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Mormon Evangelizing… Christian Response

Last week I discovered that the Mormons are now evangelizing over social media. Not knowing what was going down I friended a chap who I later found out friended me so he could evangelize me. Below is the conversation. I offer this as an example of how these haters of Christ should be dealt with.

Mormon Elder Hansen (Hereafter MEH)

Hey! Thanks for accepting my friend request! My name is Elder Hansen and I’m a missionary for the Church of Jesus Christ!🙂 With all the chaos and uncertainty in the world right now, I wanted to ask if there is anything I can do to help you? Is there anything I can pray for?

Rev. Bret McAtee (Hereater RBM)

Yes … you can pray that the Spirit of the Lord Christ might give you repentance so that you might escape the false religion you are currently in right now. As it stands right God hates you and intends to punish you without end.

MEH

Woah ok sorry to bother you

RBM

Not a bother at all. My love for your compels me to seek the best for your soul. You are in a cult and I’d like to see you come out of it.

MEH

I mean I appreciate it but what makes you think it’s a cult?

RBM

1.) Claims a new and improved Revelation that supersedes the Bible
2.) Denies the eternal divinity of Jesus Christ claiming that he was once a man like us.
3.) Claims that Jesus and Lucifer are Brothers.
4.) Denies the Holy Spirit is a person of the trinity opting instead to speak of him as a impersonal force.
5.) Just as God was once man so man can become God. (Eternal progression)
6.) Mormons deny the trinitarian character of the One God.
7.) Mormons believe in salvation by works. This is contrary to Christianity which teaches salvation by grace alone.
8.) Both Allah and Joseph Smith were sex predators who created a pseudo moralistic polygamy cult to supersede Christianity based on a false angel revelation producing a contradictory and idiotic book.

This will serve as a starter.

MEH

Ok I won’t lie to you I do believe in at least one of those things but isn’t a cult like a group that controls the members and won’t let them leave and stuff?

RBM

Have you ever tried to leave?

MEH

No but it would be very easy. People leave all the time.

RBM

Well… you will have to excuse me. I knew personally a couple who went through Hell trying to leave.

But that really is irrelevant. It is a cult because it teaches doctrines at variance with Biblical Christianity.

MEH

How do you know all those things you just numbered?

RBM

Dude … you cast out a hook with some bait on it.

I’ve got bad news for you. You now have Moby Dick and Jaws on the end of your line. Time to try and reel me in Son.

I’ve been over this territory countless times. Studied it. Am familiar with your Holy Books. Witnessed to your fellow cult Members. Taught series of lectures more than once on Mormonism and its heresy.

MEH

Wow sounds like hard work

RBM

It has been a labor of love out of love for God and hope for lost people like you and yours.

MEH

Idk man it sounds like you’re just justifying taking your anger out on other people who believe differently than you

Where you once a member? Sorry only asking because there is also a man from the Book of Mormon with your name.

RBM

People who believe differently from what the Scripture teaches need to be rebuked. We see that in Scripture all the time. Paul even rebuked Peter because Peter was “in the wrong.” And Paul was likely angry when he did so. Paul rebuked Alexander the Copper-smith, Demas, John Mark, and likely others. There is nothing wrong with anger in the least. I am quite angry that you’re seeking to lead other people to hell.

I have never been a member of the Mormon synagogue of Satan … but I am someone who had to know Mormonism in order to make sure people I was responsible for didn’t get caught up in that monstrous and ugly lie.

Please repent son.

MEH

When you say “know Mormonism” do you mean read the Book of Mormon?

RBM

Book of Mormon and the Pearl of Great Price.

MEH

The whole thing?

RBM

Yes, as well as the Bible several times.

MEH

Wow that’s actually impressive

I haven’t read all of the bible so I respect that

RBM

And in comparing the Mormon works with the Bible the Mormon works are obviously worthy of only the Garbage can like the Koran and the bhagavad gita.
I implore you, for the sake of your own soul, come out from Mormonism before it is too late and you can never get out because your mind has become so bent.
I know your training teaches you to find common ground with me, and to keep the conversation going so as to make a friendship but I am telling you that will not work with me. I am going to keep insisting that you are in mortal danger from a justly wrathful God and only be repenting will you be safe.

MEH

Well you got me there haha I was going to try and find some common ground

Do you live in Charlotte?

RBM

Thereabouts

MEH

Well I’m not trying to force you into anything but would you willing to meet up sometime and talk about what you and I believe? I know there are a LOT of differences and I’m sure there is nothing I can do to change your mind but I’d like to know more about what you LOVE about the gospel and not what you hate about my church. I’m certain you are a nice guy even though you keep bashing me so I want to learn from you.

RBM

I know your techniques and I know this is just one of them to try and continue to lure me into the web. I’m not interested in seeking common ground with you. Even if we meet all I am going to repeatedly tell you is that God is justly wrathful towards you and you have no hope except of repenting of your Mormonism and trusting Christ alone as your savior. Your good works of evangelizing, abstaining from Caffeine, getting married in the Temple, etc. will only be weights that damn you even more. You must trust Christ as the eternal son of God who was never man, per your wicked Mormon religion, and learn of Him.

1729 Adopting Act

“Early in American Presbyterian history, the conception of church and state relations began to change, but the basic contours of the spirituality of the church remained and were reinforced. With the Adopting Act of 1729, the Presbyterian church allowed that chapters 20 and 23 of the Westminster Confession were no longer binding on ministers and that ministers need not receive “those articles in any such sense as to suppose the civil magistrate hath a controlling power over Synods with respect to the exercise of their ministerial authority.” In other words, any notion of an Established Church, let alone an Erastian one, was gone. It was still assumed that the church and state would be allies in Protestant America, but they were distinct bodies with different responsibilities pursued by different means.”

Kevin DeYoung
Gospel Coalition Article

Actually, this is not true. An established Church has always existed in every nation that has ever existed. An established church, officially established or not is an inescapable category. DeYoung doesn’t see beneath the surface here. The 1729 adopting act did NOT eliminate the possibility of an established Church. The 1729 adopting act instead disallowed that Christianity would be established church. The 1729 adopting act allowed the non-established Christian Churches to incrementally be displaced by the State Church of humanism which eventually became the defacto established church in America. The 1729 adopting act was and is a disaster and moved Presbyterianism in an Anabaptist direction.

By adopting the 1729 adopting act Presbyterians scorned their Fathers and created a situation where a pluralism was required. This meant that some form of polytheism was the Church that was adopted. The ironic thing here is that by adopting pluralism they at the same time adopted a monotheistic pluralism inasmuch as no other God or religion would be allowed the status that pluralism and polytheism was given. The 1729 adopting act required that the Christian church would not be established and so required that pluralism and polytheism be established. Establishment is inescapable.

As a result the small church I serve stands across the street from the Established state Church; the Government High school. That established church receives public taxes as established churches used to receive. That established church is required to catechize the children in the State religion (state sanctioned curriculum). That established church has its own clergy (teachers) paid by the State. That established church has its own creeds and confessions. I have to compete with the established religion. The 1729 adopting act led to all this being accepted.

What the 1729 adopting act did was to shield from Ministers and Christians the fact that established Churches are an inescapable concept. The Act could work because the colonies remained subjectively speaking, largely Christian, but the adopting Act today has reinforced the religious pluralization of what remains of our country.

Christianity is not a Democracy and the 1729 Adopting Act democratized the Christian faith. This was a mistake.

Cassidy or Scripture?




“In nearly forty years of ministry, I have yet to meet a single convert who was brought to Christ through the anger of a Christian. Never. Millions, however, may be won by love.”

Rev. David P. Cassidy

Matthew 3:7 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. 9 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Titus 1:13 Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith 

Jude 23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

I don’t know Rev. Cassidy from Adam. Someone pointed this quote out to me in a twitter thread. However, from this one quote I do know he likely shouldn’t have been in the ministry for forty years. I also know that he likely has never ever met one convert if he believes this is true. Anger and love are not mutually exclusive. If converts have never known the anger of God through the proclamation of the anger of the Christian declaring the Gospel then one has never known the love of God. The only way to proclaim the Gospel of love is by first proclaiming the Gospel of anger. (We call it “Law and Gospel.”)

Read those Scriptural quotes above… does John the Baptist read like he is not angry? Does Jude read like he is not angry? Does St. Paul look like he is not angry?

As I said above already anger and love are not mutually exclusive when presenting the Gospel in the one doing the presenting. In Acts 17:16 we learn that Paul was deeply provoked by the idols he found in Athens and thus began to “reason with” the men of Athens. The Greek word for “deeply provoked” (παρωξύνετο)  there means “to arouse anger, provoke, irritate.”

And lets not even talk about the kind of “love” that Rev. Cassidy mentions. Anymore that kind of love is the love of a whore.

Cassidy provides just one more example of why I can’t stomach, generally speaking, American clergy any longer. If you love your souls you will not listen to America’s clergy. They have to be the stupidest things on two legs these days. And if it means that the price of not listening to them is not listening to me I will gladly pay it, if you will only quit taking seriously anything these people say.

Yes … exceptions across the country exist. There is a reason though why they are called “exceptions.”

Louis Phillippe d’Orleans … Lizard People Then and Now

I have written here before about “Lizard People.” It is just my short hand way of referencing people who are not like most humans. They are people who seemingly have no soul, experience no guilt, shame, or remorse, and who view other people the way they might view insects or slugs. Certainly the Lizard People are driven by narcissism but there is more than just narcissism here. They are also psychopaths and the very worse of them are this way because of their religious beliefs.

In my reading I came across one of the Lizard People from the 18th century. Meet the Duc d’Orleans. Phillippe d’Orleans was one of the wealthiest men in France and was the cousin of King Louis XVI. d’Orleans was one of the guiding actors behind the dethronement and beheading of his cousin and his cousin’s wife, the Queen.

d’Orleans also had a sister-in-law whom he hated named the Princesse d’ Lambelle, who was one of Queen Marie Antoinette’s ladies. d’Orleans hated d’Lambelle because she had rebuked him for his role in the “March of Versailles” — an earlier attempt to murder the crown family. Rumors also swirled that d’Orleans would financially gain the d’Lambelle’s dowry if she would die.

d’Orleans thus paid assassins in the mob to murder d’Lambelle and then gave it the color of law by having her condemned to death for not taking an oath to hate the recently seized King and Queen.

However, we are still not in Lizard People territory yet. Where d’Orleans is seen as a Lizard came in an incident following the murder and decapitation of d’Lambelle. Upon the deed being done and after the mob had taken the decapitated and piked head of d’Lambelle to a salon to get her hair right again the mob marched the piked head before the veranda of the Duc d’Orleans.

Here we allow Nesta Webster to describe the Lizard Person quality of Phillippe d’Orleans.

“The Duc d’Orleans was just sitting down to dinner with his
mistress, Madame Buffon, and several Englishmen, when the
savage howls of triumph that heralded this arrival (of the piked head of d’Lambelle) attracted his attention. Walking to the window he looked out calmly on scene, contemplated with a perfectly unmoved countenance the dead, white face, the fair curls fluttering round the pike-head. The Duke of Orléans reportedly commented ‘Oh, it is Lamballe’s head: I know it by the long hair. Let us sit down to supper’,”

This is Lizard People status. No conscience. No remorse. No guilt. No shame.

It is just these same kind of elites that we are dealing with today. Like the Duc d’Orleans they have no souls. They perpetuate the basest of cruelties upon others and without blinking they sit down to enjoy their meals. You must realize that these are the kinds of people we are dealing with when we deal with the Corporatists, the Politicians at high levels, the Silicon Valley Billionaires, and the K-Street and Wall Street movers and shakers. You can not expect these people to be like you. They are not. They are Lizard People. They don’t have your manners, your morals, or your reservations. They are not like you. That is who we are dealing with as those behind the on the street Revolutionaries.

Do you really think people like Hillary Clinton, Bill and Melinda Gates, Barack Obama, Anthony Fauci, George Soros, Mark Zuckerberg, Ben Sasse, Larry Ellison, etc. are any different than the duc d’Orleans? These people have always existed and our challenge is to realize that there exists a whole class of soul-less people at war with “legacy Americans,” and in realizing that give them no quarter when the time comes.

Postscript — Philippe d’Orleans was one of those rare cases where one of the Lizard people met with poetic justice. Usually these people die at 95 in their beds screaming because they know that their deeds are finally going to catch up with them. Not so, d’Orleans. At 46 years of age d’Orleans visited the Parisian guillotine on 6 November, 1793 for crimes which no evidence was ever provided.

Be sure your sins will find you out.