The Sword & Conversion … Long Live Charlamagne & Hernán Cortés

“We don’t want anybody to convert at the point of a spear or the edge of a sword.”

Doug Wilson
Interview w/ Chrissy Gordon

1.) It is not possible to convert anybody at the point of a spear or the edge of a sword.

2.) It is however possible to convert people to cultural Christianity at the point of a spear or the edge of a sword and has been done many times in history. Charlamagne, for example, converted the Saxons that way. Over the course of time subsequent to this forced conversion to cultural Christianity many Saxons were genuinely converted to a genuine Christian faith. This kind of “conversion” should be pursued in a setting where Christianity is being challenged by false gods in a cultural setting.

The Aztecs likewise were “converted” in this matter by Hernán Cortés. It would not have been a felicitous virtue to practice sensitivity to Aztec feelings to allow Aztec culture to continue. Forced conversion to an outward cultural expression of Christianity was a positive good and God was pleased with those types of conversions to cultural Christianity.

God would be pleased today if, for example, Abortionists, Sodomites and Trannies were forced to convert to a cultural Christianity that they hate. God would be please today if, for example, the producers of kiddie porn and those who sex traffic children and women were forced to convert to cultural Christianity even it that was done at the point of a spear or the edge of a sword. God was pleased when the Donatists were forced back into the church.

There is nothing ignoble or un-Christian in the least in this historical practice.

3.) God is pleased with ruling in the midst of His enemies. God is pleased when the wicked are forced to bow the knee. God is pleased when the wicked are forced, even as despising, to practice an outward form of righteousness that they do not agree with internally.

4.) We are at the point in the West where one religion or another is going to achieve final hegemony. Whichever religion which will win out will be a religion that eventually forces the other side to convert to their religion either at the point of the spear or the edge of the sword. So, the question is only whether or not we will be holding the spear and forcing the outward conversions to a admittedly cultural Christianity or whether we, as Christians, will on the wrong side of the spear and sword having to choose between our own outward conversion to a false religion or death. Christians will either use force or they will have force used against them.

There is nothing unrighteous in following the example of Charlemagne or Hernán Cortés or the little council in Geneva in their decision regarding Severtus for that matter.

Rev. Chris Gordon Advises Christians That The Public Square Does Not Belong To Christ

“Your premise here is that the public square is ours to take back. Prove that. I don’t see how the public square is ours to take back for our purposes in light of Belgic 13 (on God’s Providence).”

Rev. Chris Gordon
Interview w/ Wilson & Gordon
48:00f time stamp

1.) So Gordon’s premise here is that the public square belongs to another god and the people of another god and so God’s people shouldn’t be concerned since the public square does not belong to Christ?

2.) Gordon’s required proof is found in Psalm 2.

3.) Belgic 13 is on God’s providence and really has absolutely zero to do with whether we should or should not take back the public square. Whether or not Christians should or should not take the back the public square is answered by the fact that the public square is Christ’s public square.

4.) Keep in mind that Gordon’s counsel here is counsel of surrender to the false gods who will arrange the public square in their image if Christ is not publicly acknowledged once again as King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

Rev. Chris Gordon Mangles God’s Decree & Providence In Discussion With Wilson/Longshore

For God’s power and goodness are so great and beyond understanding that He ordains and executes His work in the most excellent and just manner, even when devils and wicked men act unjustly. For His power and goodness are so great and beyond understanding that He ordains and executes His work in the most excellent and just manner, even when devils and wicked men act unjustly. And as to His actions surpassing human understanding, we will not curiously inquire farther than our capacity allows us.

Belgic Confession of Faith
Article 13
The Providence of God

“You might say we are in this particular time of judgment. Certainly the spirit of anti-Christ has risen up…. but notice this it says that God’s power and goodness are so great and beyond understanding that He ordains and executes His work in the most excellent and just manner, even when devils and wicked men act unjustly. You might say that the time we are in has waxed this way. We are in this period of judgment. Certainly, the Spirit of Anti-Christ has risen up but notice this it says that;

“For His power and goodness are so great and beyond understanding that He ordains and executes His work in the most excellent and just manner, even when devils and wicked men act unjustly. And as to His actions surpassing human understanding, we will not curiously inquire farther than our capacity allows us.”

This whole effort of Christian Nationalism seems to say, ‘things aren’t going well for us. We have to do everything that we can to put the halts on the secular religionists. How are we not trying to pry into the just judgments of God and His providence and even His decrees to try and stop something that God has ordained and will use  Romans 8 for the good of those – His elect.'”

Rev. Chris Gordon
Interview w/ Doug Wilson & Jared Longshore
Time Stamp 44:15f

1.) This assumes that we aren’t supposed to do everything we can to put the halts on the secular religionists. How does Chrissy know that God’s providence and decree don’t include doing everything we can to put the halts on the secular religionists. What Gordon does here is he turns God’s providence and decree into a Greek kind of fate. That is not the definition of providence of God’s decree.

2.) How is Gordon himself here not trying to pry into God’s providence and even His decrees to not try and stop something that God has ordained and will use Romans 8 for the good of those – His elect, if stopped? Does Gordon know what God’s decrees are? Does Gordon know what God’s providence intends before it is complete?

3.) If God has ordained for X, Y, or Z to happen does Gordon suppose that it would be possible for us to stop or not stop what God has ordained? Gordon speaks like it might be possible for us to overturn and alter what God has ordained and intends to work in His providence.

4.) With this line of argumentation (so-called) Gordon seeks to crawl into God’s file cabinet and presumes to know what God has and has not decreed and from that inside knowledge of God’s mind is lecturing Wilson and Longshore on the evils of trying to do everything we can to put the halts on secular religionists. Is Gordon fighting against God’s design here?

Musings On Political Secularism

Political secularism, if by secularism one means that there is an absence of God(s) that is/are driving the actions of governmental business is an impossibility. No man or magistrate engages reality apart from a commitment to some God, gods, or god concept. Everything the political powers do is done with the tip of the cap (whether consciously or unconsciously) to some god(s) of some copybook heading.

Because this is so, the Biblical Christian advocates and champions the crown rights of King Jesus to rule explicitly over the political affairs of men. Of course, even if wicked magistrates are ruling, they are ruling by God’s divine decree but that fact doesn’t change the reality that wicked magistrates must be called on to rule according to the precepts of Jesus Christ found in His Word.

The doctrine of common grace, if it is held, does not change any of this. One can believe that in common grace God can do relative good through wicked magistrates and still believe that wicked magistrates are required to Kiss the Son lest God be angry and the wicked magistrate perishes in the way.

Secularism, as it is currently embraced, which is a form of pluralism, which in turn is an expression of polytheism, is not a political arrangement that any Biblical Christian can be comfortable with without being disobedient to the crown rights of King Jesus.

There is an implication here that people are not going to like. If we, as Christians are not to embrace secularism as what pleases the God of the Bible then we are not allowed to vote for candidates who will continue the secular arrangement wherein God is not pleased. We can hardly, consistently, oppose secularism and keep pulling levers for people who will continue on with secularism.

R2K’s Immanentizing of the Eschaton

The R2K fanboys love to accuse theonomists, postmillennialists and Kuyperians of trying to bring in the Kingdom of God by their own efforts. In point of fact this is projection on the R2K lads part because it is they who, by their dualisms seeking to bring in the Kingdom of God on earth. This is so because the R2K chaps desire to relativize people and place in pursuit of immanentizing the eschaton. R2K insists that the Kingdom of God serves as the blood and soil for all Christians and as such there is no need to embrace our blut und boden. In the very act of doing this they are seeking to help along the coming of the Kingdom. The very thing they accuse the theonomists, postmillennialists and Kuyperians of.

R2K accuses their opponents of holding a position where grace swallows nature but in reality it is R2K, in its insistence that place and people are realized in the “Spiritual Kingdom of God” – to such a degree that blood and soil disappear in grace – who are the ones who are guilty of holding a position where grace swallows up nature. This is ironic because R2K insists that their position honors the grace realm but the minute R2K goes the next step, as Rev. Chris Gordon did in his interview with Dr. Stephen Wolfe, and says now that we are all Christians we can intermarry grace is swallowing up nature. At this point their dualisms slingshots into a grace monism where grace and nature are indistinguishable and that all in the name of Christ.

R2K would do well to listen to John Calvin here;

“Regarding our eternal salvation, it is true that one must not distinguish between man and woman, or between king and a shepherd, or between a German and a Frenchman. Regarding policy, however, we have what St. Paul declares here; for our, Lord Jesus Christ did not come to mix up nature, or to abolish what belongs to the preservation of decency and peace among us….Regarding the kingdom of God (which is spiritual) there is no distinction or difference between man and woman, servant and master, poor and rich, great and small. Nevertheless, there does have to be some order among us, and Jesus Christ did not mean to eliminate it, as some flighty and scatterbrained dreamers [believe].”

John Calvin (Sermon on 1 Corinthians 11:2-3)

R2K does mix up nature by insisting that grace destroys nature so much that Christians should routinely practice inter-racial marriage. R2K is championed by those who Calvin rightly described as “flighty and scatterbrained dreamers.”

Thanks to Chrissy Gordon I see that there is definite linkage between R2K and Alienism. Because R2K can’t use the word “Christian” adjectivally (as in Christian Nation) combined with R2K’s commitment that Galatians 3 and Ephesians 2 proves that all racial/ethnic markers are obliterated by the Gospel, R2K is really part of the Cultural Marxist project. One might say, given Chrissy’s explanation of R2K in his interview with Wolfe, that R2K is the egalitarianism weaponized as Christian theology.

This means anyone who opposes Alienism must oppose R2K.

What Chrissy has taught me is that as neither religion nor ethnicity can be used to define a nation. A nation thus seems to be reduced to a gathering of people who dwell in a shared advantageous economic zone. These people might and might not share a common language and history but the tie that really binds is a shared investment in a hybrid Marxism & Gnosticism.