The Well-Intentioned Offer vs. God Commands All Men Everywhere to Repent

Max writes,

The gospel offer is not grounded in Christ dying for each person individually. Scripture grounds the offer in God’s command and God’s promise.

God commands all people everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30). And He promises that whoever comes to Christ will be saved (John 6:37). That universal command and universal promise is the universal offer.

Bret responds,

Clearly Max you don’t understand the difference between a command and an offer. That God commands all men everywhere to repent is not the same as saying “God offers all men everywhere salvation.” The former is a true statement. The latter is not a true statement. God does NOT offer the reprobate salvation.

Max writes,

The offer is not: “Believe and then Christ will die for you.”
And it’s not: “Christ died for you in particular, therefore believe.”

Bret responds,

That’s correct, but only because the Gospel does not come with any offer at all.

Max writes,

The offer is: “Come to Christ, and you will find a real, finished, all‑sufficient atonement that actually saves everyone who comes.”

Bret responds,

That is not an offer. An offer says, “Christ offers to you salvation if you will have it.” What you have above Max is a tautology. Of course, people who come to Christ find a real, finished, all‑sufficient atonement that actually saves because the only people who come to Christ come because of a real, finished, all‑sufficient atonement actually saved.

Max writes,

Christ’s death is of infinite worth — fully sufficient to save every sinner on earth. The question of for whom He intended His death is a different category from the question of to whom God commands and promises salvation. Scripture keeps those categories distinct, and I’m trying to honor that distinction.

Bret

Logic also keeps the idea of “offer” distinct from the idea of “command.” You keep saying offer and then you explain “offer” as if it means “command.”

Christ commands all men everywhere to repent but He could not possibly give a well-intentioned offer to all men everywhere to repent since that would involve Him in the contradiction that He dies only for the elect, but He offers His salvation to those who were never elect and for whom He did not die for (i.e. – The reprobate).

Max writes

So the offer isn’t an empty box. The gift is Christ Himself — a real Savior with a real atonement that actually saves all who come to Him.

Bret responds

The offer is an empty box for the reprobate because there is no way it can be well-intentioned.

You don’t actually believe that man’s coming to Christ is the trigger event that effectuates Christ’s death for them do you Max?

Maybe instead it is the case that people come to Christ because they were saved at and in the Cross? Maybe that’s the reason why they hear the command (not offer) to repent and have faith?

Correcting Wesley Huff

Apparently, Wesley Huff is currently all the rage among apologists today. I first heard of him today. He was being interviewed by a chap named “Bartlett.” Below you will see an exchanged between Bartlett and Huff. It is my opinion that Huff’s answer was inadequate to the question.

Huff is reportedly Reformed Baptist. However, I am inclined to think he is some form of evidentialist in his apologetics.

HC91. What are good works?

Those only which proceed from true faith, and are done according to the law of God, unto His glory, and not such as rest on our own opinion or the commandments of men.

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Bartlett to Huff: So if I don’t believe in Jesus, I don’t believe in the Bible, but I live a “good” life – I’m nice to people, I’m charitable, I’m trying to be kind wherever I can be – and I don’t believe in God am I going to hell or heaven as it relates to the scriptures?

Huff: Well, I don’t think if you’re living your life rejecting God, God is not going to force you into his presence.

Bret offers a better answer than Huff;

The problem here Mr. Bartlett is according to the Scripture “good” is defined as doing what we do for the glory of God. If you don’t believe in Jesus then while it may be the case that you do “comparative good,” you do not do “good” by God’s standard for “good.” The Bible teaches that “all our works are as filthy rags,” and this includes your being “nice,” “charitable,” and “kind.” God is not impressed with those behavioral traits because they fall short of the glory of God. To be honest, Mr. Bartlett, the behavior you describe as embraced by those who hate Christ are really just “splendid vices.”

Another problem here, Mr. Bartlett, is that you’re talking about being good, nice, charitable, and kind, but if you don’t believe in God how could you possibly be able to define what good, nice, charitable, and kind is? Without God, you’ve made yourself to be your own standard as to what constitutes virtuous behavior and that by itself will cast you into hell since making yourself your own standard is to make yourself out to be God. Now, why would God allow a false god into His heaven?

No, rebelling against God is rebelling against God and those who are comparatively virtuous as compared to others will be cast into hell along with those who were bad, mean, stingy, and hard-hearted.

The good news though Mr. Bartlett is that God will receive those who look to Jesus for forgiveness, repent of their attempt to be god and so their rebellion, and own God’s standard found in Scripture to be the norm that norms all norms.

Will you not trust Jesus Mr. Bartlett? That is His command to you.

From The Mailbag — Tearing Down The Simulation/Matrix

 Dear Pastor;

“How do we overthrow the system that is serving as our Simulation/Matrix.”

Hello Evan,

Thank you for the question.

The answer is manifold.

First, folks like Ben Mordecai have to realize that we are living in a Matrix. We will never overcome the Matrix (The Simulation) by thinking that working within the context of the Matrix — by the rules of the simulation — we will overcome the simulation. So, there is the work of awakening people to the fact that they really are living in a simulation/Matrix.

Second, we overthrow the the Simulation by doing all we can to unplug from it. Many people are doing that by prioritizing family life, by raising their children in the fear of the Lord and so not sending them to the Simulation Education boxes. If we cannot raise our children aware of the need, for the cause of Christ, to themselves see the Matrix for what it is there will be no overthrowing the Matrix/Simulation.

Unplugging means also building parallel but not isolated sub-cultures. People have talked about developing a currency that could be used on a local basis. (This is not my strength but I have read some of those floating this idea.) People have talked about building businesses that especially but not solely cater to the needs of a Christian community. By doing so, we could increasingly unplug from the Simulation/Matrix.

Unplugging also means understanding the doctrine of interposition. If, by God’s grace alone, our numbers become sufficient, at some point larger attacks on the Simulation/Matrix will have to be considered. Since, we will not have the support of Magistrates (who are now serving Baal) we will have to operate via the doctrine of interposition as headed by Clergy/Elder magistrates — if we can find any. Much like Elijah interposed himself against Ahab and His priests on Mt. Carmel, so at some point Christian Elders/Clergy will have to rise up to stand against the prophets of Baal as serving our current Ahabs.

Unplugging also means we have to start connecting the teaching of our Catechisms and Confessions with Worldview teaching. Being in the ministry almost 40 years now I have discovered that even people well catechized often end up being normies living in the Matrix/Simulation. In my estimation only a people thoroughly training in Christian Worldview training as combined with the teaching of the Confessions and Catechisms will ever get out of the Simulation/Matrix that we are now living in.

Unplugging also means (and people aren’t going to like this one) departing from the NAPARC/CREC/SBC churches. Certainly, there are some congregations in NAPARC that are healthy, but considered generally, NAPARC/CREC/SBC congregations are the problem. NAPARC/CREC/SBC churches, generally speaking (which is different than Universally speaking) are supporting the Simulation/Matrix system that needs to be torn down brick by brick. In attending and supporting these denominations we are working against the need to get out of the Matrix/Simulation. If we want to tear down the Simulation/Matrix we simply must quit supporting these derelict institutions with their derelict ministers. (Hey guys … if the shoe doesn’t fit don’t wear it.)

Unplugging means a return to God’s Law-Word as the standard by which we live, move and have our being. The Simulation/Matrix we are living in exists because God’s Law-Word (especially in its politicus usus) is being set aside for humanist Law-Word. We see this in postmodernism which teaches, at best, that law-words are community relative. We see this in Legal-Positivism which teaches the Rousseauian idea of the General Will in one form or another. We see this in Natural Law theory that posits that fallen man is not so fallen as to no longer have the ability to even want to live by God’s law. The Simulation/Matrix we are living in will not be torn down until there is a return to the foundation upon which real reality can be built.

We remember the words of Christ that some things only go out by prayer and fasting. I take this to mean that we have to understand that tearing down the Matrix/Simulation is first and foremost a spiritual endeavor and by that I mean we have to see that that which is animating the Simulation/Matrix is principalities and forces. Before unplugging can be successful we have to understand that the Simulation/Matrix is an expression of this present evil age as animated by the Prince of the power of the air. Because of this we must be instant in connecting the dots between the corporeal realities and the spiritual realities that animate them and then we must pray God that He might let us land just one Samson like blow (think Pillars and Philistines) in order to bring the whole Simulation/Matrix down on their heads.

Or we could just ignore all this like good little amillennialists and live in the Simulation/Matrix telling ourselves that this is the way God intends for it to be until He returns.

Editor Gregory Reynolds and Author Aaron Mize Join To Piss On Scripture

“In this light, the modern habit of translating these texts into the language of ‘leadership’ or ‘male authority’ is a reversion to the very power structures the gospel overturns.”

Rev. Aaron Mize
Ordained Servant Magazine
OPC

Note, the implicit declaration here that power structures are inherently evil. Power structures are overturned so that no power structures (supposedly) remain. Power is automatically evil. Patriarchy and hierarchy are automatically evil because they are power structures.

The dirty secret here is that power structures are an inescapable category. As such if, as Mize desires, we get rid of the power structures of patriarchy and hierarchy what fills the vacuum is matriarchy and egalitarianism as the new power structures. So, hierarchy doesn’t go away but is replaced by egalitarianism that serves as a mask for a rampant Matriarchy. If men do not rule (patriarchy) then women will rule (matriarchy). Somebody has to have the authority folks. If we are going to denounce patriarchy then all that is left to fill the void is matriarchy but as we can’t be obvious we will call it egalitarianism instead.

Next, if the Gospel overturns the power structures of hierarchy that Rev. Mize insists that it overturns then pray tell why all that language in the Westminster Larger Catechism (Q. 124-130) about the duties and sins of superiors, and inferiors? Mize’s own Confession, that he swore to uphold, teaches that hierarchy is Biblical and yet here is Mize insisting that Christ came to overturn these sinful power structures.

And what about the Editor, Gregory Reynolds, who let this bilge be printed? Greg Reynolds is older than I am, for Pete’s sake, and he let this get into the magazine he edits? As far as I am concerned Gregory Reynolds should be ash-canned for letting Mize’s garbage be printed.

Rev. Aaron Mize & His Gaia Worship

“Scripture never presents patriarchy as the created or redeemed norm. It is a feature of the fallen world Christ overturns, not a structure he institutes.”

Rev. Aaron Mize
Ordained Servant Article
OPC Denomination

1.) Not as the created norm? Is this why we are told that Eve was to be a “Helpmeet” to Adam? Is this why Adam was the one who gave Eve her name? (Naming was a sign of authority.) Is this why, after the fall, Eve is told that “Adam shall rule over you”? Is this why Sarah called Abraham “Lord?”

2.) Not as the redeemed norm? Is this why Paul tells Titus that women in the Church are to be submissive to their own husbands? Is this why Paul teaches that women are to be “silent in the church?”

3.) Note that what Mize is teaching here is that a woman who is fulfilling the Biblical and traditional role as wife, mother, and homekeeper, who is submitting to her husband as he love his wife is in sin because, as Mize writes, this kind of patriarchy and hierarchy is a feature of the fallen world Christ overturns. If a woman is living in a world Christ has overturned, as seen in her role as wife, mother, and homekeeper, what can she be living in except sin?

4.) Patriarchy … is not a structure that Christ institutes? Is this why Christ chose 12 male disciples? Is this why the Church chose 7 male deacons? Is this why all those who wrote every book of the Bible were men? Is this why all family heads in the OT were male? Is this why the Aaronic Priesthood was all male?

It beggars the imagination that any clergy in any putative Reformed church could write the sentence, “Patriarchy is a feature of the fallen world Christ overturns, not a structure he institutes.”