Author: jetbrane

I am a Pastor of a small Church in Mid-Michigan who delights in my family, my congregation and my calling. I am postmillennial in my eschatology. Paedo-Calvinist Covenantal in my Christianity Reformed in my Soteriology Presuppositional in my apologetics Familialist in my family theology Agrarian in my regional community social order belief Christianity creates culture and so Christendom in my national social order belief Mythic-Poetic / Grammatical Historical in my Hermeneutic Pre-modern, Medieval, & Feudal before Enlightenment, modernity, & postmodern Reconstructionist / Theonomic in my Worldview One part paleo-conservative / one part micro Libertarian in my politics Systematic and Biblical theology need one another but Systematics has pride of place Some of my favorite authors, Augustine, Turretin, Calvin, Tolkien, Chesterton, Nock, Tozer, Dabney, Bavinck, Wodehouse, Rushdoony, Bahnsen, Schaeffer, C. Van Til, H. Van Til, G. H. Clark, C. Dawson, H. Berman, R. Nash, C. G. Singer, R. Kipling, G. North, J. Edwards, S. Foote, F. Hayek, O. Guiness, J. Witte, M. Rothbard, Clyde Wilson, Mencken, Lasch, Postman, Gatto, T. Boston, Thomas Brooks, Terry Brooks, C. Hodge, J. Calhoun, Llyod-Jones, T. Sowell, A. McClaren, M. Muggeridge, C. F. H. Henry, F. Swarz, M. Henry, G. Marten, P. Schaff, T. S. Elliott, K. Van Hoozer, K. Gentry, etc. My passion is to write in such a way that the Lord Christ might be pleased. It is my hope that people will be challenged to reconsider what are considered the givens of the current culture. Your biggest help to me dear reader will be to often remind me that God is Sovereign and that all that is, is because it pleases him.

Gordon Interview with Wolfe – VIII

“By secularism I don’t mean some derogatory term. I mean that there is no public core religion. That’s what I mean for the most part.”

Dr. Stephen Wolfe 
Interview by Rev. Chris Gordon

The idea that we have ever lived under “Secularism,” as defined as living without a public core religion, is a myth of massive proportions.

What people call “Secularism” in the West was instead that space of time where we were in transition moving from an overt Christian society/culture informed by the Christian religion to an overt Humanist society/culture informed by the Humanist religion.

These last 80 years, or so, have been kind of a twilight religious existence where Christianity has been descending in the West and Humanism has been ascending. The non-epistemologically self-conscious people that have lived in this twilight of transition have mistaken this transition as being a thing called “Secularism.” Nothing could be further from the truth since culture is always animated by one religion or another. Indeed, if there were no religion as the animating factor in culture there would be no culture.

Gordon Interview Of Wolfe – VII

“The whole paradigm of the new covenant seems put us in that Babylonic exile state until we reach the new heavens and the new earth.”

Rev. Chris Gordon
Interview w/ Dr. Wolfe
Time Stamp 34:45f

Yeah… I think this is horrid theology. This theology has lost the capacity to realize that with the advent of Christ the age to come has arrived and as such the Christian life is not described as one of being constantly in Babylonic exile though there are times when the exile motif is indeed experienced more acutely than other times.

The Scripture teaches that

3All of us also lived among them at one time, fulfilling the cravings of our flesh and indulging its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature children of wrath. 4But because of His great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy 5made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in our trespasses.

“The Scripture teaches that we have been translated from the Kingdom of Darkness to the Kingdom of God’s dear Son whom He loves.”

For Gordon and the R2K ilk their eschatology is all “not yet.” They have zero capacity to think of the nowness of the Kingdom. For Gordon and R2K the Christian life is all one of Babylonian exile. There is no sense that because of the redemption granted in Christ Christians can bring redemption to every area of life and so find God’s will done on earth as it is in heaven.

Gordon Interview of Wolfe – VI

Gordon uses God’s call of Abram to leave Ur of the Chaldees to go to a different land as proof that Christians are not supposed to be attached to place or people. Gordon insists that the land of Christians is the heavenly land and, by implication, that our people are not our own kith and kin but are instead fellow Christians. Gordon says “the whole paradigm of Scripture is moving us away from these earthly loyalties to heavenly loyalties.”

Doubtless this is why God said, “Honor thy Father and Mother.” Doubtless this is why God said “If a man does not provide for his own household he is worse than an infidel.” Doubtless this reasoning accounts for Paul’s throated expression of love for his earthly people in Romans 9:3.

It is these kind of statements of the R2K fanboys like Rev. Chris Gordon that finds me screaming, “GNOSTIC.” The Christian faith does not separate or divorce the heavenly from the earthly but finds the heavenly in the earthly. That which is earthly in the negative sense is earthly because it has been divorced from the meaning it has when it is injected with the heavenly. It is earthly because it is fallen and yet to be restored by grace. If grace restores nature then nature becomes what it was always intended to be, and that is due to grace.

As a Christian I don’t have to be all dualistic separating heaven from earth as if there is no relation between the two. As a Christian I know and live in terms of the reality that Christ has redeemed and so is redeeming all of nature and as such the dichotomy between heaven and earth is no longer a dichotomy.

Gordon Interview of Wolfe – V

“I just had a pickup. When my Dad died he handed me the title and gave me the truck. I sold it this week (hearty laughter by Gordon). It’s not my Dad, you know. I really didn’t feel any emotional tie to that. Maybe I’m just not a sentimentalist. That could be the issue.”
Rev. Chris Gordon
Interview w/ Dr. Wolfe

If Gordon’s Dad had bought the truck after Chris had left the home so that Chris had no kind of memories attached to that truck and his Father I could begin to understand this. However, if this truck of Gordon’s Father was a truck that Chris with his father went fishing or hunting or mudding or camping together then I would find this attitude on the edge of being “not right in the head.”

The truck abstracted from memories of his father would be comparatively easy to sell but the truck as filled with memories of activities together as Father and Son would find most normal people heart sick at having to sell the truck. Sentimentalism has nothing to do with it since the degree of sentimentalism rises and falls with what a person believes. A Gnostic, because of their Gnosticism would not blink over selling a memory filled pick up truck of one’s Father because of what they believe concerning the material realm being evil. A non-Gnostic might have troubles indeed.

Gordon Interview w/ Wolfe IV

I.) “I know you don’t identify yourself as a Kinist right?

Rev. Chris Gordon
To Dr. Wolfe

1.) Nobody defines what a kinist is. If you’re ever in a conversation and somebody asks you; “are you a Kinist?” your response needs to immediately be … “Well, you tell me what you mean by the word “Kinist.”

2.) Both Gordon and Wolfe are scared to death of the Ordo Amoris which is all that Kinism is.

3.) Nobody in America in 1965 would have blinked at being called a Kinist. That’s because 88.6% of the US population was white.

4.) The only reason Kinism is abominated is because of the full throated embrace of multiculturalism as combined with the hatred of being white.

On the widespread hatred of white folks see…

II.) “When we start dismissing the concept of blood and soil because we habitually want to go straight to Nazi’s killing Jews we;re losing a basic human truth that is actually good for us.”

Dr. Stephen Wolfe
Interview w/ Rev. Gordon
Time Stamp 21:06