The phrase is “over the falls,” as in, “that person is beyond redemption – they are over the falls.” It communicates that someone is beyond hope. I use this phrase often. I think the Federal Government is over the falls. I think Government schools are over the falls. I think Seminaries in the US are over the falls. I think R2K is over the falls. I think that Evangelicalism and Reformedom is over the falls.
One example of the latter is the MAPARC (Marxist American and Reformed Churches) – formerly known as NAPARC (North American Presbyterian and Reformed churches). The MAPARC churches have repeatedly demonstrated that they are of their father the devil with their ongoing witch hunt to go after clergy (and soon to be Ruling Elders) who hold to the same convictions that their North American Presbyterian and Reformed Church fathers held.
We have to extend this jeremiad to the CREC as well. Just a couple days of go I was shown a clip of a CREC Church service and sermon in Hell, Michigan (apropos) wherein the Pastor said (paraphrasing here); “If you are in this congregation and you are hiding your Kinism, I invite you this morning to practice your athletic skills and sprint to the door and don’t come back.”
It has gotten to the point that folks, that if you’re financially supporting a NAPARC or CREC church that is financially supporting their denomination you are financially supporting the work of Hell. God’s people must come out of these Marxist egalitarian nests. These congregations and denominations are anti-Christ.
Find here the latest NAPARC abomination. The Allegheny Presbytery of the RPCNA threatens to sue Sam Ketcham. Do keep in mind that scripture forbids Christians taking one another to “secular” courts. Of course, the RPCNA’s response to that objection would be to say … “We excommunicated Ketcham. He’s not a Christian.”
So… my most recent evidence is Rev. Ketcham’s reporting that NAPARC has sent him a letter threatening to sue him;
“My former presbytery has threatened to sue me for $150,000 if I show you the recording of the trial at which they excommunicated me.
Why are they so afraid the public might see this trial recording? Because evil is done in darkness. Truth is done in the open—John 3:19-21. (It is a very good audio/video recording btw).”
This is just the most recent proof that NAPARC is over the falls. Folks, it is time to pull out of these denominations. It is time to start new works, mindful of how badly denominations have worked for the last 100 years or so. All of this will not change until the NAPARC and CREC denominations are hit in the pocketbook. They are not going change by reasoned argument. They are not going to change by producing 1000s of pages of church history. Most importantly, they are not going to change by Scriptural arguments. Why?
Because they are over the falls.
Look, I’ve said this before on Iron Ink, but I will say it again here. What the argument between Athanasius and Arius on the Deity of Christ was in the third century … what the argument was between Luther and Cajetan on the issue of Justification by faith alone in the 16th century is today what the current argument is between the Marxist egalitarian Reformed and the Biblical Reformed. It’s that important. If the church follows the Marxist voices the visible church will become an institutional and established anti-Christ church. NAPARC and the CREC will become in the US what the The Three-Self Patriotic Movement is currently in China – a mere organ of the State and/or a egalitarian cult that has more in common with Mephistopheles than it does with Jesus Christ.
Abandon ye all hope who enter into a NAPARC or CREC church.
I’m in a PCA. I asked the question of a prof that I asked you, about speculation on the reasons we don’t pray about the forces of evil controlling the public schools instead of the annual polite prayer for wisdom. He asked why. I didn’t go with the obvious LGBT because I had been thinking about a local district having Tuesday off for the Chinese New Year and said that. I was accused of blasphemy and making it hard to share the gospel because of such a ridiculous statement. I mentioned it’s a day off because of the Marxist angle and it’s the fight we have. More anger, as he informed me the celebration pre-dates the communist party. I said it does but that’s not what people think. Turns out, my opinion isn’t valuable because I haven’t read books on politics and I can be labeled a theocrat, which means, my argument can be blown off apparently. Also, it seems more people will come to Christ if America disappeared and was replaced with mosques and hindu temples versus localities being allowed to outlaw mosques and Hindu temples. However, I did finally get to understand his view, which was that the NT never discusses law or government, only prayers for wisdom for leaders, and therefore he doesn’t want to go beyond that. No laws by Christians. So he observes the Sabbath, but doesn’t want any laws about it, abhors the thought of a Blue law. He agrees the LGBT of the schools is evil, but we should maintain our winsome witness by not talking about that and raising straight kids because no laws. It’s the faultline of the OP, or that’s how I see it. He’s anti-Marxist, but views an open gate to them as more biblically justified than laws that stop or slow them down.
Hello Kurt,
Your Prof idiot friend is ignoring Romans 13
3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
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Notice the mentioning here of right and wrong. Right and wrong can only be determined by God’s Law-Word. What is implied in Romans is that the Magistrate is ruling in keeping with God’s Word. That is the only way “right” and “wrong” can be determined. So, if the magistrate ends up being God’s servant (diakonos) to do you harm when you are doing good then clearly that Magistrate is NOT God’s servant and so is not owed obedience. If you do good, and still have reason to be afraid of the Magistrate then the magistrate is not God’s magistrate.
Besides that … you should tell your prof that your Bible includes the OT and is not restricted to the NT. NT Christians is supposed to be a Baptist phenomenon.
In short your Prof friend, like most of the leadership of your church, are just dumb.
Call me superstitious if you want, but I have always felt instinctive reluctance to call my fellow Christians “stupid” or “idiots”, etc., taking Christ’s words in Matthew 5:22 seriously. If they seem anything like true believers, I would not want to use proudly belittling language about the “weaker brethren.”
I prefer using such expressions like “misled,” “willfully ignorant”, and perhaps “talking like a foolish worldling.”
Maybe “Whitewashed sepulchers full of dead men’s bones?”
Or
“They are of their Father, the Devil. He was a murderer from the beginning.”
Or
“I wish you fellow Christians would go all the way and emasculate yourselves.”
Surely those are epithets that you would find acceptable?
I think we are straining gnats here.
But …. I won’t be offended in the least if you describe them as “misled,” “willfully ignorant”, and perhaps “talking like a foolish worldling.”
Well, if you are willing talk about them in such a manner, you clearly do not consider them fellow believers, which is what my position presupposed.
It is true … I don’t consider these people fellow believers.
And in their excommunication of Sam Ketchum for beliefs on Kinism that are the same as mine, they clearly do not believe I am in Christ.
V-
Words matter. Fruit of labor, observed, matters more. I know many espousing Jesus’ name whose lives, and deeds, are far from Him.
A folding of hands and polite words are luxuries we can’t afford. The enemy is inside the Church.