“The church is composed of a multitude drawn from every tribe, language, and nation—all of whom stand equally in need of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Now, the Kinist will readily affirm this point in word. He will say that the gospel is for all people without distinction. But this verbal concession collapses under the weight of his own system.
For if, as Kinism maintains, certain races are marked by enduring genetic deficiencies—moral or cultural traits that the gospel does not fully overcome—then the universality of the gospel is not truly believed but merely stated. In such a framework, the gospel may be offered to all, but it is not equally powerful for all. It becomes, in effect, a partial remedy—sufficient for some peoples but inherently limited in its transforming ability among others.”
Jeffrey Stivason
A Word to Kinists?
Bret responds,
1.) You were good in the first paragraph until the last sentence of that paragraph. The system of Biblical Christianity which includes Kinism has no collapse.
2.) No Kinist says that people with mental deficiencies such as retards are not elect. We believe that retards can be converted. Kinists believe, along with Scripture, that people from every tribe, tongue, and nation, in their tribes, tongues, and nations, will have elect drawn from them and be present at the great marriage feast of the lamb. Kinists, like the Apostle Paul (See Romans 9:1-3) would have never denied that there would be Cretans in heaven.
3.) Nobody denies that sanctification works in all peoples that are converted. What is denied is that all peoples will be equally sanctified. For example, converted Headhunting people groups will not likely be equally sanctified as compared to a people group converted who had been leavened with cultural Christianity for generations.
4.) So, Jeffery, we see you are a liar and have violated the 9th commandment by writing what you write above.
Stivason writes,
The New Testament proclaims a Christ who breaks down dividing walls, who creates one new man in place of the old divisions, and who renews fallen sinners without regard to ethnicity or lineage. But Kinism reintroduces those very barriers under the guise of “nature,” suggesting that grace is bounded by blood.”
Jeffrey Stivason
A Word to Kinists
Bret responds,
1.) Here is a fine argument on Stivason’s part on why grace destroys nature. If you believe that grace destroys nature but instead believe that grace restores nature then you are just fine with Stivason’s asinine conclusions.
2.) The one new man that the Spirit creates refers to the SPIRITUAL union that believers of all races have in common. However, Jeffrey, justification does not mean copulation. The distinctions that God created us with do not disappear upon conversion. I mean… think about it Jeffrey, isn’t it the case that “the one new man in Christ,” also includes females? Does that mean that gender goes away upon conversion? Now follow me here Jeffery … if you can … if gender doesn’t disappear with the one new man in Christ why would you think that race/ethnicity would disappear upon conversion?
For Pete’s sake … even John Calvin, the Kinist, is against you here,
“Regarding our eternal salvation, it is true that one must not distinguish between man and woman, or between king and a shepherd, or between a German and a Frenchman. Regarding policy, however, we have what St. Paul declares here; for our, Lord Jesus Christ did not come to mix up nature, or to abolish what belongs to the preservation of decency and peace among us….Regarding the kingdom of God (which is spiritual) there is no distinction or difference between man and woman, servant and master, poor and rich, great and small. Nevertheless, there does have to be some order among us, and Jesus Christ did not mean to eliminate it, as some flighty and scatterbrained dreamers [believe].”
John Calvin (Sermon on 1 Corinthians 11:2-3)
3.) You use the term “grace is bounded by blood.” Kinists, believing covenant theology, might indeed believe that. We do believe that because of God’s grace, God’s favor runs in familial lines. However, I suspect you mean by that phrase that “grace is negated by blood,” which all Kinists reject. If God could save the sons of Japheth, despite their current high handed rebellion against His Word (as seen in what your writing) then God can save any people group. God can even save Stivasons.
4.) Again, you have violated with unwholesome speech the 9th commandment by what you have written. Please repent.
