a 1st century Beast but Revelation 17 gives us location information that points us in the direction of a 1st century Beast that is Nero Caesar and Rome.

In Revelation 17 we see a woman riding on a beast. John is perplexed by all that he is seeing and an Angel gives him a cryptic explanation

But the angel said to me, “Why did you marvel? I will tell you the [c]mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns.

“Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. 10 There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time. 11 The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to [f]perdition.

Now we refer first to the seven heads that John sees. The Angels say that those seven heads correspond to seven mountains.

It is widely conceded that Rome itself is the city built on seven hills. Rome has been known by that knick almost from its beginning. So the seven heads point us to Rome.

Further, we learn in 13:1 that the Beast rises out of the Sea.

Then [a]I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, 

Now whether one considers John’s location on the Island of Patmos, or if believes that John is writing as positioned with the 7 churches of Revelation or if one envisions John writing as positioned in Israel in each case, John would have been facing Westward in the Mediterranean world to see the Sea and beyond the sea in that direction lay ancient Rome. As such it would make sense that in his vision he would see the beast that is the Roman Empire rising out of the sea.

So we being w/ a cumulative argument that strengthens itself along the way. First, there are the time markers. Then there are those seven heads as seven mountains all pointing towards Rome. Then there is the rising out of the sea – a necessity if one believes that John is looking westward across the Mediterranean towards Rome.

Now we consider how John speaks of the Beast as having authority. John pictures the beast in such a way that fits well w/ 1st century Rome. In Rev. 13:2 it is said of the Beast by John that he has;

 ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name

The ten crowns obviously would signify great political authority which would have been true of Rome in spades.

The horns are also significant. In Scripture, horns are often associated with stature and power. In Daniel 720-21 for example Daniel has a similar dream that references ten horns. In the ancient world, horns were seen as symbols of political and military power because of the power seen in the horns of an ox or a ram. Daniel 7 even finds one of the horns making war on the saints thus pushing us towards identifying the beast as a militarily powerful entity.

Josephus in his “War on the Jews” says of Rome; “The Romans were the Lords of the habitable earth.” Rome as multiple horns fits with John’s imagery.

We press on in the symbolism in chapter 17 that explains this Beast

1There are also, seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time. 11 The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to [f]perdition.

Here we transition from a geographic location hint (seven heads – seven mountains) and a hint having to do with power, authority and might (horns & crowns) to a hint that has to do with chronology.

There are also, seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time.

Now how does this point us towards Rome and the Empire?

Well, if we consider the Emperors of Rome we arrive at five who have fallen (dead) one that is (Nero) and one that is yet to come and who when he finally does come will rule only for a short time.

The five Caesars who had fallen;

Julius Caesar
Augustus (Christ’s Birth)
Tiberius (Christ’s death)
Gaius
Claudius

Nero is the 6th King who is

When Nero dies the Roman civil wars will begin and those wars cough up John’s “the one who is yet to come” a chap named Galba who only ruled 6 months which fits John’s prophetic insight that would only rule for a short time.

So as we continue this cumulative argument we begin to see a strong confirmation that John sees the Beast collectively or corporately as the Roman Empire and individually as Nero Caesar who is the embodiment of Rome.

Then of course there is the Beast aspect itself;

Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. 

We talked about this a wee bit last week so we won’t spend a a great deal of time here.

John gives us these carnivores (leopard, bear, lion) to describe the beast. And if we know anything about Rome we know about its Coliseum barbarities where Rome’s enemies would be fed to these carnivore beasts. The Roman Empire was bestial.

Not only Rome collectively, but also Nero as embodying Rome was a Beast. Nero killed his mother Agrippina, his wife, his brother. This beast would tie up slaves to a stake and then molest them and finally kill them. So, the imagery of a beast once we consider all that we’ve considered fits well with the Roman Empire and Nero.

Phillip Schaff wrote that Nero “heaped crime upon crime until he became a proverbial monster of iniquity.”

Next we consider that John says of the Beast;

13:And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies,

Of course the Caesars were ascribed divinity and Rome was all about Emperor worship. Nero had coins minted that had his image on the coins with rays of the sun bursting forth from his head signifying he was the incarnation of the Sun God Apollo.

We see Nero and Blasphemy in the way he was worshiped. Dio Cassius, a 2nd century Roman Historian tells of A King of Armenia named Tiridates, came to have audience with Nero; In the course of his visit Tiridates speaks to Nero thus;

Master, I am the descendant of Arsaces, brother of the kings Vologaesus and Pacorus, and your slave. And I have come to you, my god, to worship you as I do Mithras. The destiny you spin for me shall be mine; for you are my Fortune and my Fate.”[6]

So, again, the descriptors that John is given fit up well with Rome and Nero.

13:It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them.

We know from history that the first official persecution of Christians by Rome came under Nero’s reign. Worse persecutions would follow from other Emperors but Nero did indeed make war with the saints and overcame them. Peter and Paul are swallowed up by the Neronic persecutions.

Tacitus, a Roman Historian writes of Nero,

“Nero inflicted unheard-of punishments on those who were detested for their abominable crimes commonly called Christians…. An immense number of them died.”

“A vast multitude of the the elect were killed by Nero” I Clement

Now John also tells us that this rage;
“”
continue for forty-two months. (13:5)”

This is an arguable point depending on when one begins the start date of the Neronic persecutions of Christians but at least by some accounts Nero began this persecution of the Christians in Nov. of 64 and continues it till he dies 42 months later.

Well, lets do one more bit of analysis that points towards the Beast as Rome / Nero;

 13:And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast.

I think we can make the case that this is referring to the Roman Empire. Nero commits suicide on June 8 68 AD. Very quickly the Beast – Rome falls into civil war and it looks like Rome as an Empire is mortally wounded.

Tacitus offers on how dire these times were in Rome’s history;

“The history of which I am entering is that of a period rich in disasters, terrible in battles, torn by civil struggles, horrible even in peace, four Emperors fell by the sword, three civil wars, more foreign wars, often at the same time.

This was the condition of the Roman State when Serveus Galba was chosen counsel for the 2nd time and his colleague Titus Vinnius entered upon the year that for Galba his last and for the state almost the end.”

The mortal wound of the Empire was healed by Vespasian who became Emperor and brought stability back to the Empire for a time.

This, in addition to what was said last week caps this cumulative argument that the Beast is Rome both in the collective as Empire and individually as the Empire is incarnated in Nero Caesar.

If this is accurate – and I believe it is – then almost all of Revelation is past to us though it was future to them.

It is also the case that if this is accurate that the Judgment in Revelation that is spoken of was a past Judgment and found its fulfillment on Israel in 70 AD with Christ’s Judgment coming against Israel for its rejecting of its Messiah.

And that larger case remains to be developed in sermons for another time.

John the Revelator’s “Mark of the Beast”

 Revelation 13: 15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has [g]the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

We are kind of parachuting in on Revelation in order to briefly consider the infamous “Mark of the Beast” that has gotten and still gets so much playtime. It might not be a good idea to parachute in like this because of how the macro context in Revelation dictates our understanding but I wanted to say something about the Mark of the Beast so as to give us a vaccine that will resist the tendencies while living in infectious times to start looking everywhere for this dreaded Mark of the Beast as declared in the Apocalypse of John.

Now, before I start I want to affirm that I believe that marks of the beast can and do continue to exist. However, I do not believe THE mark of the beast as mentioned in Revelation 13 is something we are still looking for. In point of fact, I believe that the Mark of the Beast that John the Revelator spoke of was a Mark that his first-generation readers were being warned about. It would make little sense for John to warn about events, beasts, false prophets, Anti-Christs that would come on the scene 1000’s of years later to the lifetime of those to whom St. John was writing. John in writing Revelation is writing a book for the 1st century Christians and so when I read about a Mark of the Beast in John’s Apocalypse it is a Mark of the Beast that while being future to them is in the past to us. I believe that this Mark of the Beast that John speaks of applied to some reality in the 1st century and I hope to convince you of that before this sermon is finished.

Notice that the Beast’s spirit inspired image in vs. 16 causes six categories of people

small & the great
rich & the poor
free men & salves

To receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead of 666. Without this Mark a person will not be able to engage in commerce – they won’t be able to buy or sell.

We should note first before diving into this that this Mark of the Beast is the antithesis of a Mark that God places upon His people we learn of elsewhere in Revelation. So, this Mark of the Beast is in antithesis to the Mark of God upon His people. We read of God’s Mark of “seal” upon His people in Revelation,

Rev. 3:12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.

Rev. 7:Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God. And he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, saying, “Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.” And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed:

14 Then I looked, and behold, [a]a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, [b]having His Father’s name written on their foreheads.

This idea of being literally marked by God is not unique to the book of Revelation. In Deuteronomy, it is the Words of God that are worn upon foreheads and hands.

“And these words which I command you today shall be in your heart. You shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, when you walk by the way, when you lie down, and when you rise up. 8 You shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes.

So, now we see that God’s people in Revelation are Marked and so sealed and we see that in the antithesis of that and perhaps even in an obscene parody of that the people who belong to their Father the Devil have the Mark of the Beast.

Now as to these Marks note that they are placed upon both the forehead and the right hand. We might offer here that this is symbolic of both distinct peoples having both their thinking (forehead) and their doing (right-hand) Marked by their respective God.

The Mark thus need not be literal but only be symbolic of a people whose thinking and doing is dominated by their Gods. For the Christian, they would have had their thinking and doing dominated by thinking their thoughts after God. For those who belong to their Father the Devil they would be dominated by thinking their thoughts after the State which I believe is what the Beast stands for. Stay with me and we will get to that.

Those who are sealed unto their Father the devil with this Mark of the Beast I believe are those of 1st century Talmudic Jews who rejected the Lordship of Jesus Christ in favor of the Lordship of Rome. This Talmudic Jew Leadership class had embraced being ruled by the Neronic Caesar State as opposed to being ruled by their Messiah. Remember those 1st century Jews had said;

John 19:25 The chief priests answered, “We have no king but Caesar!”

And we are going to see that the Mark of the Beast that John writes of refers directly to Nero Caesar.

So, I have tipped my hand here. I believe the False Prophet (synonymous w/ the Land Beast) refers to 1st century Jewish Priest class leadership. The Image of the Beast that the False Prophet has built and forces upon faithless Israel corresponds to Nero Caesar who requires his Mark on hands and foreheads that we are considering.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666. The Scripture gives us significant information that points us in the direction of Rome collectively and Nero individually (as the incarnation of Rome) to be the one to whom the Mark of the Beast corresponds.

We know from Scripture that 6 is the number of both beast and man.

They were each created on the 6th day of creation. (Gen. 1:24-31)
Six days out of Seven are given to man and beast to labor (Ex. 20:8-11)
Six cities of refuge were set apart for the accidental slaying of men (Nm. 35:9-15)

Some have suggested that just as the number 7 signifies completion or perfection, especially of God, so the number 6 being one shy of 7 signifies incompletion and imperfection.

More than this R. C. Lenski in his commentary on John offers this about the numbering of 666 in the book of Revelation;

“John writes the number not in words but in Greek letters

Chi (x) which has the value of 600
Xi (ks = fox) which has the numerical value of 60
Sigma (s)which has the value of 6

thus 666 – three times falling short of the divine 7 of perfection.

In other words not 777 but competing with 777, seeking to obliterate 777 but doing so abortively, its failure being as complete as was its expansion by puffing itself up from 6 to 666.”

So, if 777 = perfect perfection, 666= perfect imperfection.

666 is the number of man in opposition to God. It is the number of man collectively organized in the State to rise to overthrow God.

Now at this point we must admit that the Greek here could point to man in the collective as opposed to any singular man who is the Beast having a mark to distribute. The Greek says, “for the number is that of a man,” which could be also translated as “for it is a number of mankind.” The word Anthropos is often though not always generic when it occurs without an article as it does here.

But this is a situation where we can have our cake and eat it also. We can do so by keeping in mind that a distinct man stands for the whole or is emblematic of the whole. In this case, the particular man is Nero as standing for all of wicked Rome.

We see this kind of thing commonly in History. For example, Louis XIV could say, L’État, c’est moi”—literally, “I am the State” thus identifying himself individually with the nation and the nation with him. Augustus Caesar took to himself the title “pontifex Maximus.” This title made Augustine the High Priest Representative of the People so that people were in him. We see in these two examples that the King or Emperor as Individuals were the embodiment of the Nation as a whole. If we understand Nero as the embodiment of Rome the question of the singular or the corporate nature that the Greek is pointing to need not bother us.

Now, why do we hook this 666 up, Nero Caesar? When Nero Caesar is written in the Hebrew alphabet from the Greek (nrwn qsr) with the associated numerical value given to each Hebrew letter נרון קסר‎ (gematria) represents the numbers 50 200 6 50 100 60 200 which add up to 666. In the same way, if Nero Caesar is written in Aramaic (another language the 1st-century recipients of the letter would’ve likely been familiar with) this can be valued at 666 again using the Hebrew numerology. Writing in this fashion would explain why John in 14:18 says,

“Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast,”

St. John was writing cryptically against the Roman Emperor while at the same time making that clear by insisting that both understanding and calculation would be necessary.

Next, we pause to consider that calling Nero a Beast was consistent with the man’s character. Nero murdered his own Mother. His contemporaries referred to the man as a Beast in their writings.

Then there is the consideration that Nero, too, was the sixth emperor, counting from Julius Caesar (as did Suetonius, for example, and Josephus).
So this is the evidence that the 666 Mark of the Beast refers to Nero and Rome of the first century as the Jews – as Revelation’s False prophet – come under the authority of Nero in their thinking and doing thus having the Mark of the Beast on their hands and foreheads.

Now, that I have established that THE Mark of the Beast as an eschatological time marker designating something about the yet future return of Jesus is no longer something that we are looking for since that is in the past to us let me say as I said at the outset that there is no reason that we should not embrace the notion that Beasts and their Marks still exist and that they exist consistent with the Beasts and the Marks we find here in Revelation.

This is to say that Beasts still exist as Nation States and their Governments seeking to press upon God’s people a Mark that communicates their control of our thinking and doing. This has been the character of the Nero-like Tyrannical rulers and governments throughout time. Whether we mention the bible’s examples of Egypt’s Pharaoh, Babylon’s Nebuchadnezzar, the Edomite Herod, or whether we mention post-Biblical Rulers like Charles I w/ his Priest William Laud or whether we mention the Guise, or the Medicis or the Bloody Mary or her Father Henry VIII or Robespierre & Marat or Lenin, or Stalin, or Mao, or the Rothschilds what we find throughout history are Beasts who if they could they would press upon God’s people nasty Marks of the Beast indicating that the thinking and doing of God’s people are under their control.

That is why the Christian hates with a godly hatred the Tyrant State. The Biblical Christian knows what the Tyrant State is up to and he loathes the idea that any Tyrant and/or Tyrannical Government would usurp the authority of our Liege Lord Jesus Christ. The Biblical Christian like Daniel’s three friends is resolved to refuse to bow in any way to the Tyrant State. We know the scaly finger of the serpentine NWO and all we will do as Christians is pull a St. George on that scaly damnable Dragon.

You see what Nero and Rome as the Beast was doing in the 1st century to the Church is now what is being attempted yet again, against God’s people. Again the Beasts of the Great Reset and the NWO is seeking to press upon us their Beastly Mark that indicates that we live and move and have our being in the State. Man in his collective expression of the State is once again rising up to seek to squash God’s people by forcing on them their Mark that would indicate that we are under their authority and control. It doesn’t take much imagination to identify the symbols that now exist that men are increasingly bearing this Mark of the Beast.

And Oh how they like to play with this whole Biblical notion of the 666 and the Mark of the Beast just to put their thumb in the eye of God and God’s people. They use Twilight Language to let us know that they are out there in defiance of God. More on that for those interested during our fellowship and mealtime.

So there it is … the Mark of the Beast both then and now. And for those who have the capacity to connect the dots, it is easy to see why the behavior of much of the visible Church in the last year-plus has been so deplorable. The Church has been acting as if she can’t wait to be tatted on her hands and foreheads with the State’s Mark of the Beast.

These things ought not to be so for those who own Jesus Christ as their Sovereign and their great High Priest.