Yet in Psalm 2 we read God speaking to Magistrates;
Now therefore, be wise, O kings;
Be instructed, you judges of the earth.
11 Serve the Lord with fear,
And rejoice with trembling.
12 Kiss the Son, lest He be angry,
And you perish in the way,
When His wrath is kindled but a little.
Blessed are all those who put their trust in Him.
I’m pretty confident that this passage is teaching that God requires governments to be Christian or else, given that the idea of Kissing the Son communicates the idea of submission and fealty.
2.) But Van Drunen (DVD) goes beyond that. DVD insists that God does not want (is opposed to) nations being Christian nations. Now, if God does not want something, we would usually say that that something that God does not want is sin. If that is accurate (and I don’t see how it isn’t accurate) then nations being Christian nations would be sin and conversely nations not being Christian nations would be righteousness in God’s sight.
II.) “If you find Nationalism attractive, I’m not on board with you, but go for it. Just don’t slap the adjective ‘Christian’ in front of it (Nationalism) because you then put yourself in danger of 3rd commandment violation by taking the Lord’s name in vain (by) attaching Christ to this and I would say that Christ does not want Christian nations.”
Dr. David Van Drunen
1.) Here we learn that to embrace the idea of “Christian” nations is a violation of “Thou Shalt Not Take The Name Of The Lord Thy God In Vain.” Conversely, by eschewing the idea of a nation owning Christ’s Kingship, as seen in the laws enacted and Biblical requirements that must be submitted for Magistrates to serve, it must be true that to do so would be to walk in holiness unto the Lord. That is, by not, as by design and pursuit, seeking to have a Christian nation one is at that point being an exemplary Christian living in a Christian nation.
2.) Keep in mind that DVD would use the same reasoning against those who would advocate for Christian families, Christian Law, or Christian Education (to name just a few). In each case and in all cases to use that word “Christian” as an adjective puts oneself in danger of third commandment violation.
III.) “I asked David Van Drunen a question that I believe goes right to the heart of this issue. I asked him what God would think of a nation whose magistrate and people had become overwhelmingly (and sincerely) Christian, and who decided to confess Christ in the common realm, in the formerly secular realm. I asked if God would be displeased with that, and Van Drunen said yes, he thought God would be displeased with that.”
https://dougwils.com/books-and-culture/s7-engaging-the-culture/the-bozo-over-at-mablog.html Bret responds,
If God would be displeased with what Wilson describes above the opposite must also be true and that is God would be pleased with a Christian people who decided not to confess Christ in the common realm, in the formerly secular realm.
This in turn means that God is pleased with a realm existing that does not seek to honor Him in all things.
Quite to the contrary we would insist that God intends for all the nations of the world to one day confess Christ – and that prior to His return. This is the promise of Scripture where the Holy Spirit teaches that “Christ must reign until He puts all things under His feet.” Nation would be one of the all things. The last thing the Lord Jesus Christ said was the command to “make disciples of all nations.” If a nation is discipled as unto Christ, thus fulfilling the great commission command, how can that nation not be considered Christian?
R2K consistently denies the idea of Christian nationalism and yet Scripture repeatedly demonstrates that even in the new Jerusalem we find the existence of Christian nations. They come into the new Jerusalem as Christian nations because they were Christian as nation prior to their entry into the new Jerusalem.
DVD is cracking up. The thing about the Lord is that He makes us live out the commitments of our core presuppositions. He made the commitment and the Lord says: “You shall reap the fruit of your ways.”
Years ago, though I NEVER agreed with him, at least DVD could be more convincing in his folly but now, after all these years, it’s naked for all to see. Moreover, supernatural blindness and deafness have set in and he cannot even hear himself when he says the most obviously inane things. No one would hire him today if he applied for the position of professor as an unknown newbie. He can only retain his present position because of tenure and institutional inertia.
The guy is seriously going mad.